Indiana Jones 5 TV spot music could be from the new score

[Jay 30919]

 

[artguy360 1669]

I just saw that. Sounds much more JW-like.

[Cerebral Cortex 2842]

Amazing the difference is between playing something resembling the real deal versus a cheap imitation. Actually got goosebumps from this.

[crumbs 12574]

8 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

I just saw that. Sounds much more JW-like.

 

Makes a huge difference.

 

The material at the start sounds like new score? And the second half might be from the Indy 5 sessions as well (potentially "souped up" with some enhancements?)

[artguy360 1669]

Music still has epic drums though. Definitely not JW.

[A Farewell to Kings 3529]

3 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Music still has epic drums though. Definitely not JW.

Anyone could take JW score and edit it with epic_drms.wav..... Remember Jedi Steps?

[Brando 856]

Sounds 10 times better 

[crumbs 12574]

It has those prominent snare drums with the catchy new rhythm, too. This wasn't present (or was inaudible) in the film recordings, so it seems highly likely they've used an Indy 5 recording for the trailer.

 

Notice the prominent rhythm on the drums in newer recordings:

 

 It's either missing or barely audible in the films:

 

I highly doubt they'd licence some random concert performance for this trailer.

 

Clearly it's somewhat enhanced, but it sounds like a vastly more dynamic recording than Crystal Skull!

[artguy360 1669]

27 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Anyone could take JW score and edit it with epic_drms.wav..... Remember Jedi Steps?

Yes, it could be a JW recording with trailer house augmentation. But not pure JW like the TFA teaser music.

[Andy 2181]

No watch for me, but glad to hear it!

[Cerebral Cortex 2842]

35 minutes ago, crumbs said:

It has those prominent snare drums with the catchy new rhythm, too. This wasn't present (or was inaudible) in the film recordings, so it seems highly likely they've used an Indy 5 recording for the trailer.

 

Notice the prominent rhythm on the drums in newer recordings:

 

 It's either missing or barely audible in the films:

 

I highly doubt they'd licence some random concert performance for this trailer.

 

Clearly it's somewhat enhanced, but it sounds like a vastly more dynamic recording than Crystal Skull!

 

Great catch!

[Brando 856]

35 minutes ago, Andy said:

No watch for me, but glad to hear it!

You know you want to!

[Andy 2181]

Oh totally!  In this age of information it’s almost an impossible game. But so far so good.   The ads aren’t meant for me. They’re already getting my money.  I just hope the people at work don’t spill the beans tomorrow. 

[Brando 856]

16 minutes ago, Andy said:

Oh totally!  In this age of information it’s almost an impossible game. But so far so good.   The ads aren’t meant for me. They’re already getting my money.  I just hope the people at work don’t spill the beans tomorrow. 

You're brave, Andy. You have willpower.

[Andy 2181]

When I was in 5th grade, the local paper printed the ROTJ review with spoilers a day before its release and some kid at school blabbed about Leia being Luke’s sister.  A day later, I found out he wasn’t full of it.  I think it being spoiled for me soured me not only on spoilers, but on the story reveal itself.  I didn’t really accept it, or like it. I still don’t. 
 

And then this guy at the theater put his fedora on my head and said, “You got spoiled kid. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it.”

 

And ever since then I’ve had a fear of spoilers. 

[A Farewell to Kings 3529]

Doesn't help that relationship never had much of an impact in movies post Jedi

[Tom 3363]

Well, I don't think it is a spolier, but Indy does say that he didn't kill his wife.  And the villian tells him that he doesn't care.  

[Brando 856]

10 minutes ago, Andy said:

When I was in 5th grade, the local paper printed the ROTJ review with spoilers a day before its release and some kid at school blabbed about Leia being Luke’s sister.  A day later, I found out he wasn’t full of it.  I think it being spoiled for me soured me not only on spoilers, but on the story reveal itself.  I didn’t really accept it, or like it. I still don’t. 
 

