Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 or his music...You love horner... (i thought you meant it in a artistical way... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I love his music, as I do Williams', yes. I don't listen to much from either nowadays, but that doesn't mean I've lost respect or appreciation for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Even a totally shameless score like FOR GREATER GLORY, which not only rips but is drenched in overloud pathos and grandioso but undeserved musical gestures somehow lands on my playlist time and time again and i have not yet figured out what it is i like about it...Not sure about comparing it to Williams, but For Greater Glory will get a lot more playtime from me then The Last Guardian. There's a few cues that build to some really beautiful music instead of Desplat's far in between "well those last 15 seconds kinda sounded nice but it's gone now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Again not a hint of Williams music in the TV commercials.Only stock power anthems. Again it's as though they're ashamed of the score or think people will not go see the film if they hear orchestral music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Or the music is not intense enough for a trailer (really KM, if they played Race to the House, it would feel very comedic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I don't know if this was posted already and I'm too lazy to search:[media=] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Thanks for the link. Nice if brief comments from the film makers. Sally Field should tone her "advertisement" voice down a bit. She is like an automaton doing her sales pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You don't agree with her about Tony Kushner's magnificent text and the unbelievably superb shepherdship of Steven Spielberg?? (even without the enunciation that's a bit of a mouthful...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Why is JW grooming the mic like it's his beard?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I just got this via mail on Friday. Generally, I am more of a fan of the adventure Williams stuff. For instance, I prefer Williams' Tintin queues over the War Horse queues.However, Lincoln was a great surprise. It's the slower Williams stuff, but I am really digging it. Wonderful music.I really hope JW can stay healthy so he can keep churning these puppies out. There is not much in the way of fine art these days. JW may be one of the few real artists out there. IMO at least. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You really ought to post more. I enjoy your video game website style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Great shot from the film:Speaking of Spielberg's iconic shots, check also this interview with Janusz Kaminski:http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/how-steven-spielberg-cinematographer-janusz-kaminski-got-these-shots.html Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Very interesting. Thank you.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That's one of the very last scenes in the entire film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Thanks for the spoiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Does he die? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hedwig and Joe Brausam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I tried to see Lincoln tonight but they were all sold out. I don't think I've ever been turned away from a movie theatre before (of course, for popular movies I've bought tickets online, I just didn't think I would need to for this one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 The movie is excellent, Day-Lewis is incredible and Spielberg's direction is quite interesting. The lighting in the film is questionable. Too many shots of Lincoln in shadows mixed in with shots of bright light streaming in through the windows (a Kaminski trademark).As for the music, it's very sparse. I think one or two reels went by with no music, or about one minute of transition cues. Of course, there is little action to score, and I commend Spielberg and Williams for not wanting to write music for the sake of underscoring any of the "secret" White House meetings to keep the audience aurally engaged. (The bluegrass music for the "lobbyists" was fun.)That said, I wasn't wowed by the theme for Lincoln. After JFK, Nixon and John Quincy Adams, I was expecting another great presidential theme. But, on more reflection, it's very subdued and introspective, much like the way Day-Lewis played the president.I am extremely happy Williams did not score the scene when the spoiler alert bill was passed. Most composers and directors would need some music here, but there was just cheering and shots of people in tears (followed by that superb shot of Lincoln and his son hearing the bells). The song the House sang shortly after was very rousing and I am glad that was used (not sure if it's historically accurate, but I bet it is).The end credits, sadly, do not measure up to "Arlington" from JFK, which is one of the greatest compositions Williams has ever written, but it did have a beautiful piano melody at the end. I was surprised that so many people sat through the entire credits, and were mostly quiet during the credits.Unfortunately, subdued scores rarely win Oscars (see: Brokeback Mountain), so I am not predicting Williams' name being called on Oscar night. But I'm not sure of any other scores that will have the same exposure this year, outside of maybe "The Master," if Johnny Greenwood didn't pull the same ineligibility issue he had with "There Will Be Blood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Hmm, still on the fence about seeing this film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Finally saw it. I thought it was a great film, in so many ways. It's not the greatest thing in the world for a JW fan, because the music is really sparse and subtle, never really breaking free until the end credits. Acting was stupendous--I wonder if somebody will finally win an acting Oscar for a Spielberg film? The film was also an optimistic stance on the often frustrating process of American politics. I felt its message was VERY relevant right after our election. I'm curious to see how accurate it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Tony Kushner on writing Lincoln Very interesting interview. indy4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Thanks for the link to the Kushner interview Maurizio! Really interesting to hear him opening up the evolution of the script with all that it entailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Just saw the movie, and I have to say, I think the movie could have done with even less music. It did work beautifully for the most part, but sparse as it is, much of the movie is so quiet and static that even a gentle piano or clarinet solo to indicate a scene transition could be a bit jarring. For me, his music worked best with the montages, like the comedic moments with the lobbyists and especially the voting on the amendment. A great, exciting, moving sequence, quintessential