Indiana Jones How will Williams "treat" the Raiders March in the Dial of Destiny End Credits? (Indy 5 End Credits Discussion)

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

With another John Williams Indy score growing fast upon us comes the realization that we have another John Williams end credits piece to look forward to. Here, Williams is given a largely blank canvas to weave together the themes and musical ideas, both old and new, he has put into the film into a singular musical tapestry. With the prospect of a new Indy end credits comes multiple points of discussion.

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(1) The first topic of discussion that comes to mind is how will Williams treat the Raiders March in this final end credits sequence? His approach has been a bit off and on, with Temple of Doom and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull both featuring new creative instances of the theme:

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Temple of Doom: Raiders March and Short Round's theme blended together:

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: New variation and outro

 

 

In contrast, Raiders and Last Crusade go for a largely by the numbers approach:

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Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade:

 

 

Which ultimately brings us to the first poll question: will Williams choose to conclude the series with some sort of new Raiders March variation snuck in there, perhaps a merging of Helena's theme with Indy's à la Force Awakens, or will it be sufficient in Williams mind to end it with a grand orchestration of the traditional playing of the theme we know and love?

 

(2) Second point of discussion. As @crumbs was astute to point out here, it seems possible that Williams will be using the newer concert recording mix of the Raiders March that makes the drum rhythm more prominent/audible. Will this be what is featured in the end credits, will Williams opt to use the older styling, or will he use both for the end credits?

(3) Lastly, and as a bit of a bonus question inviting more generalized discussion surrounding the end credits of Indy 5, will Williams choose to do something special to send off the series in the end credits? In contrast to Rise of Skywalker, where Williams was rushed and without a dial of destiny to give him more time, it would seem Williams was given a more structured and less rushed working schedule to write the score for the final Indy outing. Perhaps a stroll through the museum of themes Williams has accumulated for this series over the years? Perhaps an end credits styling straight out of the Hollywood Golden Age to conform with how Williams has been going around presenting Helena's theme? Who knows! 

[King Mark 3,631]

I liked what he did at the end of the KotCS End Credits, but I think this time it will return to the vanilla Raiders's March.(which we'll get twice on the OST at the expense of new music)

[Tom 4,671]

I am a bit worried (well, maybe that word is too strong) about the end credits, as I really don't want the six minute Mutter arrangement of Helena's theme in place of typical IJ end credit suites.  

[Jay 37,373]

new version of the Raiders March that Williams has been using in concerts?

 

What is this now?

[Faleel 5,359]

I disagree that TLC didn't do a creative new instance.

 

2:07-2:43 of Finale.

 

[Alex 2,835]

After KOTSC I became more optimistic about JW´s approach to end credit suites. However, I have to say that TLJ and especially TROS left me a little cold in that respect. I am hoping he pulls something special out the bag, but I imagine it will be the standard Raiders March, Dial Theme, Helena´s Theme, Raiders March reprise. Hopefully it sounds coherent at least (like TFA)

[Brando 1,864]

It wouldn't make sense, but I think it'd be cool if he blended the previous 4 end credits with #5 together. I do hope that, even though I do love the flourish in KOTCS's credits, this one packs more of a punch.

[Tom 4,671]

1 hour ago, Brando said:

It wouldn't make sense, but I think it'd be cool if he blended the previous 4 end credits with #5 together. I do hope that, even though I do love the flourish in KOTCS's credits, this one packs more of a punch.

There is an interview somewhere where he mentions that he considered this approach for IV (or maybe III).  I hope for a V-only suite.  However, what I would love (though I know it will never happen) is a 20-25 minute "The Adventures of Indiana Jones" concert suite released after the movie.  

[Brando 1,864]

34 minutes ago, Tom said:

"The Adventures of Indiana Jones" concert suite released after the movie.  

Oh that would be lovely!!

[Bellosh 3,419]

Final Indy movie calls for bringing back the coda that's in the original theme

 

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

7 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

Final Indy movie calls for bringing back the coda that's in the original theme

 

 

That always made me think of him going back to academia after the adventure 

[Bellosh 3,419]

1 minute ago, Not Mr. Big said:

That always made me think of him going back to academia after the adventure 

 

yes!!

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

The credits will just a greatest hits mash up of themes from the entire series a la TROS.

[Antonb 118]

Helena’s theme will be bang in the middle

 

[Brónach 1,302]

20 hours ago, Bellosh said:

Final Indy movie calls for bringing back the coda that's in the original theme

 

 

 

best ending

[Andy 4,141]

I absolutely adore the Crystal Skull flourishes with the unexpected departure and key changes and the big coda.  A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. 
 

It really does a lot to freshen up a tune you’ve heard a zillion times reach the finish line in a new and thrilling way.