Man Of Steel (2013 Superman reboot directed by Zack Snyder)

[Miguel Andrade 1,728]

And no "Man of Stell" to watch in theatre for me...

Same here. I saw the trailer the other day, and already had my mind made.

For me Superman is as Donner and Reeve and Williams created him. Everything else is no Superman. But, hey, if it pleases today's audiences, with Zimmer's muzak, good for them.

[Quintus 6,499]

Nah, I've accepted that they must move on from Williams now. It's too outdated for Snyder's contemporary version..

However, LotR music and Zimmer power anthems? Bollocks to that.

[russds 8]

I think it's interesting (and a testament to how fantastic the JW score is) that the fact that John Williams' score isn't going to be used is news worthy. It's like saying, Yes, for a long time Superman has been synonymous with the JW theme, this is a big deal, but we are just going in a different direction and not going to use Williams' themes.

I don't know of any other super hero movie, or even movie/saga for that matter getting the same attention to the score, and that purposefulness of going in a new direction, and in order for that to happen using a different theme than JW. Elfman's batman theme was great, but I never heard news about any of the reboots not using his score, and that getting much attention.

The superman score is one of my favorites, such a classic.

[Thor 9,362]

Nah, I've accepted that they must move on from Williams now. It's too outdated for Snyder's contemporary version..

What he said.

Not that it wouldn't have been fun to have a veiled cameo of the Wiliams theme at some point, if only in the end credits or something. But this is a totally different film that requires a totally different music aesthetic. I'm perfectly fine with omitting the famous theme in this case. The Williams score and theme aren't going anywhere.

[Wojo 2,458]

But this is a totally different film that requires a totally different music aesthetic. I'm perfectly fine with omitting the famous theme in this case. The Williams score and theme aren't going anywhere.

This.

[Bryant Burnette 790]

I couldn't possibly care less that the Williams theme isn't going to be used. Actually, that's not true; I'm glad it isn't going to be used. I'd rather this movie have its own identity, and not be constantly reminding me of the earlier films.

I just hope the damn thing ends up being good. I'm not terribly optimistic, though.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

hanz zimmer will do something awesome, yessssss.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

God forbid that Lois asks Superman why are you here.

"I don't know, why are you asking me this stuff?"

Arn't you here for truth, justice, and the American way?

"Hell No, your Colonel Hardy has already tried to kill me."

What color underwear am I wearing?

"Lady what the hell is your problem, I don't care what color your...oh the carpet does match the drapes."

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

and he uses the same word for williams theme.

Meaning he is comparing the two as equals...

[Matt C 605]

It was pretty evident Williams' theme wasn't in the cards -- as early as two years ago. When Nolan got involved I knew he was going to clean house, musically, so why is this news?

WB are hoping that the film will do Batman money, but I'm afraid the Superman character is already dead in the heart of many ticket buyers. You can feel it when roaming the net.

That's the case right now. I'm still irritated WB opted for a vague teaser... a slightly-edited version of the Comic Con sizzle reel would've changed a lot of people's minds. Right now, the teaser for MOS is just eliciting a "meh" from almost everyone.

WB can market some of their properties correctly -- see their Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit franchises -- but they're mixed in marketing their comic-book films. Even Green Lantern's teaser wasn't as vague as the MOS' teaser.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,391]

Vague? In what way?

[Wycket 36]

They're trying to sell superman so they show him on a fishing boat. If it were Aquaman alright, but Superman.

Hell, they could have just showed him walking down the streets of Metropolis into the Planet and have gotten a better affect.

[Wojo 2,458]

They're trying to sell superman so they show him on a fishing boat. If it were Aquaman alright, but Superman.

Hell, they could have just showed him walking down the streets of Metropolis into the Planet and have gotten a better affect.

Aquaman would be under the fishing boat, either catching the fish himself or trying to protect them against evil fish eaters.

What's wrong with Superman working a stint on what could be one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet, and thus be an excellent testing ground for his powers?