Spielberg/Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 For those interested in Lincoln the real man, here's my favorite picture of him. Because he looks more real in this photo than any other.Sitting with General George McLellan at Antietam. Three years before the events of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 His beard was much more impressive then than in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 The presidency basically obliterated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST-321 4 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Thanks for posting this pic.I just saw the film tonight. It was magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The author of Team ofRivals won the Kennedy Center Honor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The fine people at Sony asked me to pass long the link to this book about the Lincoln filmhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/book/lincoln-steven-spielberg-film/id577194510?mt=11Sounds interesting. Anybody check it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The presidency basically obliterated him.And JW Booth totally obliterated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Ironically, these days with such a look Lincoln would most definitely lose the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 For the Kushner fans: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-tony-kushner-books-lincoln-angels-in-america-20121204,0,3768705.story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieC 13 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I was able to see Lincoln yesterday. It's astonishing; not just DDL but the entire organisation of the material in all respects. Hollywood entertainment at full capacity. The JW soundtrack is absolutely a very thorough collection of the music in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I have more than a month to wait before I get to see this film as it lands here in Finland on 25th of January. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieC 13 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It's worth the wait. It's as involving and dramatically taut as Munich.I am very interested to know what the new screenplay is about that Tony Kushner has said he is writing for Steven Spielberg . One assumes it's a screenplay that Steven S. would direct a film from, rather than only produce. Is it the Gershwin project that was mentioned now and again a while ago ? That'd be another slice of interesting Americana for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I have more than a month to wait before I get to see this film as it lands here in Finland on 25th of January. I can't wait. You honestly want to tell me you can't wait to watch a friggin' LINCOLN movie? Is there no european pride anymore!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I have more than a month to wait before I get to see this film as it lands here in Finland on 25th of January. I can't wait. You honestly want to tell me you can't wait to watch a friggin' LINCOLN movie? Is there no european pride anymore!?! Well they have to make a film about some great European or preferably Finnish president or statesman. Until then we have to take what we get from America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I was hoping for something a bit newer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Anything less Nazi in the recent statesman filmography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 How dare you!!OK...for current politics we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I am amazed Bruno Ganz wasn't offered the role of Merkel.Well Hitler and Rommel were not people I would like to offer my swooning adoration to like Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Bad guys are more interesting anyway.I don't think Lincoln is above criticism...but don't expect his racist-by-todays-standards remarks ending up in uncle Steven's whitewashed playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well they have to make a film about some great European or preferably Finnish president or statesman. Until then we have to take what we get from America.Try this one; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't think Lincoln is above criticism...but don't expect his racist-by-todays-standards remarks ending up in uncle Steven's whitewashed playbook.It's a legitimate criticism of the film that it doesn't explore Lincoln's views on slavery and race, or how they evolved over the years. I wouldn't say it's white-washing, per se, but rather that Spielberg/Kushner avoided the issue by choosing to dramatize only the last few months of Lincoln's life, a period where his nastier edges had been largely smoothed over and he would have been less racist and more abolitionist than even a couple years prior. The film would have been better with at least one scene where he was forced to address his opposing views, though, and I think it would have been interesting if they had at least mentioned the idea of resettling free Africans and African-Americans to Liberia or somewhere else outside America. It's something Lincoln long entertained (one of the most damning things against him) and an idea that survived even after he had dropped it.What set Lincoln apart, though, isn't that he wasn't racist, but that he was open, able, and willing to change. And I certainly found the character of Lincoln to be a three-dimensional one in Kushner's script and Spielberg's film. As far as showing his rougher edges, he is not especially likeable in the scenes with his family, and in a conversation with his black housekeeper, she asks what he thinks lies ahead for her people if the Amendment is passed, and he replies "I imagine I'll get used to you." It's delivered somewhat ironically, but it's an emotionally guarded moment and doesn't totally let him off the hook. It's not a perfect movie, but it's surprisingly cerebral, and I think is most effective when dealing with the political compromises Lincoln made regarding slavery, and in addressing the classic "do ends justify the means" dilemma, forcing us to wonder whether the more extreme political measures taken are overstepping boundaries. It's actually uncomfortable at times, watching the actions that the Republicans take to abolish slavery and win the war, and that's fascinating to me. Hollywood movies rarely go so far into this kind of territory, so convincingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I wouldn't expect that of Kushner, either. And from what i've read the movie isn't as solemn and brazenly patriotic as i have feared. Still, the whole endeavour smells Hallmark all the way - but to be bloody honest, my biggest problem with films like LINCOLN is that the whole subject doesn't interest me very much. So again, the Williams score is the best thing in it for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 but to be bloody honest, my biggest problem with films like LINCOLN is that the whole subject doesn't interest me very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Yeah, ditto.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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