And then this guy at the theater put his fedora on my head and said, “You got spoiled kid. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it.”

 

And ever since then I’ve had a fear of spoilers. 

That's understandable. I'd be mad to this day about that.

[Andy 2181]

I think I still have the article. I should scan it. 

[Not Mr. Big 4039]

I'm willing to bet both nuts that's Williams music (that bit at the beginning is a separate cue)

[Edmilson 4472]

Someone should ask Mangold on Twitter if the cue at the beginning of the spot is Williams or not. 

[artguy360 1669]

4 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I'm willing to bet both nuts that's Williams music (that bit at the beginning is a separate cue)

I think so too but I'm not betting any of my nuts.

[Brando 856]

7 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I'm willing to bet both nuts that's Williams music (that bit at the beginning is a separate cue)

To me, it sounds cut off. I'm wondering if these 2 pieces will be heard in a full final trailer.

[crumbs 12574]

I really like Ford's acting with the, "what are you doing here?!" line.

 

I haven't seen him put this much energy into a performance for a long while.

 

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

To me, it sounds cut off. I'm wondering if these 2 pieces will be heard in a full final trailer.

 

The opening 6 seconds definitely sounds like a film cue(s). The rest is probably just the end credits (with added synth drums).

[Brando 856]

Spoiler

"Give em hell, Indiana Jones!!!"

Added a spoiler box for Andy, but this line just gets me so hyped for the movie.

[mrbellamy 5614]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

I haven't seen him put this much energy into a performance for a long while.

 

This felt way more true to say about him in Force Awakens, which was a notably more commanding performance than Crystal Skull and you could reason back to What Lies Beneath in 2000 or even before since he was owning the screen like that. I don't think it's exactly fair these days when he's also been excellent in Blade Runner 2049 and even probably one of the better performances in Rise of Skywalker!

 

I have no comment on Call of the Wild, 1923, or Shrinking but he's felt more present again in these big things. I remember Age of Adaline earlier in 2015 also hearing a lot of "Wow Harrison Ford's actually great in this" though I never saw that, but that felt like a turning point year where he wasn't just clocking in and it exceeded something like Morning Glory or 42 where you were mostly just grateful to see him actually playing a character.

[crumbs 12574]

Certainly not saying his recent performances are bad! Just that Indiana Jones is a physically demanding role and Ford gives the character a unique physicality with his performance (albeit slightly stilted in KOCS).

 

He was great in TFA, appropriately playing an older, somewhat burdened interpretation of Han Solo.

 

But clearly he's having a blast playing Indy again. They could easily have gone the grumpy curmudgeon route but he's coming across as more of a protective elder, similar to Han's relationship with Rey in TFA.

[Cerebral Cortex 2842]

"Indiana Jones 5 and the Path to Accepting Excitement (OST)" / Sequel Score Shaming 

In Honor of Valentine's Day 2023 (February 14th, 2023)

 

A pretentious, inane, and possibly unintentionally ageist thesis drenched in a lust for Internet clout.

 

Written by Cerebral Cortex

Edited by Tim Allen

(who was Sued by Pamela Anderson)

 

Dedicated to BloodBoal

 

Even with the first trailer out, for some reason this movie still felt very surreal and I don't think my mind really accepted it as a thing that was actually happening. So I'd see things for it and my mind just on the most passive level interpreted what it saw and reacted to it, entirely bypassing the part of the thought process where in order for my brain to make that connection it must also accept that this film is also a real thing.

With this TV spot, there's something that has clicked in my brain and this now feels like a very real movie that is coming out in just a few months. Perhaps just by seeing it with more familiar music, it gave a legitimacy to it that I previously didn't associate with those images.

 

But now that I've finally broken through that psychic threshold, I realize now there is a new one I'm not even sure how to process: the fact John Williams, at 91, is scoring another Indiana Jones movie. And with that realization comes, to me and numerous other members, a feeling of immense excitement.

