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I mostly stick to good ole' EW Hollywood Orchestra, despite the lack of articulation. I'm curious about the new iteration that is supposed to be revealed this fall (hopefully this month).

Is so ironic that Junkie XL brass sounds way more realistic than Junkie XL's real orchestral recordings.

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Giải mã giấc mơ thấy con rồng
 

Rồng là loài động vật không có thực, nó xuất phát từ thần thoại, truyền thuyết, tín ngưỡng của con người. Thế nhưng rất nhiều người từng mơ thấy rồng. Mơ thấy rồng là giấc mơ mang nhiều tầng lớp ý nghĩa. Kết quả XSMN hôm nay

 

Từ xưa đến nay, rồng vốn là loài vật được tôn thờ ở vị trí linh thiêng, được coi là linh vật, tượng trưng cho sức mạnh, sự cao quý. Ở thời phong kiến, rồng tượng trưng có hoàng quyền, chỉ vua chúa mới được phép mặc áo rồng hay còn gọi là long bào, đội mũ rồng. Rồng được điêu khắc trong hoàng cung, được thờ cúng trong đình chùa, miếu mạo.

 

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Giải mã giấc mơ thấy con rồng

 

 

Ngày nay, dù rồng không còn được tôn thờ ở vị trí tối thượng như ngày trước, song lòi vật này vẫn được xem là loài vật linh thiêng, được thờ cúng tại nhiều chùa. Ở tầng lớp thượng lưu, những đại gia thường thích sưu tầm, sử dụng đồ dùng chạm khắc bằng rồng, bởi nó tượng trưng cho sự cao quý, sang trọng. Rồng còn được dùng để xua đuổi tà ma.

 

Chúng ta ai ai cũng biết đến rồng, thế nhưng con vật này thực chất chỉ xuất hiện trong truyền thuyết, chưa ai được tận mắt chứng kiến. Thế nhưng, nếu mơ thấy rồng thì chắc chắn đó là một giấc mơ mang đến cho người mơ điềm báo tương lai rất sát thực.

 

Nếu bạn ngủ mơ thấy một con rồng vàng bay vút lên trời thì đây là giấc mơ mang điềm báo thăng quan tiến chức. Con đường công danh của bạn cũng thênh thang rộng mở. Tuy nhiên, thường nói đứng nơi cao sẽ chịu lạnh, vì vậy, dù găt hái được thành tựu vẻ vang đến cỡ nào thì bạn vẫn luôn nhắc nhở bản thân đừng để ánh hào quang che lấp mất tầm nhìn và độ phán xét của mình. Xổ số miền nam hôm nay nhanh nhất

 

Ngủ mơ thấy rồng trắng hay còn gọi là bạch long, mơ thấy rồng xanh (thanh long) là giấc mơ mang điềm báo an lành. Thời gian tới dù có gặp dữ thì mọi chuyện cũng đều hóa lành. Mọi rắc rối đến với bạn được giải quyết một cách êm thấm và bạn sẽ tránh được tai họa ngập đầu.

 

Mơ thấy rồng đỏ như lửa thì đây là giấc mơ mang điềm báo thành công vang dội trong tương lai. Tuy nhiên, thành công nào chẳng có mồ hôi và nước mắt? Để có được thành công đó bạn phải cố gắng, nỗ lực hơn nữa. Trên mỗi bước đường bạn đi đều có quý nhân phù trợ, giúp đỡ và phù hộ bình an.

 

Mơ thấy rồng chắn ngang cửa nhà bạn hoặc bay trước cửa nhà bạn là điềm báo gia đình phú quý, bình an. Rất có thể thời gian tới gia đình sẽ xuất hiện tin vui, tin vui này sẽ làm cuộc sống mỗi thành viên trong gia đình bạn có thêm một nguồn năng lượng sống mới.

 

Mơ thấy rồng bay từ trong nhà bay ra là giấc mơ mang điềm báo tài lộc đến nhà. Không có gì là tự dưng cả, trên đời này muốn có thứ gì thì gần như chúng ta đều phải trả giá tương xứng. Thế nhưng tài lộc này đến với gia đình bạn một cách rất tự nhiên, tựa như có ai đó ban phát.

 

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Mơ thấy rồng bay từ trong nhà bay ra là giấc mơ mang điềm báo tài lộc

 

Mơ thấy mình cưỡi rồng tung bay trên trời là giấc mơ mang điềm báo thăng quan tiến chức, tiền tài vô lượng. Tương lai của bạn sẽ có nhiều thay đổi, kéo theo đó là hàng loạt những thay đổi trong gia đình. Nói một cách rõ ràng là sự thăng tiến của bạn định hướng, lôi kéo thêm sự thăng tiến của nhiều thành viên khác trong gia đình bạn.

