indy4 155 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I think most of the cues just sound like they could be concert version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Completely 100% false. There are no concert arrangements on the Hook OST.Are the cues in the movie just edited so much? It's been some times since I watched it, but I always thought many tracks are considerably extended, and often have a coda that doesn't show up in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hook OST has alternates. Flight to Neverland, Never-feast, Ultimate War and I know other parts are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Never-Feast (or was it Banquet?) is one of those I'm talking about. I don't think that tuba solo appears in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 The Banquet is definitely the film version and to my memory, it is all featured in the film. Maybe not the very end part.The Never-feast (the part where Peter sees the food and they have the food fight) is very different at the beginning. It's one of several major disappointments on that soundtrack, another being the alternate ending of The Flight to Neverland...film version, please. Coincidentally, the concert version of The Banquet (suite of The Banquet AND The Never-feast) includes the alternate album version of the Never-feast. It's a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 On 11/06/2010 at 6:00 PM, Marian Schedenig said: On 11/06/2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason LeBlanc said: Completely 100% false. There are no concert arrangements on the Hook OST. Are the cues in the movie just edited so much? It's been some times since I watched it, but I always thought many tracks are considerably extended, and often have a coda that doesn't show up in the film? Welll.... 1. Prologue This is actually the music recorded for the film's first teaser 2 We Don't Wanna Grow Up This is either an album version or just an edit of "The Play", followed by the only version of "We Don't Wanna Grow Up 3 Banning Back Home This is an album version / alternate arrangement of 1m4 Yuppie Sounds 4 Granny Wendy This is 4m2 Forgotten How To Fly followed by 2m1 Wendy's Entrance, all of which is heard in the film 5 Hook-Napped This is 4m1 Hook Is Back followed by 3m3 Return To Kensington, all of which is heard in the film 6 The Arrival Of Tink and The Flight To Neverland This is 4m4 The Arrival Of Tink followed by 4m5/5m1 I Don't Believe In Fairies. A revised ending for 4m5/5m1 was later recorded that is used in the film, replacing Williams' original ending (heard on the OST). 7 Presenting The Hook This is 5m2 Arrival In Neverland followed by 5m5 Show Us Your Hook. It skips over the "Pixie Devil" scene/music heard in between those 2 cues. Also in the film, the beginning of 5m2 is edited out. 8 From Mermaids To Lost Boys This is 6m5/7m1 The Mermaids, 7m2 To Neverland, and 7m2 Lost Boys Appear. It all appears in the movie as is, except the ending of The Mermaids is shortened. 9 The Lost Boys Chase This is 7m5 The Lost Boys Ballet. In the film a drum insert is added (You can hear a similar insert incorporated into the track on the Williams On Williams CD) 10 Smee's Plan This is 8m3 Smee Steals The Show 11 The Banquet This is 9m3 The Banquet 12 The Never-feast This is 9m4 Cornucopia, followed by 9m5. A revised section was later recorded for 9m4 that is used in the film, replacing Williams' original version (heard on the OST). 13 Remembering Childhood This is 11m1 The Home Run, 12m2 I Remember, and 12m3 The Flying Sequence. In the final film, the begging of 11m1 is replaced by tracked music. And there is a cue in between 11m1 and 12m2 while Peter explores the treehouse that is not on the OST 14 You Are The Pan This is 12m4 You Are The Pan followed by 7m6/8m1 The Face Of Pan 15 When You're Alone This is When You're Alone (Wendy's Lullaby) 16 The Ultimate War This is 13m2 To War!!, 13m3 Crossed Swords, and 13m4/14m1 Form Rank. In the final film, short last minute inserts were added to both 13m2 and 13m3 17 Farewell Neverland This is 15m3 My Lost Boys, 15m4 The Next Morning, and 15m5/16m1 Kensington Gardens. All of which is heard in the film So yea.... no concert arrangements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 What is up with the shark on the back of the Jaws 3-D CD?I'd never seen this image before. Does anyone remember it being used for promotion of the film? It's bizarre.I suppose one could ask over at the Intrada forum.I went ahead and asked.Good idea! Why didn't I think of that?The Banquet concert piece from Williams on Williams is exquisite. It's what convinced me to check out the Hook OST. It is a must-own comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 That still looks more real than the one they used in Jaws the Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 That still looks more real than the one they used in Jaws the Revenge.Maybe if you have cataracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Or if you can recognize a bad joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Is the original "Susan Speaks" cue from The Patriot available anywhere?Or I may be thinking of the cue that accompanies the scene at the beginning where the two sisters are looking up at the night sky and reminisching