Henry B 50 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 There has never actually been any unreleased OT music in videogames, unless you count the mysteriously good-sounding ESB remixes in Republic Commando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Could anyone post a list with all the alternates from Empire Strikes Back?How to edit the alternate Ice planet Hoth onto the Main titles for instance?Where's the alternate in Carbon Freeze (If I'm not mistaken) and which segment would it replace?Aren't there two end credits on the Anthology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltysmilth 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Maybe this has been answered already, but in the liner notes of the special edition of A New Hope, it says that the film/album version of Main Title/Rebel Blockade Runner is taken from three different takes. (Takes 18, 19, and 20, to be precise. Or the last three takes on track 13 of the Special Edition ANH soundtrack.) So I was wondering which comes from what take? In other words, if I were to (using the bonus track from disc 1 the ANH special edition soundtrack) recreate the film version of Main Title/Rebel Blockade Runner, which portions of what takes would I use and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Why would you want to recreate it? It's already on the album. - Marc, who doesn't know, but the opening crash should be easy to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I was curious, does anyone know of a good recording of "May the Force Be With You..." at least I think that's the name... it's Luke's/the force theme...I have a book that had the theme and I kinda arranged it--years ago--for a small string orchestra.I was just curious if there was ever a recording of the full theme--including b section wich is never heard in the score... it's such a cool piece... is there a concert arrangement floating around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 A track with that name appears in the Concert Suite from Empire Strikes Back conducted by Charles Gerhardt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I noticed that myself, but I don't own that cd and I always wonderd what exactly it is... A cd of concert suites? Has anyone heard that track...is it worth it?I've listened to both the preview on iTunes and on Amazon... I'm tempted to buy it... but I don't really want to if it's not really what I'm looking for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 It is a suite from the empire strikes back, reorchestrated for a more 'concert' experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Ok, so I buckled and bought it on iTunes... (which means I need to burn it to a cd now... oye)But Han and the Princes...A-Maaa-Zing. not amazing... it's a-mAAA-zing. lolUnfortunately, I i'm listening to "May the Force Be With You" and it's not quite what I'd hoped... it's pretty much what you normally hear. Nice orchestrations but not what I was hoping 8O... thanks thoughSo ... maybe there is one out there?I guess my other question is , when they write the solo instrument books with the themes... where does that come from? I mean, I've never heard this B Section before anywhere... but it sounds distinctively John Williams... it doesn't sound invented for the book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I'm not sure what you're talking about - but might that "B section" be the melody featured in the beginning of "The Rebel Fleet/End Title"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 That's part of it! Hey! lol...It starts to do it, but then stops.0:32-0:38 is the start.... but then it goes on... there is more...I got it from the Star Wars (original trilogy themes) piano book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 So, hey, I just wanted to put it out there that I have now 4 versions of Lapti Nek if anyone would like to hear them.I just finished editing a clean Film Version of Lapti nek, ripped from the original tapes, and the making of tape, layered with the instrumental track that I also have now.I have the album version (which most do)I also have the extended ALbum versionI also have the instrumental track And lastly, I have the film version vocal-less track.Alll of this thanks to Lord Skylark. I would, however, like to hear some feedback on the film version edit I did so if anyone is interested, let me know.These will also be on my complete edit for ROTJ when I get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 These new portions are excellent, you got 'm of a video game apparently?I myself won't be burning the film versions on my own complete edit because I want it completely SFX less but they're as good as it gets!One question, does everything 'unreleased' from the extended album version come from the instrumental (second portion) track? Or is there a difference?That instrumental track is really great btw Also, where did you get the opening for the album track? I seem to remember that cymbal thing is in worse quality on the anthology...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 You'd really have to ask Lord Skylark where the files came from.You say worse quality, but it's because the Album version is a synth crash of some sort, this is a real gong sound...This was taken from an LP as far as I know. I had to speed up the track and tune it up a hair in the process. There was some hiss and occasional pops but I cleaned those up.What I used to replicate the film Lapti Nek was taken from the Instrumental track, yes... but I augmented it with film rip. I also used a rip from the making of the OT Tape which plays Lapti Nek to near completion almost completely clean. A little bit of editing and cleaning up and I got that...It needs some tweaking... but I like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I'll have to ask this again in the hope Jim Ware or Neil are tuning in.Could anyone post timings as to the alternate inside the cue Carbon Freeze in Empire Strikes Back?More importantly, for which exact segment is this an alternate?What's the deal exactly with the alternate end credits from Empire on Disc 4 of the Anthology?Also, do you also hear a strange edit at 3:11 in this track?Thanks!By the way, that link to the PDF with the mixes in Empire