80sFan 108 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Dallas Winds Jerry Junkin, Conductor Christopher Martin, Trumpet Released on July 6, 2018 https://referencerecordings.com/recording/john-williams-at-the-movies/ Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Nice! Love to see Chris Martin performing with them again. I'll be buying this album for sure. Still waiting for the John Mackey trumpet concerto recording by the Dallas Winds and Martin to be released that I helped kickstart last year. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Looking forward to this release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I just realized, isn't this the first official recording of the "With Malice Toward None" concert arrangement performed by Christopher Martin himself? It was written for him and he's performed it in concert many times, but I don't know of a released recording before this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 The band arrangement has been released on Mark Records with the Marine Band and Thomas Hooten as soloist (that release also included the premiere of the Trumpet Concerto revised first movement.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Right. I know there have been recordings released. But this is the first one with Martin as the soloist that I know of. About time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Yes, I believe that is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80sFan 108 Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 An update.... https://referencerecordings.com/coming-next-week-john-williams-at-the-movies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2018 Every JWFan should listen to this today! Martin is such a beautiful performer, his trumpet tone and character is unrivaled. SteveMc, Incanus and Breadstick Basilisk 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,725 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I love the spacious recording as well. Martin has such beautiful sound to his playing. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Also, only tangentially related, but here's a nice short video profile of Martin from the NY Phil Youtube from just a couple of months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 The Star Wars tracks are the proof that very few conductors can handle all the tempi changes in John Williams's partitions. These are among the worse versions I listened too. Sooooo amateurish. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 They didn't sound so bad to me. Outside of "With Malice Toward None," I was particularly pleased the CE3K suite, Jedi Steps, and the JFK theme. That CE3K wind band arrangement is very interesting, and the performance of the JFK theme is fantastic. I just wish, as I always do, that they had gone with the quiet celeste ending for Jedi Steps instead of the big flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Bespin said: The Star Wars tracks are the proof that very few conductors can handle all the tempi changes in John Williams's partitions. These are among the worse versions I listened too. Sooooo amateurish. Oh dear, I was planning to pick this up. I'm interested to hear these arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 They are on Spotify. You are an amateur of music in 2018 and you're not on Spotify. WTF? 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yeah the specialty labels are the only ones who don’t let you “try before you buy” these days. Of course I know I’m quite an anomaly, someone who will still buy an album digitally if I like it enough from streaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Yeah the specialty labels are the only ones who don’t let you “try before you buy” these days. Of course I know I’m quite an anomaly, someone who will still buy an album digitally if I like it enough from streaming. False, a lot of Geffen reissues and La-La-Lands reissues are now on Spotify. And many new recent remastered versions are only available online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: False, a lot of Geffen reissues and La-La-Lands reissues are now on Spotify. Exceptions that prove the rule! Also, Geffen is not a specialty soundtrack label Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Exceptions that prove the rule! Also, Geffen is not a specialty soundtrack label No But they reissue a lot of great quality stuff! search on my discography page, what are the most recent reissues, you will now the Record Labels to look for. https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1536&bih=759&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=l-o_W_r6B-fp_Qbbg4XgAw&q="geffen+records"+soundtrack+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Falbum&oq="geffen+records"+soundtrack+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Falbum&gs_l=img.3...2707.2707.0.2968.1.1.0.0.0.0.53.53.1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.0.0....0.kKZ66eDFv2U https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1536&bih=759&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=bOo_W8jZH6Kd_QbT6ZSYBQ&q="la-la+land+records"+soundtrack+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Falbum&oq="la-la+land+records"+soundtrack+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Falbum&gs_l=img.3...57105.58373.0.59126.11.11.0.0.0.0.125.833.8j3.11.0....0...1c.1.64.img..3.0.0....0.GcS3yj1vSPQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Bespin said: The Star Wars tracks are the proof that very few conductors can handle all the tempi changes in John Williams's partitions. These are among the worse versions I listened too. Sooooo amateurish. I wonder if that's some kind of sense of humor thing... Because I hardly find this amateurish. Hey, even WCRB considered this their disc of the week! And the Dallas Winds is one of US top bands. airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: I wonder if that's some kind of sense of humor thing... Because I hardly find this amateurish. Hey, even WCRB considered this their disc of the week! And the Dallas Winds is one of US top bands. Have you listen to the Star Wars Main Theme and the Jedi Steps and finale? Seriously? I don't ctriticize the playing of the band, but the conductor. To the rest of the group: It's okay, you can now return to your usual business and discuss about the "the sound". 😎 "The sound"... "the sound"... of course... "the sound"! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Bespin said: Have you listen to the Star Wars Main Theme and the Jedi Steps and finale? Seriously? I don't ctriticize the playing of the band, but the conductor. But it's okay, group... you can now return to your usuall business and discuss about the "the sound". 😎 "The sound"... "the sound"... of course... "the sound"! 😉 What the heck do you mean with that? "The Sound"? And I don't have any issues with different approach to tempi. And if one does not like a particular performance, be glad that so much of this music has been recorded ad nauseam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: What the heck do you mean with that? "The Sound"? And I don't have any issues with different approach to tempi. And if one does not like a particular performance, be glad that so much of this music has been recorded ad nauseam... I was not answering directly at you Miguel 🙂 But I also know that you love "eveything" being totally unable of telling if you like more "A" or "B". 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: I was not answering directly at you Miguel 🙂 Ah, ok! Just didn't understood the sentence! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 10:49 PM, Bespin said: These are among the worse versions I listened too. You're so right. The record is pretty awful. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Obi said: You're so right. The record is pretty awful. I talked about the tempi transitions in the Star Wars tracks, don't put words in my mouth. This Junkin is not the first one who don't understand the change of tempi in John Williams's writing. But I mean, in 2018, why record such bad versions? If he wanted to show us he really don't know Star Wars music, he could not do better! aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 We really can't be listening to the same thing... airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: We really can't be listening to the same thing... With all my respect, I would not expect anything else from a guy who always love "everything" equally. 😜 You know what they say? Musical tastes do not discuss! But as an Herbert Von Karajan fan... the transitions, the musical flow of the different parts of an orchestral work, the tempi... they are very important things to me. And John Williams write works which often contains some tricky tempi changes. You usually realize that when you heard bad interpretations of his works. So... it was just my two cents. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think you just don’t like wind bands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I think you just don’t like wind bands You don't know I was a clarinet player in a wind band... it was in another life, of course! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Took a listen to this record yesterday. Quite alright, I suppose. The ensemble did seem a bit unsure with the tempi in spots. I think they took things too slow from time to time, like in Adventures in Earth, which slows down to a crawl just when it shouldn't. I was not enthused with the Star Wars portions, but CE3K was quite good, "With Malice Towards None" very good, and JFK excellent. Enjoyable overall. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 "This Junkin" is one of the most highly respected conductors in the country, in both wind band and orchestral circles; the fact that you don't know his name says a lot more about you than it does about him. Different conductors have different takes on the limitless interpretations of every piece of music. Just because you don't personally like it doesn't make it wrong or "amateurish" (which it most certainly is not). Certainly you've heard the recording of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" on Williams' album "Out of this World" with the Boston Pops, right? It is painfully slow. Does that mean that "This Williams" is an amateur because he conducted it differently than Goldsmith? No, of course not. FYI: I think the album is fine - great playing (I have several friends in that group), but no I don't love Jerry's tempi either in some places. I actually agree with you on those points Bespin, but just please be careful when you make unfounded assumptions. Amer and Jediwashington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 He's respected, good for him. He just can't play Star Wars music. That's the only thing I said! 😉 I forgot Adventures on Earth from E.T. was on the album too. That's another score with pieces using very tricky changes of tempi. You know, when he released his last album, I said Keith Lockhart was definitely a very good interpret of John Williams, it meaned a lot. There are not so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,267 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Bespin said: With all my respect, I would not expect anything else from a guy who always love "everything" equally. 😜 That's hardly respectful and I do take offense on the insinuation, with or without funny emoticon on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: That's hardly respectful and I do take offense on the insinuation, with or without funny emoticon on it. That was the answer to your condescending comment that just came before. One too many. No emoticon this time. Anyway, I don't want to start a war with you here, our artistic tastes are obviously not the same, it is no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediwashington 59 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 12:21 PM, airmanjerm said: "This Junkin" is one of the most highly respected conductors in the country, in both wind band and orchestral circles; the fact that you don't know his name says a lot more about you than it does about him. Different conductors have different takes on the limitless interpretations of every piece of music. Just because you don't personally like it doesn't make it wrong or "amateurish" (which it most certainly is not). Certainly you've heard the recording of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" on Williams' album "Out of this World" with the Boston Pops, right? It is painfully slow. Does that mean that "This Williams" is an amateur because he conducted it differently than Goldsmith? No, of course not. FYI: I think the album is fine - great playing (I have several friends in that group), but no I don't love