about their dead mother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Orchestration Question:There's an instrument, most likely percussion. It makes a sharp, clicking/clacking sound. Horner uses it a lot in Wrath of Khan. You can hear it in the first few seconds of Surprise Attack.What is the name of this instrument, or how is this sound made?I'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, because it's probably something obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 I think this sound is produced by the string instrumentsthey area) either plucking the strings (pizzicato) of the instrument so hard, that they backlash on the wooden partb) "beat" the strings with the wooden part of their bow - that would be called pizz. col legno - I believec) or a combination of both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 It is also used very effectively in the opening seconds of "Another Thorn" from Damien: Omen II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Any advice on which album of The Magnificent Seven soundtrack I should get?1994:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Hallelujah-Trail/dp/B000001SGU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-21998:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Original-Soundtrack-Enhanced/dp/B00000C40G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-32004:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0001MZ81S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think this sound is produced by the string instrumentsthey area) either plucking the strings (pizzicato) of the instrument so hard, that they backlash on the wooden partb) "beat" the strings with the wooden part of their bow - that would be called pizz. col legno - I believec) or a combination of bothI believe that's correct. The first is snap pizzicato or Bartok pizzicato, and the second is col legno. I'm thinking the TWOK example is probably col legno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Any advice on which album of The Magnificent Seven soundtrack I should get?1994:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Hallelujah-Trail/dp/B000001SGU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-21998:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Original-Soundtrack-Enhanced/dp/B00000C40G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-32004:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0001MZ81S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-1The 1998 & 2004 are the same albums, the original score to the film, in mono. I'd get that one. The only difference is the label. Ryko released it in 1998 and then Varese got the rights to re-issue it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Orchestration Question:There's an instrument, most likely percussion. It makes a sharp, clicking/clacking sound. Horner uses it a lot in Wrath of Khan. You can hear it in the first few seconds of Surprise Attack.What is the name of this instrument, or how is this sound made?I'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, because it's probably something obvious.I was assuming you meant the bits where the wind instruments drop out briefly after their quick intro bit, and the percussionists are hitting their rims with their sticks. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's what I thought we were talking about as well - but I've never played or heard a percussion instrument that makes that sound when you hit the rim, or any other part of it. I still think it's the strings playing col legno and/or with snap pizzicato, and perhaps with some reverb or something added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Orchestration Question:There's an instrument, most likely percussion. It makes a sharp, clicking/clacking sound. Horner uses it a lot in Wrath of Khan. You can hear it in the first few seconds of Surprise Attack.What is the name of this instrument, or how is this sound made?I'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, because it's probably something obvious.I was assuming you meant the bits where the wind instruments drop out briefly after their quick intro bit, and the percussionists are hitting their rims with their sticks. But I could be wrong.Right here at 0:11 - 0:13 is the best example. Or here at 4:07, it is that percussive clacking you here driving the tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Orchestration Question:There's an instrument, most likely percussion. It makes a sharp, clicking/clacking sound. Horner uses it a lot in Wrath of Khan. You can hear it in the first few seconds of Surprise Attack.What is the name of this instrument, or how is this sound made?I'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, because it's probably something obvious.I was assuming you meant the bits where the wind instruments drop out briefly after their quick intro bit, and the percussionists are hitting their rims with their sticks. But I could be wrong.Right here at 0:11 - 0:13 is the best example. Or here at 4:07, it is that percussive clacking you here driving the tempo.Yep, percussionists doing rim shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Fascinating... It's so distinctive sounding. You figure that's about a dozen or so guys tapping the sides of their drums with the