 

Mơ thấy mình hóa thành rồng, giấc mơ này nghe có vẻ hoang đường nhưng cũng từng có một vài người mơ thấy. Theo các chuyên gia giải mã giấc mơ thì mơ thấy mình hóa thành rồng là giấc mơ đại cát, mang ý nghĩa sẽ nổi danh thiên hạ. Nói theo cách hiện đại thì bạn sẽ trở nên nổi tiếng, được nhiều người biết đến.

 

Mơ thấy rồng dưới nước là giấc mơ mang điềm báo bạn nên ẩn nhẫn, chờ đợi thời cơ để vươn lên. Một số ý kiến khác cho rằng mơ thấy rồng ẩn dưới nước là giấc mơ mang điềm báo có quý nhân phù trợ, mọi việc đều suôn sẻ thành công. Dù giải nghĩa theo hướng nào thì cũng đều mang đến cho người mơ điềm báo tốt lành.

 

Mơ thấy rồng nằm trên cạn là giấc mơ mang điềm báo không tốt lành. Có thể giải nghĩa giấc mơ như sau: Bạn là người có tài tỏng một lĩnh vực nào đó nhưng lại không có cơ hội thể hiện. Ít gặp may mắn. Còn mơ thấy rồng đánh nhau là giấc mơ cảnh báo bạn nên cẩn thận với đối thủ, tưởng nhỏ bé nhưng lại ngang tài ngang sức.

 

Mơ thấy mình giết rồng là giấc mơ mang điềm báo bạn sẽ gặp khó khăn, trắc trở, con đường công danh chông gai trùng trùng. Mơ thấy lột da rồng cẩn thận có người toan tính hãm hại sau lưng.

 

Con số may mắn khi mơ thấy rồng là: 10 – 50 – 90. Chúc bạn may mắn với giấc mơ thấy rồng!

 

Mời các bạn đón xem tường thuật trực tiếp kết quả XSMN hàng ngày tại đây: https://www.scoop.it/topic/xsmn-kqxsmn-sxmn-xsmnam-xo-so-mien-nam-nhanh-nhat-hom-nay

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I use lots of stuff. Some of my heavy hitters:

 

  • LA Scoring Strings
  • EWQL
  • Spitfire Symphony Orchestra
  • All of Samplemodeling's stuff, especially The Trumpet and The French Horn
  • TrueStrike

I also use Symphobia, Orchestral Brass Classic, Angry Brass...a bunch of stuff. I've never found a single library that made me go, "Yep, that's got everything I need!" And I doubt I ever will.

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22 hours ago, Datameister said:

I've never found a single library that made me go, "Yep, that's got everything I need!" And I doubt I ever will.

 

Same here. I am all over the place with my libraries. It depends on what kind of score I'm working on of course, but these days it's mainly these to start with:

  • EWQL
  • Kontakt Factory Library (Used to rely on this a lot more before I got EWQL)
  • Emotional Piano & The Giant
  • True Strike
  • Anthology Strings

And there's a couple of fun one off's that I go to when I need specific sounds like Embertone's Friedlander Violin, Damage, Evolve, Omnisphere, and tons of other small and specific third-party libraries like Vocal Planet and Virtual Drumline. I also make my own personal libraries from my collection of field recordings that I can play on keys in Kontakt.

 

Really want to look into LA Scoring Strings, Symphobia, and more from ProjectSam. 

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5 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

 

Same here. I am all over the place with my libraries. It depends on what kind of score I'm working on of course, but these days it's mainly these to start with:

  • EWQL
  • Kontakt Factory Library (Used to rely on this a lot more before I got EWQL)
  • Emotional Piano & The Giant
  • True Strike
  • Anthology Strings

And there's a couple of fun one off's that I go to when I need specific sounds like Embertone's Friedlander Violin, Damage, Evolve, Omnisphere, and tons of other small and specific third-party libraries like Vocal Planet and Virtual Drumline. I also make my own personal libraries from my collection of field recordings that I can play on keys in Kontakt.

 

Really want to look into LA Scoring Strings, Symphobia, and more from ProjectSam. 

 

LASS can handle some stuff pretty well. Its sound is a little reedy and dry for my tastes. I like layering it in top of Spitfire Symphonic Strings...LASS adds definition, while Spitfire smooths out the rough edges.

 

What Symphobia lacks in versatility it makes up for in usefulness in certain special cases. I do need to explore more of ProjectSAM's products.