Jerry's tempi either in some places. I actually agree with you on those points Bespin, but just please be careful when you make unfounded assumptions. Yeah... I had to laugh at the Junkin shade being thrown in this thread - They'd be thrown out of Texas for even suggesting Jerry performed a wrong tempo! I also know Jerry well enough to know he's going the marked tempo. If the group is responsive enough is another story, not to mention that Williams rarely follows his own tempo markings to the millisecond for live performances. He'll vary by a bit and move around with the group. You can't do that on a sound stage though. His lyrical slow stuff has quite a bit of stretching on beat 4 to make a hit point on one, etc. If anything, I think Williams is the worse of the two conductors here if you're going by gesture (and he would probably agree), BUT Williams is an excellent music director with an ear and knack for understanding little musical "moments" and how they fit in the whole that I would put up against any great conductor in history. He's certainly a perfectionist for intonation and blend when it comes to recording. It would be a blast to hear Williams record some famous romantic symphonies on a stage just to see what he pulls out vs others. airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I really enjoyed listening through this. LOVED Christopher's playing in the Lincoln track, what a beautiful trumpet sound. I liked hearing band versions of The Cowboys Overture, CE3K, and Harry Potter. airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, MrJosh said: I really enjoyed listening through this. LOVED Christopher's playing in the Lincoln track, what a beautiful trumpet sound. I liked hearing band versions of The Cowboys Overture, CE3K, and Harry Potter. No Potter on this album, but I’ve always thought “Window to the Past” would work wonderful as a band arrangement. Is there a published concert arrangement for that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I like Chris Martin, he's an amazing player. But I prefer Tom Hooten's version of With Malice towards none. Maybe JW conducting the recording helped. I'll be performing the trumpet and piano version in the next couple of months for a recital, and the Hooten version will be my reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I listened to this album on Youtube. Although the Dallas Winds and their conductor could have benefited from a bit more rehearsal time, overall, I was impressed with their performances. (The 'building and climax' section of The Imperial March is among the best of all available recordings of the piece.) Unfortunately, the sound as presented is shockingly disappointing in most of the selections: poor mixing (changes mid-track, distant-sounding instruments, unnatural balance, acoustical changes) and mastering (reduced treble, hard-limiting, clicks/pops, mid-track volume level changes). The album sounds like was over-produced to the point of disaster. A single-point, stereo, Y-orientation, microphone about 10-feet behind the conductor and 10-feet high - with the recording completely untouched - would have resulted in a substantially better presentation. I was considering purchasing the Hybrid SACD of the album, but these sound issues are deal-breakers for me. Can anyone confirm that the paid version has these issues? airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Didn't you abandon this site? Why are you back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Who said I abandoned the site? Like all members of JWFan, I'm here to converse with fans of John Williams and his music. Why did you ask me that question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Sounds very interesting. Not your typical orchestral flourishes here and there but this looks like a very decent performance overall. I'm getting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 8:36 AM, Mattris said: I listened to this album on Youtube. Although the Dallas Winds and their conductor could have benefited from a bit more rehearsal time, overall, I was impressed with their performances. (The 'building and climax' section of The Imperial March is among the best of all available recordings of the piece.) Unfortunately, the sound as presented is shockingly disappointing in most of the selections: poor mixing (changes mid-track, distant-sounding instruments, unnatural balance, acoustical changes) and mastering (reduced treble, hard-limiting, clicks/pops, mid-track volume level changes). The album sounds like was over-produced to the point of disaster. A single-point, stereo, Y-orientation, microphone about 10-feet behind the conductor and 10-feet high - with the recording completely untouched - would have resulted in a substantially better presentation. I was considering purchasing the Hybrid SACD of the album, but these sound issues are deal-breakers for me. Can anyone confirm that the paid version has these issues? I'm told the SACD doesn't sound that well and has issues. I dunno if they are the same as you describe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 They must be. It's not a coincidence that the Youtube uploads and disc releases have both been reported to have major sound issues. The band and conductor performed admirably, so it's really a shame that the sound engineers/producers turned out a stinker of an album. I feel it's so bad that Reference Recordings should re-issue the album - with free replacements for the early purchasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I purchased the CD and listened to my FLACs this morning. Wow what are all thoses clicks? I have read the previous posts... so it’s not only my copy?... 🤔 I will have to manually declick pretty much all the tracks to make this album listenable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I've listened to this album 10 times at least and haven't noticed any clicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Strange. Did you tried with headphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: Strange. Did you tried with headphones? Yes, no clicks. Nothing super noticeable at least, like with The Post. I didn't buy the CD, I bought it digitally direct from Reference Recordings, the '44.1 kHZ/16 Bit Apple Lossless' option, which I then converted to 320 MP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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