sticks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 What on earth does the movie Brazil have to do with Brazil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Yep, percussionists doing rim shots.Well, those are definitely not rim shots. I'll give you the slight chance that they're rim clicks, but rim shots are played by hitting the head of the drum and rim simultaneously with the same stick. The result is TOTALLY different. I suppose it's possible that they're just playing normally on the rim of some sort of drum, but I highly doubt it. What type of drum makes that sort of sound? Certainly not anything with a standard metal rim - not a snare drum, not a tom-tom. Congas and the like have a VERY different sound on the rim...so do timpani...It's gotta be one of the two string techniques mentioned above. For instance, check out . Starting around 2:08, you'll hear some of the same techniques. And in , you hear one violinist playing col legno alone. Or right at 0:48 in , you hear the cellos playing a weird, dissonant chord that's marked slap pizz in the score. (I'm referring to the percussive click at the beginning of that passage, not the normal pizzicato jittering in the violins and violas.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 What on earth does the movie Brazil have to do with Brazil?The title song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 What on earth does the movie Brazil have to do with Brazil?The title song.For some reason Gilliam was attracted to the escapist feel of the jazzy "Brazil." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Yep, percussionists doing rim shots.Well, those are definitely not rim shots. I'll give you the slight chance that they're rim clicks, but rim shots are played by hitting the head of the drum and rim simultaneously with the same stick. The result is TOTALLY different. I suppose it's possible that they're just playing normally on the rim of some sort of drum, but I highly doubt it. What type of drum makes that sort of sound? Certainly not anything with a standard metal rim - not a snare drum, not a tom-tom. Congas and the like have a VERY different sound on the rim...so do timpani...It's gotta be one of the two string techniques mentioned above. For instance, check out . Starting around 2:08, you'll hear some of the same techniques. And in , you hear one violinist playing col legno alone. Or right at 0:48 in , you hear the cellos playing a weird, dissonant chord that's marked slap pizz in the score. (I'm referring to the percussive click at the beginning of that passage, not the normal pizzicato jittering in the violins and violas.)OK, granted I used the wrong word, it should have been rim "clicks". However, I've been in concert bands and marching bands/drum corps where percussionists make the very same sound by doing rim clicks on standard concert or marching drums.It could be a combination of percussion and string hits, I'd buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Anybody know what caused Disney to stop making traditional animated musicals after the rebirth in the 1990s? From what I can tell, most of the 90s animated flicks were both critically and financially incredibly successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 For some reason Gilliam was attracted to the escapist feel of the jazzy "Brazil."So, the whole movie was seriously named after the song, despite having no connection to the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 For some reason Gilliam was attracted to the escapist feel of the jazzy "Brazil."So, the whole movie was seriously named after the song, despite having no connection to the country? That's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 OK, granted I used the wrong word, it should have been rim "clicks". However, I've been in concert bands and marching bands/drum corps where percussionists make the very same sound by doing rim clicks on standard concert or marching drums.It could be a combination of percussion and string hits, I'd buy that.And I've been a percussionist in those concert bands and marching bands, and I'm tellin' you, a rim click doesn't sound like that! It's...a clicking noise, yes, but the similarity stops there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 yeah it is definatly a snap pizz with a col legno hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Fine, I'll shut up now, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Good! Kidding, of course. And there's always the possibility that we're wrong, or that it's some sort of percussion I've never seen, played, or heard of. But based on what I know, I don't think that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Any advice on which album of The Magnificent Seven soundtrack I should get?1994:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Hallelujah-Trail/dp/B000001SGU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-21998:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Original-Soundtrack-Enhanced/dp/B00000C40G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-32004:http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Seven-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0001MZ81S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1276390876&sr=1-1The 1998 & 2004 are the same albums, the