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33 minutes ago, Datameister said:

 

LASS can handle some stuff pretty well. Its sound is a little reedy and dry for my tastes. I like layering it in top of Spitfire Symphonic Strings...LASS adds definition, while Spitfire smooths out the rough edges.

 

What Symphobia lacks in versatility it makes up for in usefulness in certain special cases. I do need to explore more of ProjectSAM's products.

 

Thanks for the tips! Yeah I have similar issues with Anthology Strings. I don't commonly use them on their own, but I like to layer them with strings from EWQL. They're great at filling out a string section and good for big sweeping moments.

 

I'm super impressed with ProjectSAM's libraries. I've got several on my list once I have the funds again.

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I recently got ProjectSAM's Swing! and Swing More! to update the Sam & Max Hit the Road soundtrack:
 

Besides those I'm using EWQL (both Symphonic Orchestra and Hollywood Orchestra), LASS (Lite 2 for now) and a few Vienna instruments (which I hardly use though). For anything that's missing I'm using free SF2s or VSTs. By the way, is there a good Soundfont VSTi where I can just load different SF2s to the different MIDI channels? Currently I'm using Phenome, but it appears to be ignoring note velocity, which seems to be a huge oversight.

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Acquired BBC Symphony Orchestra recently (to add to my Nucleus library that I bought before the holiday season) and then I got surprised by the recent update. Muted brass was the only thing I thought was missing from this library, and now I get to have even that. I don't even think the Spitfire Symphonic series has muted brass unless I'm mistaken. Still, with the Henson boys having gone back and fixed a lot of the issues people seemed to have with this library I think it's become a contender in the virtual instrument library game, perhaps even against having dedicateds.

 

Now I just need to fix up my computer to make it run better. Already have some RAM ordered to max out everything. I want to replace my HDD with an SSD, as well as add some extra SSDs to store more instruments onto. Why do my hobbies have to be so expensive?

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The Aaron Venture project looks interesting. They are recording all 4 sections of an orchestra and optimizing the samples to have a premium sound with as little RAM usage as possible (looking at you, Spitfire). It has a very classical sound. The brass and woodwinds are out. Strings are coming out this year. Hopefully they make a bundle once all the sections are out.

 

https://www.aaronventure.com/ 

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Oh wow, I had no idea about this (but then I don't visit the VI Control forum as much as I used to). Sounds nice.

 

And, I agree, Spitfire is an absolute fucker for that. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Drew said:

Cinematic Studio Woodwinds was recently released. It sounds pretty cool.

https://cinematicstudioseries.com/woodwinds/ 

 

I have it, and it is indeed very good.

 

It's not quite as versatile as Orchestral Tools' Berlin Woodwinds (the king), but all the instruments have a lovely tone. It has definitely filled a gap in my template.

 

And it obviously pairs well with their other libraries. I just need the brass one to complete the set.

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I used a lot of that library in this [unfinished] mock-up of one the early sequences in King Kong (2005) by James Newton Howard. Most of the strings are from CSS too (everything but the jazzy interlude).

 

Haven't finished it yet, more mixing to do, but thought I'd show you something of what it can do.

 

 

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@LSH

I loved your mock-up. It's been many years since I've composed anything and did midi mock-ups, so I've fallen behind the times.

If Orchestral Tools' Berlin Woodwinds is the king as you say, which would you say is the match in strings?

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6 hours ago, filmmusic said:

@LSH

I loved your mock-up. It's been many years since I've composed anything and did midi mock-ups, so I've fallen behind the times.

If Orchestral Tools' Berlin Woodwinds is the king as you say, which would you say is the match in strings?

I'm not who you asked, but I think that Cinematic Studio Strings is everyone's favored son right now. I'm going to acquire them myself in the near future, hopefully. Look up some videos on them if you haven't.

 

My perfect library (for my tastes) would consist of Cinematic Studio Strings, Cinebrass, and Berlin Woodwinds as for percussion, I'm not sure, but I also don't use percussion often, and if I do it's not at the forefront of my works.

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I feel weird about using different libraries for different sections. Part of the authenticity of mockups is to make sure that your orchestra sounds like one ensemble. All of these libraries are recorded in different rooms with different mics. I am betting hard on BBCSO to sound good as an ensemble.

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26 minutes ago, Drew said:

I feel weird about using different libraries for different sections. Part of the authenticity of mockups is to make sure that your orchestra sounds like one ensemble. All of these libraries are recorded in different rooms with different mics. I am betting hard on BBCSO to sound good as an ensemble.