If all you people want this to be the Donner movie...go watch the Donner movie!

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

They're trying to sell superman so they show him on a fishing boat. If it were Aquaman alright, but Superman.

Hell, they could have just showed him walking down the streets of Metropolis into the Planet and have gotten a better affect.

What's wrong with Superman working a stint on what could be one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet, and thus be an excellent testing ground for his powers?

Yeah, why not?

Except that Kansas, being in the middle of the States is very very far from the nearest sea.. so i doubt clark woud ever think on working there.. psecially if he is supposed to be a jornalist.... i just think that Clark joins a fishing crew in order to reach to reach the artic-> fortress of solitude.

[mrbellamy 8,245]

I couldn't possibly care less that the Williams theme isn't going to be used. Actually, that's not true; I'm glad it isn't going to be used. I'd rather this movie have its own identity, and not be constantly reminding me of the earlier films.

Agreed. That was one of the big problems with Superman Returns. Donner and Williams had their turn and set the bar, now it's best to just let Snyder/Zimmer create their own interpretation without feeling like they have to be constantly referencing what's come before. It just chains down the movie.

[Wojo 2,458]

Except that Kansas, being in the middle of the States is very very far from the nearest sea.. so i doubt clark woud ever think on working there.. psecially if he is supposed to be a jornalist.... i just think that Clark joins a fishing crew in order to reach to reach the artic-> fortress of solitude.

Everything you just said indicates how heavily you still see Superman through the eyes of Donner's movie.

[Matt C 605]

Vague? In what way?

You honestly don't know what the movie is about... right until the big 'S' symbol shows up and you see Superman breaking the sound barrier. (You get a vague sense of this Superman purposely isolating himself from the rest of the world because of his abilities, and that's it.) The teaser at Comic Con showed a Superman unlike one we've seen in the Donner and Singer films -- Superman being arrested, the military's mistrust of him, and scenes like that. Plus it did have a great action tease, which meant this Superman throws punches.

I'm not saying WB should've cut a too spoiler-happy trailer, but this official teaser isn't winning people over. They still have close to a year to fix that, but that was a big misstep.

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

Except that Kansas, being in the middle of the States is very very far from the nearest sea.. so i doubt clark woud ever think on working there.. psecially if he is supposed to be a jornalist.... i just think that Clark joins a fishing crew in order to reach to reach the artic-> fortress of solitude.

Everything you just said indicates how heavily you still see Superman through the eyes of Donner's movie.

So they are just not rebooting the film franchise, they are rebooting the whole character and backstory... clark is not going to be a journalist and smallvile is a shoreside town?

[Wojo 2,458]

I give up.

[crocodile 9,724]

The film is probably going to be something like this or this in tone, I predict. It's how they portray him these days. It might even resemble the short story David S. Goyer (screenwriter of Man of Steel) wrote quite recently for the 800th issue of Action Comics.

Karol

[Thor 9,362]

Vague? In what way?

You honestly don't know what the movie is about... right until the big 'S' symbol shows up and you see Superman breaking the sound barrier. (You get a vague sense of this Superman purposely isolating himself from the rest of the world because of his abilities, and that's it.) The teaser at Comic Con showed a Superman unlike one we've seen in the Donner and Singer films -- Superman being arrested, the military's mistrust of him, and scenes like that. Plus it did have a great action tease, which meant this Superman throws punches.

I'm not saying WB should've cut a too spoiler-happy trailer, but this official teaser isn't winning people over. They still have close to a year to fix that, but that was a big misstep.

I thought the teaser was absolutely fantastic....almost a riff on Terence Malick. It certainly made me even more optimistic about the whole thing. I was dreading Snyder's overboard histrionics from stuff like SUCKER PUNCH.

[Matt C 605]

I thought the teaser was absolutely fantastic....almost a riff on Terence Malick. It certainly made me even more optimistic about the whole thing. I was dreading Snyder's overboard histrionics from stuff like SUCKER PUNCH.