 

Which brings me to the meat of this post. I leave it to the members to judge my sin.

 

I've seen a lot of discourse over the last few years where members on here would get shit on for getting more excited over a Star Wars Episode 24 sequel score than whatever new Williams prestige score was right around the corner. And for a long time I sat there anonymously on the receiving end being unable to succinctly "understand why I looked forward to these Williams blockbuster sequel scores more than a new Williams score for a very insufferable and boring Oscar bait movie" (Cerebral Cortex, 2023). But I so desperately wanted to understand: (A) why do I feel the strong need to justify this opinion and (B) why do I feel this way in the first place emotionally regarding being excited for new Star Wars from Williams versus new anything else. 

 

But with the release of this movie, I finally think I get it. Perhaps it was always obvious, but I only just now realized that the preference in which upcoming Williams score JWFans allowed themselves to be excited by was probably a very largely generational difference. I say that in the kindest words with the intended meaning being that most likely a lot of the people who were excited about those new Star Wars scores saw them not just as blockbuster scores but as emotional extensions to pieces of music that had made a very impressionable mark on people who were younger when those films first came out. It would be exceedingly interesting to be able to plot member age against total excitement of members who were excited about the Star Wars sequel scores more than other new Williams scores. If you could, I bet you would see a lot of peaks of excitement plotted around people who as kids grew up in the late 90s and the late 70s than those who grew up in the mid-80s, mid-60s, mid-2000s, mid-2020s (ah yes, the coveted toddler film score demographic!). That is to say that those who were young enough to find themselves impressed upon by those earlier Williams works were probably more excited about the upcoming sequels to those works they were fond of than members who grew up without that experience.

 

So in the coming week, you might find yourself feeling shameful or disgusted with yourself. You may see opinions shared on this forum regarding this score that cast shade your way or make you feel inadequate in your musical tastes for being excited by it or enjoying it. You may wake up and look in the mirror to find that you don't like the man you see: someone who, when compared to Steven Spielberg's The Fabelmans, is getting much more excited about this upcoming James Mangold's "The Fabled Man"  (phrase copyright © Cerebral Cortex 2023). But getting more excited about new Williams music to a big dumb blockbuster movie isn't wrong. Because, if you're on this forum, there's a very good chance that in the end, it was never even really about the movie; it was about the music.

 

And that's when the surrealness starts to set in for people who grew up able to be impacted by the power of these films. That feeling of love you have for that cherished child thing can't possibly be something one is able to experience now. Because right now you're in your late-20s and the world isn't the same as when all you had to worry about was when the school bus left and there's no way that that thing you loved so fondly back when you were a child and everything was warm and safe can exist now in this life of uncertainty and fear and cold. Because back then was a forever ago. And the person who made that thing you loved can't be the same person who is making this new thing to that thing you loved.

 

 

But it is.

 

 

It's the same fucking guy.

 

And he might be older now (well, we're not quite sure if he is actually aging) but you're definitely older, and your life has complexities you never even considered, worries you never even thought about growing up. "Will my parents get Alzheimer's?" "Will I get Alzheimer's?" "Why is that mole changing color?" "Should I have gotten that 1-year warranty on the toaster?" "Will I get Alzheimer's?"

 

But somehow that same man is here. To show you that that feeling you have for the things you loved is still inside you. To show you that being around to take on the worries of life is worth it if it means you get to experience things like these to get excited over, regardless of how big or how small that thing is. That just because you feel like you're stuck feeling a certain way doesn't mean you lost those other feelings. And that you can still love things you loved when you were little as a grown adult. Because it's always okay to be excited about something you love.

 

So this Valentines' Day, if you find yourself as a fellow JWFanner feeling bad about being excited for Indy 5, don't. You're doing it for love.

 

And that's always a good reason to do something.*
*-following a bunch of legally-binding stipulations

 

 

But anyways, yeah, I think that's why this upcoming score feels so surreal to me lol.