original score to the film, in mono. I'd get that one. The only difference is the label. Ryko released it in 1998 and then Varese got the rights to re-issue it.Thanks Mark. I was leaning towards the Varese album but I wanted to see if there were any nuances I should be aware of first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Anybody knows where "Hungry Raptors" (12m2) is supposed to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 What is the source of the Fox fanfare on TPM UE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Anybody knows where "Hungry Raptors" (12m2) is supposed to go?The second half of "Hungry Raptor" (note the singular ) can be heard exactly where it's supposed to be, when Muldoon is hunting the raptor. I believe the first half would have scored the scene right before that, which is when Ellie is escaping from the utility shed, IIRC. Definitely my least favorite unreleased JP cue, but still interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Does anyone have any idea what the section from 2:55 to 3:12 in 'Stealing The Enterprise' was supposed to score? It's cut out in the film, as it transitions straight from the part where they transport to the opening Courage notes. It sounds like it should maybe be for the Excelsior or something, or at least danger music, but that wouldn't make sense as she wasn't alerted until after the Enterprise started moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Does this answer your question?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZBZKqEE-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Thanks, but nope, not really, because whoever did that edited it out as well, like the film. I don't remember it being mentioned in the FSM liner notes either. Maybe Neil knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 This should be in the star trek 3 thread, not the quick question thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Does anyone have any idea what the section from 2:55 to 3:12 in 'Stealing The Enterprise' was supposed to score? It's cut out in the film, as it transitions straight from the part where they transport to the opening Courage notes. It sounds like it should maybe be for the Excelsior or something, or at least danger music, but that wouldn't make sense as she wasn't alerted until after the Enterprise started moving.Charlie,I'm not sure. I don't believe it's been disclosed as to whether or not there were any deleted scenes. I had often wondered if Horner wrote a musical bridge for the album but it's also included in the film version. I don't recall reading anything in FSM's liner notes regarding that section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I'm sure if Marc or Neil want to move it, they will.Does anyone have any idea what the section from 2:55 to 3:12 in 'Stealing The Enterprise' was supposed to score? It's cut out in the film, as it transitions straight from the part where they transport to the opening Courage notes. It sounds like it should maybe be for the Excelsior or something, or at least danger music, but that wouldn't make sense as she wasn't alerted until after the Enterprise started moving.Charlie,I'm not sure. I don't believe it's been disclosed as to whether or not there were any deleted scenes. I had often wondered if Horner wrote a musical bridge for the album but it's also included in the film version. I don't recall reading anything in FSM's liner notes regarding that section.Thanks Mark. Maybe it was a shot in the rough cut they trimmed or something. Or maybe Shatner's toupee got left behind, and did a commando roll into the beam at the last second before it shut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 In the Richard Kaye interview, JW says his first film score was Because They're Young. But all other filmographies indicate that his first is Daddy-O. IS this just another case of JW forgetting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Well, my copy of Star Trek 3 arrived today. I opened it up and was reading the liner notes and immediately found the answer to your question.... not sure why people thought it wasn't answered in the notes?Next comes a brief, dissonant passage (2:55-3:10) not heard in the film, written for a deleted cutaway to David Marcus (Merritt Butrick) and Lt. Saavik (Robin Curtis) in a snowstorm on Genesis, searching for the regenerated Spock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Probably because my eyesight is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 In the Richard Kaye interview, JW says his first film score was Because They're Young. But all other filmographies indicate that his first is Daddy-O. IS this just another case of JW forgetting?Not an answer, but it reminded me... I was at a local concert recently, and the conductor was talking about Williams' career. He mentioned that his first film score was Gidget Goes to Rome. It made for a great punchline, sure, but, y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 How much does Intrada charge for shipping? I've ordered there several times, but I never remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 $3.50 for the first disc, 50 cents for each additional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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