Some of the touches (like the Malick-esque shots on the farmland) were nice, but WB should've been more aggressive with marketing this as a Superman you haven't seen before.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

I was going to respond to your initial disappointment earlier up, but you already answered yourself, Matt. It's a teaser, meaning it's meant to tease. You see everything and unless you know what you're watching you're unaware it's Superman. Then the 'S' comes. Does that not make you go "Ooooh, this will be different, I want to see more?"

And like you said, it's a year away from release. Expect heavy marketing when it's remotely close to the release date. The Dark Knight's first teaser was the bat logo with some dialogue laid over. It didn't show a wink of footage.

[A24 5,156]

Some of the touches (like the Malick-esque shots on the farmland) were nice, but WB should've been more aggressive with marketing this as a Superman you haven't seen before.

At this early stage, they don't want to scare away too many people.

OTOH, it might be much more classic Supes than we expect, even with the hands of Snyder and Nolan on the wheel. Perhaps it will be nothing more than the retelling of Donner's movie but without the occasional Clark Kent goofiness. He won't say things like: "That's swell, Louis."

[MSM 194]

I think we will regard Bryan SInger's film as a masterpiece after we have seen this.

Singer's film suffured from a poor story and a weak Superman actor, but otherwisely it proved that JW's music sounds never outdated and that Superman can be 'updated' perfectly without losing the character and the music that we know so well.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[crocodile 9,724]

Yeah, I was devastated that they didn't use this theme for Richard Donner's film.

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Karol

[Wojo 2,458]

I wish they'd use Teri Hatcher for a Lois Lane flash-forward.

[KK 3,313]

I don't understand how this is news. Wasn't it confirmed a long time ago that we won't be hearing Williams' theme. And although I stand by the idea that Superman can't fly without his theme, this movie is a clean slate which requires new music. I don't expect it to have Williams' theme and I'm perfectly fine with it and encourage its absence even.

Although I would have liked to hear some sort of short cameo of the theme, at the end or something.

[A24 5,156]

I hope Otis gets his ville now.

[Wojo 2,458]

Otis shouldn't be in this movie.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,391]

Why not. It's just an iddy bitty place!

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Some of the touches (like the Malick-esque shots on the farmland) were nice, but WB should've been more aggressive with marketing this as a Superman you haven't seen before.

At this early stage, they don't want to scare away too many people.

OTOH, it might be much more classic Supes than we expect, even with the hands of Snyder and Nolan on the wheel. Perhaps it will be nothing more than the retelling of Donner's movie but without the occasional Clark Kent goofiness. He won't say things like: "That's swell, Louis."

he never did.

clarks goofiness was what separated clark from Superman.

I seriously doubt Snyder and Nolan will have one perfect scene like in Superman where Clark realizes just how different his two sides are.

[Wojo 2,458]

Some of the touches (like the Malick-esque shots on the farmland) were nice, but WB should've been more aggressive with marketing this as a Superman you haven't seen before.

At this early stage, they don't want to scare away too many people.

OTOH, it might be much more classic Supes than we expect, even with the hands of Snyder and Nolan on the wheel. Perhaps it will be nothing more than the retelling of Donner's movie but without the occasional Clark Kent goofiness. He won't say things like: "That's swell, Louis."

he never did.

clarks goofiness was what separated clark from Superman.

I wouldn't expect you to cut alexcremers any slack, but he remembered the key word of the conversation, "swell."

[Clark and Lois are leaving the Daily Planet]

Lois Lane: So how did you enjoy your first day on the job?

Clark Kent: Frankly the hours were somewhat longer than I expected, but meeting you and Jimmy and Mr. White on the whole I think it's just swell.

Lois Lane: Swell? You know, Clark, there are very few people left in the world these days who sound comfortable saying that word.

Clark Kent: What word?

Lois Lane: "Swell".

Clark Kent: Really? It just sort of comes naturally to me.

