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    Bayesian reacted to Remco in Star Wars IX The Rise of Skywalker (JJ Abrams 2019) - NO SPOILERS ALLOWED   
    What you’re referring to is most likely the so called ‘deceptive cadence’, where the music goes from the dominant (V) to VI instead of the expected tonic (I).
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    Bayesian reacted to mrbellamy in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Final Predictions (NO SPOILERS)   
    You can do it with anything more or less
     
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in The Official Quartet Records Thread   
    Koray forces everyone to click to an outside website to obtain information; I included the information directly in my post so no one has to... and I'M the rude one?

    What upside world have I woken up into today?  Did this morning's Korean spambots wreck your brains?
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    Bayesian reacted to Falstaft in A Williams hallmark: the brass combo for characters dying/falling   
    Definitely a little mini-trope, yep! Here's some more, just from Star Wars. Most don't follow every technique you listed exactly, but they're doing quite similar stuff. Williams never misses an opportunity for literal-minded mickey mousing when it comes to characters plummeting to their doom.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Tydirium in A Williams hallmark: the brass combo for characters dying/falling   
    Not sure how many others here have picked up on this, but it recently occurred to me that one of Williams' go-tos when it comes to scoring a character who is dying or falling, appears to be a sustained trumpet note, followed by some sort of trombone interjection/hit and then finally joined by French horns noodling around relatively atonally. Here are three examples from STAR WARS to help show what I'm talking about:
     
     
     
     
    Are there other examples of this that you can think of? Would be cool to collect all the instances for which he does this.
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    Bayesian reacted to King Mark in Music From The Star Wars Saga by Robert Ziegler & the Slovak National Symphony Orchestra - debut studio recording of new Han Solo and the Princess arrangement   
    Edit:ok, I listened to it. It's the best performance of the revised Han Solo and the Princess so far and in studio quality. Very happy to have this.  Always remember some of Williams unique concert pieces still don't have studios recordings after many years  (like Irina's Theme) so it could be the only recording we ever get.
     
    I like Williams August 2018 Tanglewood performance but this one is better and sounds more like Williams might have conducted it for an album and not like a crappy second rate re-recording we have a lot of the time.
     
    Williams plays it faster at 5 minutes vs 6 minutes on this album (But Williams always screws up his intended tempo at live concerts). Dirk Brosse and LSO was too slow at 7 minutes.This speed is a good middleground
     
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    Oooh, I had never seen that word "fallow" before so I looked it up, and like it!
     
    I'll never understand why so many people on this forum don't care for the IJ4 score.  Well, I can understand if you only heard the OST.  Once you hear the complete score it's so clear he actually did a great job scoring that film, it's just that the film is terrible and the OST is a very very bad representation of the whole score.
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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in Music From The Star Wars Saga by Robert Ziegler & the Slovak National Symphony Orchestra - debut studio recording of new Han Solo and the Princess arrangement   
    Listening on Spotify now!

    BTW, the physical CD is only $7.27 on Amazon US
     
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZW8WPP9/
     
    OK, the recording of Han Solo and the Princess is pretty great!  Only thing I didn't like was the sound of the bells (?) towards the end.
     
    On Parade of the Ewoks now, and it has the fun concert opening, like on the Gerhardt album
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    Bayesian got a reaction from SteveMc in What public homage/award to Williams would make you feel the most happy?   
    OBE and Legion of Honor would be lovely.
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    Bayesian reacted to toothless in 2020 Oscars - Best Original Score predictions   
    The sound of Joker works really great. But it should be nominated for Best sound design, not best original score. And I'm not saying this to diminish its craft or effectiveness. Just that many recent entries in the original score categories are neither originale nor score.
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    Bayesian reacted to Disco Stu in 2020 Oscars - Best Original Score predictions   
    You are projecting emotions and extreme egotism on to Williams that are simply untrue I think.  He regularly attends film score focused events like the BMI awards as well as the Oscars.  He’s obviously very invested in the industry that he has been a part of since 1955 at least.  He has been known to send congratulatory notes to winners of the Best Original Score Oscar.  I know Giacchino received one in 2010.
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    Bayesian reacted to TownerFan in 2020 Oscars - Best Original Score predictions   
    It seems 2019 has been a pretty decent year for Hollywood film music. Quite a few interesting scores both by veterans and emerging composers, so I think there is latitude to see a nice group of people being nominated at next year's Oscars for Best Score. Of course we haven't heard some of those yet (mostly Williams' TROS and Tom Newman's 1917), but it's not hard to imagine they will end up in many Best of the Year lists. So, based on award buzz, industry talk and my own common sense, here's my predictions of which scores will be nominated next January (which are not necessarily my own favourites of course):
     
    Joker - Hildur Guðnadóttir
    Marriage Story - Randy Newman
    1917 - Thomas Newman
    Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - John Williams
    Us - Michael Abels
     
    Runner-ups:
     
    Avengers: Endgame - Alan Silvestri
    Frozen II - Christophe Beck
    Little Women - Alexandre Desplat
    Toy Story 4 - Randy Newman
     