 

In a perfect world, I'd agree, but I've never found a single company - let alone individual library - that completely covers all the bases. There are always gaps...certain articulations that don't quite work, certain notes that have a weird tone, certain types of passages that don't sound right, certain instruments that only sound good at certain dynamic levels, etc.

 

Granted, there are a number of libraries from the last few years I need to check out. But I do think there are times when it's more important to get exactly the right sound out of the instrument than it is to get exactly the right sound of the room...especially since I aim for somewhat dry instrument sounds and then bring them together in the same virtual space with Altiverb anyway.

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14 minutes ago, Datameister said:

I aim for somewhat dry instrument sounds and then bring them together in the same virtual space with Altiverb anyway.

 

This is exactly how I approach it. I have just found that I get better sounds from X String Library, but better solos from Y String Library, and I like the Brass from Z Library, but percussion from this other library. It is far more important to me that I am able to achieve the sound and tone that I hear in my head first and foremost, and then bring everything dry together at the end with some great convolution reverbs. I don't really care if it sounds like it 100% belongs in the same room or from the same ensemble if the notes are note played the way I want them to.

 

I don't know of anyone else personally that sticks to one group of libraries from one company.

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49 minutes ago, Drew said:

I feel weird about using different libraries for different sections. Part of the authenticity of mockups is to make sure that your orchestra sounds like one ensemble. All of these libraries are recorded in different rooms with different mics. I am betting hard on BBCSO to sound good as an ensemble.

BBCSO sounds great overall, especially the strings and woodwinds. If you're playing softer stuff, then you'll be fine. But BBCSO's brass is lacking if you rrally want to give a piece punch.

 

If you were trying to compose something like "Desert Chase" from Raiders then you're going to find the brass section lacking.

 

If you're just doing an all-in-one library, I'd choose Nucleus over BBCSO. It is dynamically solid. You can do loud and punchy or soft and nice. Until I get my tax money in to buy my new stuff I've been mixing the softer BBCSO and the punchier Nucleus, to what I think are fantastic results.

 

 

Curving off this discussion to reverb, what's your guys reverb of choice? I can't get good results in from the budget convolution verbs I have used. On the other hand, stuff like ValhallaVintageVerb and ValhallaRoom have been paying me dividends. I used to use Freeverb, which was a very good reverb for one that was free.

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@TheAvengerButton For algorithmic reverb, I've been digging LX480 from Relab lately. I've never had the opportunity to use a real Lexicon 480L, but it's supposed to be quite close. These days, my usual approach is to use Altiverb's Todd-AO IRs to put all the instruments into the same space, and then add a gentle LX480 tail on top for a bit of albumy sheen.

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I think BBCSO will still be a huge step up in terms of brass because I have been using a Garritan orchestra for many years now. Garritan's brass is awful and barely has any range.

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On 11/6/2020 at 10:59 PM, Manakin Skywalker said:

I mostly stick to good ole' EW Hollywood Orchestra, despite the lack of articulation. I'm curious about the new iteration that is supposed to be revealed this fall (hopefully this month).

 

March 2021 and Opus Edition still hasn't been released...

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Anyone found a good solution for fast string passages? In my experience, spiccato or staccato patches usually perform decently at high speeds, but legato tends to sound so keyboardy in fast passages. I know Spitfire has run builders, which seem really great for their intended use cases, but if you're trying to program a combination of notes that wasn't sampled, you're out of luck.

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Many string legatos are programmed to change based on how long the note is held. It also means that the attack is delayed a little. Agreed, it sounds awful in fast passages, idk why they won't think that through.

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1 hour ago, Drew said:

Many string legatos are programmed to change based on how long the note is held. It also means that the attack is delayed a little. Agreed, it sounds awful in fast passages, idk why they won't think that through.

 

If I were to take a guess...I'll bet it's a genuinely difficult problem to solve, and perhaps one whose solution is in somewhat lower demand? But I'd imagine it's mostly just a really difficult sound to emulate in a flexible and responsive way.

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OK, I've been listening to a lot of sample libraries lately and i've come to this:

cinematic studio strings, cineperc (for percussion) and berlin woodwinds.

What about brass?

WHat would you say is the best and most versatile library?

(for example loved the versatility of the measured trills, double-triple tongued etc. in berlin woodwinds which is adjusted per your host's tempo)

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I use Spitfire Symphonic Orchestra exlusively and like the brass in it a lot and it also mixes very well with the other AIR libraries but if you're not going the Spitfire route, maybe SSB isn't the way to go.