doesn't work anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 What I used to replicate the film Lapti Nek was taken from the Instrumental track, yes... but I augmented it with film rip. I also used a rip from the making of the OT Tape which plays Lapti Nek to near completion almost completely clean. A little bit of editing and cleaning up and I got that...It needs some tweaking... but I like it...What I meant was does everything unreleased in the "First Portion" come from the "Second Portion"? Or is there extra material in the first portion compared the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 By the way, that link to the PDF with the mixes in Empire doesn't work anymore... :spiny:Try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Thanks a bunch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 (Bump.)Concerning the chrono ESB, I have taken the alternate Carbon Freeze segment (2:39-3:21) and used it to make an alternate Carbon Freeze cue, replacing the segment at 3:21 - 4:00, which I think is the correspondent film version segment.Could anyone shed some light on the alternate end credits found on Disc 4 of the Anthology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 I'll have to ask this again in the hope Jim Ware or Neil are tuning in.Could anyone post timings as to the alternate inside the cue Carbon Freeze in Empire Strikes Back?More importantly, for which exact segment is this an alternate? Just to confirm, 2:39-3:20 is an alternate version of 3:20-3:59 (timings are for the SE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 My Empire Strikes Back track list:01 20th Century Fox Fanfare02 Main Title / The Imperial Probe (Film Version) / The Ice Planet Hoth 08:0503 The Wampa's Lair / Vision of Obi-Wan / Luke's Rescue04 Aboard the Executor 03:0905 The Battle of Hoth06 The Asteroid Field07 Arrival on Dagobah08 Luke's Nocturnal Visitor09 Han Solo and the Princess10 Jedi Master Revealed / Mynock Cave11 The Training of a Jedi Knight / The Magic Tree12 Attacking a Star Destroyer13 Yoda and the Force14 Imperial Starfleet Deployed / City in the Clouds15 Lando's Palace16 Betrayal at Bespin17 Deal with the Dark Lord18 Carbon Freeze (Film Version) / Darth Vader's Trap / Departure of Boba Fett 11:0819 The Clash of Lightsabers20 Rescue from Cloud City / Hyperspace21 The Rebel Fleet (Album Version) / End Title (Album Version)Bonus Tracks:22 Main Title / The Imperial Probe (Alternate) / The Ice Planet Hoth 08:1023 The Imperial March - Darth Vader's Theme24 Han Solo and the Princess (Concert Suite) [Prague Philharmonic Orchestra]25 Yoda's Theme26 Carbon Freeze (Alternate) / Darth Vader's Trap / Departure of Boba Fett 11:0927 The Rebel Fleet (Film Version) / End Title (Film Version) 06:15The last track is composed of Finale on disc 2 of the anthology + End Title on disc 4 of the anthology.I have used the SE wherever possible because of the superior sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 you've got that backwards... you should use the Anthology whereever you can because of ITS superior sound quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 Not exactly. The Anthology features some reversed channels, badly tuned music, and cuts. Finding and editing the best sources can be a bitch. For example, for the track "The Wampa's Lair," you'll want to use the SE for the opening measure because the Anthology cuts off the beginning a little bit, but the Anthology for the rest of the cue, because at one point there is some odd shuffling/hissing on the SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 Cerrabore speaks the truth. The Special Edition of The Empire Strikes Back has the good sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 Generally, it's assumed that the SE has the best sound, but the Anthology the best mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 There's still room for improvement.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 I think the Anthology has better sound. The S.E. of TESB is to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 Ok. I listened to some ESB SE today... that mix sounds ok.I'm so tainted by the ROTJ SE mix that I almost don't listen to them anymore. ANH sounds fine though... but I know a lot of complaints had surfaced over ESB and ROTJ so...As long as you were careful, then it must be good.Also beware... the ESB SE has a lot of tracks that are remixed and sped up so there may be something wrong with the speed of the Anthology... I dunno what to tell you but you may want to check the speed of the Anthology against the SE to make sure that the bits you used from the Anthology are the right speed and such.Case and point, "Imperial March." I'm not sure which mix I like better. Anthology has deeper bass, but the SE mix is much more of a narrow mix, is sped up, and has less bass in the mix... dunno what to say which you should use...But again, if you're carefull, I'm sure you could have a great edit. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 So... has anyone been checking the new DVD releases? Their menu's have some really great sounding music... I havn't checked them all ...I've only opened ROTJ... and I think we have good versions of the menu music... but it may be something worth checking on all the sets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Sorry to post again, but this kinda is something I want people to take note of:I've never seen any of the films as they originally were... Like... ever...I just watched most of ROTJ as the original original release and I'm just...confused as ever.There were clicks before people would speak...signs of their dialogue being clicked in and out..And 'Yub-Nub' is neither version on the albums... sooo... now It looks like that's something else to add to myrip list. I was just wondering if that film version had ever been released somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Yub nub is like TPM pararade or the new ROTJ ending. No official release of the true film version...I think it was a mix of the anthology's film and album version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 I seem to recall it's the same thing, just a different mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 There were some instruments in this film