 

And you're welcome for the reminder that Valentine's Day is tomorrow. I just saved your ass!

 

 

EDIT: holy shit i'm high as fuck lol

 

[Jay 30919]

Wow

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

11 hours ago, crumbs said:

It has those prominent snare drums with the catchy new rhythm, too. This wasn't present (or was inaudible) in the film recordings, so it seems highly likely they've used an Indy 5 recording for the trailer.

 

Notice the prominent rhythm on the drums in newer recordings:

 

 It's either missing or barely audible in the films:

 

I highly doubt they'd licence some random concert performance for this trailer.

 

Clearly it's somewhat enhanced, but it sounds like a vastly more dynamic recording than Crystal Skull!

 

It's audible enough in the Sony recording:

 

...and in the Philips recording:

 

 

[Loert 2295]

12 hours ago, crumbs said:

It has those prominent snare drums with the catchy new rhythm, too. This wasn't present (or was inaudible) in the film recordings, so it seems highly likely they've used an Indy 5 recording for the trailer.

 

Notice the prominent rhythm on the drums in newer recordings:

 

At least they can play in time!

[BrotherSound 1831]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

It's audible enough in the Sony recording:

 

...and in the Philips recording:

I believe what @crumbs is referring to is the snare rhythm here seems to have been subtly revised from the published arrangement (as heard on all recordings prior to last year), from this:

 

 

To something like this:

 

If you can’t read music, the second rhythm has a few more notes and is more “galloping”.

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

I guess the VPO played it wrong and then JW just went with it. 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 67]

If it's a new recording it sounds really good! If not, it's not to not have the trailerized version of the theme like they've been doing with new Star Wars projects. 

Dying to hear the whole score fr.

[Sandor 657]

9 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

"Indiana Jones 5 and the Path to Accepting Excitement (OST)" / Sequel Score Shaming 

In Honor of Valentine's Day 2023 (February 14th, 2023)

 

A pretentious, inane, and possibly unintentionally ageist thesis drenched in a lust for Internet clout.

 

Written by Cerebral Cortex

Edited by Tim Allen

(who was Sued by Pamela Anderson)

 

Dedicated to BloodBoal

 

Even with the first trailer out, for some reason this movie still felt very surreal and I don't think my mind really accepted it as a thing that was actually happening. So I'd see things for it and my mind just on the most passive level interpreted what it saw and reacted to it, entirely bypassing the part of the thought process where in order for my brain to make that connection it must also accept that this film is also a real thing.

With this TV spot, there's something that has clicked in my brain and this now feels like a very real movie that is coming out in just a few months. Perhaps just by seeing it with more familiar music, it gave a legitimacy to it that I previously didn't associate with those images.

 

But now that I've finally broken through that psychic threshold, I realize now there is a new one I'm not even sure how to process: the fact John Williams, at 91, is scoring another Indiana Jones movie. And with that realization comes, to me and numerous other members, a feeling of immense excitement.

 

Which brings me to the meat of this post. I leave it to the members to judge my sin.

 

I've seen a lot of discourse over the last few years where members on here would get shit on for getting more excited over a Star Wars Episode 24 sequel score than whatever new Williams prestige score was right around the corner. And for a long time I sat there anonymously on the receiving end being unable to succinctly "understand why I looked forward to these Williams blockbuster sequel scores more than a new Williams score for a very insufferable and boring Oscar bait movie" (Cerebral Cortex, 2023). But I so desperately wanted to understand: (A) why do I feel the strong need to justify this opinion and (B) why do I feel this way in the first place emotionally regarding being excited for new Star Wars from Williams versus new anything else. 