 

I have heard very good things about Berlin Brass and Junkie XL brass (same developer) so check those out as well!

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14 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

OK, I've been listening to a lot of sample libraries lately and i've come to this:

cinematic studio strings, cineperc (for percussion) and berlin woodwinds.

What about brass?

WHat would you say is the best and most versatile library?

(for example loved the versatility of the measured trills, double-triple tongued etc. in berlin woodwinds which is adjusted per your host's tempo)

 

None of the brass libraries I've tried (Spitfire Symphonic Brass, Orchestral Brass Classic, EWQL, and Samplemodeling's The Trumpet/The Horn/The Trombone, plus Symphobia and Angry Brass) are so versatile that they can do everything. If I HAD to pick just one of those, it would be Spitfire. But I regularly find uses for all of them.

 

In terms of sheer nimbleness, the Samplemodeling brass instruments are hard to beat, particularly The Trumpet. With careful use of the CCs and key velocities, you can get crazy realistic sounds out of them. The only thing is that they're a lot better for soloistic passages than anything else, even with convolution IRs to help them sit in the same "space" as the other instruments. I also find that their tone just doesn't always have quite the character I'm looking for. The sound is very close and anechoic by design, and it can be very difficult to get it to sound like it was recorded with a Decca tree in a big scoring stage filled with other players.

 

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17 hours ago, filmmusic said:

OK, I've been listening to a lot of sample libraries lately and i've come to this:

cinematic studio strings, cineperc (for percussion) and berlin woodwinds.

What about brass?

WHat would you say is the best and most versatile library?

(for example loved the versatility of the measured trills, double-triple tongued etc. in berlin woodwinds which is adjusted per your host's tempo)

 

I love Berlin Brass but they are very resource heavy.  I think the same with spitfire.  Great sound but you need lots of RAM and good HD (like SSD).  To get the very best results with Berlin Brass, you'd probably load up each individual player (so rather than something like "solo horn" and "4 horns", you'd load "horn 1, horn 2, horn 3, horn 4, 4 horns, trumpet 1, trumpet 2, trumpet 3, 3 trumpets, trombone 1,..." so that puts a ton of load on your system but has great realism.  You might want at least 128 gigs of RAM* and/or maybe a slave computer.  * I will caveat and say others get good results with less RAM so it might also be that I just don't have a very new computer but just say that you need lots of heft for these modern libraries.  @Datameister makes a good point, most people who have these high end libraries also have a wide range of other libraries because none does everything.  For example BBC Orchestra is good at a classical sound but doesn't have so much heft.  Berlin Brass is good at bold and brightness but Spitfire might have more in your face presence.  None of these would be great at Big band, etc., etc.  But Berlin is my go to library but you might have to supplement any library with something else.

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55 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

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Are there computers with so much RAM?

I have 16!

Computers can have way more than that even, but I have 40GB which is ok if you don't load every articulation and instrument at once. Logic Pro has a very good feature that lets you open a big template but only loads the tracks in use or the ones that you select which saves a lot of ram and enables you to work with big libraries and templates without needing huge amounts of RAM.

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6 hours ago, Mr. Who said:

Computers can have way more than that even, but I have 40GB which is ok if you don't load every articulation and instrument at once. Logic Pro has a very good feature that lets you open a big template but only loads the tracks in use or the ones that you select which saves a lot of ram and enables you to work with big libraries and templates without needing huge amounts of RAM.

 

I am building my first new desktop since 2008. The mobo can accommodate 128 gigs (4x32). This computer will start with half that. 

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6 minutes ago, Darth Wojo said:

 

I am building my first new desktop since 2008. The mobo can accommodate 128 gigs (4x32). This computer will start with half that. 

That's very good. Upgrading RAM yourself is often cheaper!

5 hours ago, Jay said:

A GOT avatar in 2021?

 

What happened to Olivia?

Who is Olivia?

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9 hours ago, filmmusic said:

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Are there computers with so much RAM?

I have 16!

One important detail, are you just a hobbyist or pro?  I think 16 is on the low side for these libraries but if you just want to play around with these libraries maybe 64 is enough.  That is very low on the pro side.  For example, I am getting in to photography but very much a hobbyist.  My computer isn't close to what a pro would say is what you need for visual arts.  For me that is ok because it is just for fun.  If you are doing this for a living, that really matters so consider that as well.  I was talking if you do this professionally which was an assumption on my part since you were talking about pro level libraries.  No pro I know has 16 gigs.  I have 96 gigs and am struggling to keep up.  I am far behind in terms of what they use.  Most of my peers have multiple computers which I don't have because it's so complex. 

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