mix that were different. and The choir seemed to be human, not Ewok, and they seemed to be right in front...no real echo... sounded like a smaller group... until the end though... that's when it went to the anthology version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Anybody happen to have that link to the RotJ unreleased music PDF? It's very comprehensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just asking a stupid question here....is there anything in the Anthology that the SEs don't have? I'd like to make a totally complete set, but I'm not well versed enough to know if there's any alternates, unused music, or anything like that on the Anthology. Or is everything on the Anthology in the SEs, just with better mixes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just asking a stupid question here....is there anything in the Anthology that the SEs don't have? I'd like to make a totally complete set, but I'm not well versed enough to know if there's any alternates, unused music, or anything like that on the Anthology. Or is everything on the Anthology in the SEs, just with better mixes?The Anthology has an alternate of "Leia's News" that's not on the SE (with a quote of "Parade of the Ewoks") and it has some alternate takes (such as the "Shuttle Tydirium" cue), but you have to listen for those differences. And of course the "Lapti Nek" and "Yub Nub" cues are on the Anthology but not the SEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 If I were you, I'd go about it the other way around... at least for ROTJ...I'd use the SE's from ANH and ESB but for ROTJ, THAT'S when I'd use the anthology and then toss in cues from the SE.I say this because the Anthology has much better quality sounding tracks than the SE in almost ALL cases.Your best bet may be to ty looking at the first page of this thread... it's a bit confusing, but if you have all the sets hady, it can help a bit.If I were doing what you are dong I'd do this:Episode IV - SEEpisode V - SE (Although you may want to add the Anthology version of Imperial March as it is mixed much better.I dont' really have the time to say what would be on the ROTJ... give me a little while and I'll post some info... unless anyone else wants to cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just asking a stupid question here....is there anything in the Anthology that the SEs don't have? I'd like to make a totally complete set, but I'm not well versed enough to know if there's any alternates, unused music, or anything like that on the Anthology. Or is everything on the Anthology in the SEs, just with better mixes?Isn't all that in the first post?- Marc, not keeping track of all these edit lists anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just asking a stupid question here....is there anything in the Anthology that the SEs don't have? I'd like to make a totally complete set, but I'm not well versed enough to know if there's any alternates, unused music, or anything like that on the Anthology. Or is everything on the Anthology in the SEs, just with better mixes?The anthology also contains some film edits in TESB. The two cues that come to mind are Rebel Fleet / End Credits and The Falcon's escape from Hoth or whatever the hell it's name is now.Both involve sections of the love theme trimmed from the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 It's not in the first post that I can tell. It just lists how to edit them. But much of that could be for sound quality reasons. Of course, I didn't really look at ROTJs, so that could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Here's a good question.Was the '97 Special Edition Soundtrack for ANH mixed in 5.1 Dolby Digital?I know it wasn't noted in the booklet anywhere but,when I switched my stereo to 5.1 mode,ANH was apparently firing on all speakers.Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 No, a CD cannot contain Dolby Digital 5.1 data. If you heard the music from all speakers your were probably listening to it with your system in Dolby Pro-logic mode. You can read more about it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Naturally, I may not be as acurate as Neil S. Bulk, but I try to get my facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Also beware... the ESB SE has a lot of tracks that are remixed and sped up so there may be something wrong with the speed of the Anthology... I dunno what to tell you but you may want to check the speed of the Anthology against the SE to make sure that the bits you used from the Anthology are the right speed and such.Case and point, "Imperial March." I'm not sure which mix I like better. Anthology has deeper bass, but the SE mix is much more of a narrow mix, is sped up, and has less bass in the mix... dunno what to say which you should use...So, why exactly do they do this crap? Is it too much to just clean it up and put it on discs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I wonder that myself... but from what I'm told, they didn't have a lot of time to work on these edits because the recording studio they were in was slated to begin recording...was it Independance Day or something?they didn't have much time...and one of the guys they hired didn't have an ear for orchestral music or know anything about how to properly mix John Williams scores because he not only narrowed the mix in a lot of cues for ESB, but he also flipped channels in the brass in almost EVERY cue he worked on...so yea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I believe there was a post at FSM, by those who actually worked on it, that explained some of the problems with the Anthology and why it ended up with the mix it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I believe the biggest problem was Ford Thaxton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I believe there was a post at FSM, by those who actually worked on it, that explained some of the problems with the Anthology and why it ended up with the mix it has.You mean with the SE... the Anthology isn't mixed incorrectly... I mean, ESB from what I've heard is said to have sounded like it was recorded in a basement... but past that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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