 

But with the release of this movie, I finally think I get it. Perhaps it was always obvious, but I only just now realized that the preference in which upcoming Williams score JWFans allowed themselves to be excited by was probably a very largely generational difference. I say that in the kindest words with the intended meaning being that most likely a lot of the people who were excited about those new Star Wars scores saw them not just as blockbuster scores but as emotional extensions to pieces of music that had made a very impressionable mark on people who were younger when those films first came out. It would be exceedingly interesting to be able to plot member age against total excitement of members who were excited about the Star Wars sequel scores more than other new Williams scores. If you could, I bet you would see a lot of peaks of excitement plotted around people who as kids grew up in the late 90s and the late 70s than those who grew up in the mid-80s, mid-60s, mid-2000s, mid-2020s (ah yes, the coveted toddler film score demographic!). That is to say that those who were young enough to find themselves impressed upon by those earlier Williams works were probably more excited about the upcoming sequels to those works they were fond of than members who grew up without that experience.

 

So in the coming week, you might find yourself feeling shameful or disgusted with yourself. You may see opinions shared on this forum regarding this score that cast shade your way or make you feel inadequate in your musical tastes for being excited by it or enjoying it. You may wake up and look in the mirror to find that you don't like the man you see: someone who, when compared to Steven Spielberg's The Fabelmans, is getting much more excited about this upcoming James Mangold's "The Fabled Man"  (phrase copyright © Cerebral Cortex 2023). But getting more excited about new Williams music to a big dumb blockbuster movie isn't wrong. Because, if you're on this forum, there's a very good chance that in the end, it was never even really about the movie; it was about the music.

 

And that's when the surrealness starts to set in for people who grew up able to be impacted by the power of these films. That feeling of love you have for that cherished child thing can't possibly be something one is able to experience now. Because right now you're in your late-20s and the world isn't the same as when all you had to worry about was when the school bus left and there's no way that that thing you loved so fondly back when you were a child and everything was warm and safe can exist now in this life of uncertainty and fear and cold. Because back then was a forever ago. And the person who made that thing you loved can't be the same person who is making this new thing to that thing you loved.

 

 

But it is.

 

 

It's the same fucking guy.

 

And he might be older now (well, we're not quite sure if he is actually aging) but you're definitely older, and your life has complexities you never even considered, worries you never even thought about growing up. "Will my parents get Alzheimer's?" "Will I get Alzheimer's?" "Why is that mole changing color?" "Should I have gotten that 1-year warranty on the toaster?" "Will I get Alzheimer's?"

 

But somehow that same man is here. To show you that that feeling you have for the things you loved is still inside you. To show you that being around to take on the worries of life is worth it if it means you get to experience things like these to get excited over, regardless of how big or how small that thing is. That just because you feel like you're stuck feeling a certain way doesn't mean you lost those other feelings. And that you can still love things you loved when you were little as a grown adult. Because it's always okay to be excited about something you love.

 

So this Valentines' Day, if you find yourself as a fellow JWFanner feeling bad about being excited for Indy 5, don't. You're doing it for love.

 

And that's always a good reason to do something.*
*-following a bunch of legally-binding stipulations

 

 

But anyways, yeah, I think that's why this upcoming score feels so surreal to me lol.

 

And you're welcome for the reminder that Valentine's Day is tomorrow. I just saved your ass!

 

 

EDIT: holy shit i'm high as fuck lol

 

It’s only February, but this is the Post of the Year for me. 😇

[Docteur Qui 1418]

Great post @Cerebral Cortex and I couldn't agree more. In a few months I will have a direct line to my childhood, and the moment I fell in love with music in general through JW's scores. That happened to be in the late 90's, which as you mentioned is likely why my excitement is so high. I haven't been this excited for a score since 2015 and the promise of TFA. He knocked that one out of the park and I have such fond memories of falling in love with a sophisticated and incredibly crafted score. I'm sad to say that my heart has hardened around anything Star Wars related since then, due in equal parts to the relentless output of the franchise and the tiresome discourse around it. But that's not the case with Indy, so my inner-child has stirred from his slumber and waits in anticipation for what's to come (before retiring once more as "the discourse" inevitably approaches).

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

Great post @Cerebral Cortex and I couldn't agree more that you were high while writing it.