If Clark's goofiness is required to stop people from seeing straight through his ridiculous disguise of glasses and a different hairstyle to realize that CK is Superman, then so be it. Me, I take my glasses off and can only dream that I would look different enough to confuse people, but it never happens.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Some of the touches (like the Malick-esque shots on the farmland) were nice, but WB should've been more aggressive with marketing this as a Superman you haven't seen before.

At this early stage, they don't want to scare away too many people.

OTOH, it might be much more classic Supes than we expect, even with the hands of Snyder and Nolan on the wheel. Perhaps it will be nothing more than the retelling of Donner's movie but without the occasional Clark Kent goofiness. He won't say things like: "That's swell, Louis."

he never did.

clarks goofiness was what separated clark from Superman.

I wouldn't expect you to cut alexcremers any slack, but he remembered the key word of the conversation, "swell."

[Clark and Lois are leaving the Daily Planet]

Lois Lane: So how did you enjoy your first day on the job?

Clark Kent: Frankly the hours were somewhat longer than I expected, but meeting you and Jimmy and Mr. White on the whole I think it's just swell.

Lois Lane: Swell? You know, Clark, there are very few people left in the world these days who sound comfortable saying that word.

Clark Kent: What word?

Lois Lane: "Swell".

Clark Kent: Really? It just sort of comes naturally to me.

If Clark's goofiness is required to stop people from seeing straight through his ridiculous disguise of glasses and a different hairstyle to realize that CK is Superman, then so be it. Me, I take my glasses off and can only dream that I would look different enough to confuse people, but it never happens.

when you take your glasses off you can't see well enough to know if people are confused.

yes alex got swell right, but who is Louis?

[A24 5,156]

Wow, I got the 'swell' right. I'm still working on the girl's name but it's a hard movie to crack.

[Wojo 2,458]

Very true, Joey. I can't.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Wow, I got the 'swell' right. I'm still working on the girl's name but it's a hard movie to crack.

well Louis is played by amy adams this time around.

[MSM 194]

Singer's film suffured from a poor story and a weak Superman actor, but otherwisely it proved that JW's music sounds never outdated and that Superman can be 'updated' perfectly without losing the character and the music that we know so well.

I think people are forgetting that Superman originally is a comic book character, so why should Williams' theme, which was composed for one adaptation (and its sequels), be attached to every adaptation of that comic book?

Yes, I'm as concerned as most of you regarding the score, knowing who is in charge of composing it, but I think Zimmer has no obligation whatsoever to use that theme.

Well some adaptations really set the standard. John Williams music is so much a classic it cannot just be ignored IMO in any new adaptations, which shouldn't be made lightly anyway. Like certain recordings of music are regarded the definite recordings, JW's theme is the definite Superman theme. Anything else would be either derivative or unfitiing.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[crocodile 9,724]

Maybe they should just temp track it with classical music?

Karol

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[MSM 194]

You know what? You're quite right. And I think all film composers should stop writing music. Obviously, JW wrote the definite film score with ESB. Anything else would be either derivative or unfitting.

Very true, if they were to remake ESB.

Yeah, but only with Mozart's music. Any other classical music would be derivative and unfitting, obviously.

Just wait until you hear Hans Zimmer's score, you.

[Wojo 2,458]

Yeah, but only with Mozart's music. Any other classical music would be derivative and unfitting, obviously.

Are you then saying that Mozart was integral to classical music?

[gkgyver 1,647]

Are people suggesting Zimmer's music might be derivative? That is preposterous ...!

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

will superman have a theme like batman or a march (like Lois & Clark) that is not the williams composition but has a similar flair to it? will they go that far as not to use a march-fanfare?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[crocodile 9,724]

Superman will receive a minuet this time to accentuate his dance-like sky frolicking and also his ever changing mood.

Karol

[gkgyver 1,647]

Will Zimmer dare using a trumpet this time around?

I mean, he used one for Dark Knight Rises. It was for the villain, ironically enough, but it's a step forward.

[stewdog1 50]

Recorder. 'nough said.