    Potential Threats:
     
    Harriet - Terence Blanchard
    A Hidden Life - James Newton Howard
    How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World - John Powell
    The Irishman - Robbie Robertson
    Jojo Rabbit - Michael Giacchino
     
    The most likely winner imho is Guðnadóttir's Joker and it's easy to imagine why: the film was beloved by critics and audience, the score got mentioned and noticed by many people, and Hildur's popularity skyrocketed thanks to this score and her work on Chernobyl (plus, she's a woman, and we know how this also plays a role in Hollywood's politics nowadays). But perhaps this is going to be finally Tom Newman's time for his long overdue statuette and the score for Sam Mendes' war epic got a lot of positive buzz and mentions in the first reviews that came out last week. However, Randy Newman's exquisite Marriage Story is a major threat, as it's a great score by a beloved industry veteran who still has to win for original score. Michael Abels' effective score for Us has also been noticed and well-reviewed and it might be an almost sure-fire nomination. John Williams' last Star Wars score will certainly get the token nomination, but the chance of winning are likely very remote (but perhaps Disney/LFL will campaign hard to try getting JW his sixth statuette).
     
    As for the runner-ups, Desplat is probably the most likely nominee, as he's an Academy favourite and the film is getting great reviews and buzz. Disney might push Frozen II to get a score nomination this time (the first movie ended up being disqualified for the usage of pre-existing music) and the film is already a hit. Silvestri's Avengers might also be a good nominee given the film's popularity and the fact he's well-respected by his peers.
     
    The potential "threats" are all films and scores that got positive reviews and/or are associated with films that got award buzz, so perhaps a few of them might end up mixing the cards.
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    Bayesian reacted to Bryant Burnette in What public homage/award to Williams would make you feel the most happy?   
    All I know is that when the unfortunately-inevitable passing happens, if the Oscars forget him during the In Memoriam sequence, I will be in the streets armed with a machete a few minutes later.
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    Bayesian reacted to mrbellamy in The Rise of Skywalker (Disney Records OST coming Friday, December 20th, 2019)   
    I would have been like this the whole way home 
     

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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    Samples and direct order link: https://lalalandrecords.com/disaster-movie-soundtrack-collection-music-by-john-williams-limited-edition-4-cd-box-set/
     
    Poseidon samples:
     
    1 Main Title ++ 2:16
    4 Raising The Christmas Tree  1:32
    8 The Upturned Galley ++  1:16
    13 Saving Robin  1:26
    15 Hold Your Breath 3:09
    21 The Morning After  (Vocal Version 1) + 
     
    Towering Inferno samples:
     
    1 Main Title (Film Version) 5:07
    5 More For Susan 1:57
    12 Facing The Flames  3:33
    15 Departmental Pride And The Cat 1:03
    21 The Door Opens And The Hot Wire 2:56
    24 The Helicopter Explodes 2:34
    26 Hanging 1:47
    30 The Solution 2:50
    33 Finale 3:58
    7 An Architect’s Dream – End Cast (Alternate) 3:31
    8 We May Never Love Like This Again (Film Version) + 2:07
    14 Maggie Shoots Pool 2:58
    18 Lisolette And Harlee 2:35
    20 Trapped Lovers  4:32
    24 Planting The Charges And Finale 10:25
     
    Earthquake samples:
     
    2 Miles On Wheels  2:29
    7 Love Theme  2:27
    11 Watching And Waiting / Sam’s Rescue  2:42
    15 Earthquake — Main Title  2:45
    21 Jody’s Trophies / Sam's Private Thoughts  1:57
    28 The Tunnel  2:35
    29 Washed Away  1:30
    32 Refugees And Looters (Alternate)  2:00
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Disco Stu in Minority Report - 2CD Expanded Edition from La-La Land Records now available   
    Allow me to sincerely review the posts of Jurassic Shark....
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    Bayesian reacted to Bowie in What's your dream title of a book on JW?   
    In all seriousness, this is the most fitting title.
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    Bayesian reacted to crumbs in Black Friday 2019 JW prediction poll   
    Scores recorded outside LA aren't affected by this issue, so even if ROTS were a post-2005 score there would be no issue expanding it.
     
    The 3 sequel trilogy scores will incur heavy fees to expand though, as they were all LA recordings.. and when you consider how extensive the ST sessions have been, and the volume of music recorded, the total cost to record these scores would far exceed any of JW's other post-2005 scores (but hopefully waved through as loose change by Disney).
     
    The real shame here is the lack of a sliding date, which locks scores to these fees regardless of time passed (so much for thinking +10 or +20 years meant a fee reduction). So these scores are effectively off-limits to small labels forever now.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from JTWfan77 in Black Friday 2019 JW prediction poll   
    This additional insight would appear to put the last nail in the coffin regarding any hopes for score expansions beyond WOTW. At least ROTS made the cut, so the prequel box set is still in play. 
     
    Silver lining: Until AFM’s lawyers come to their senses and revise the terms, the specialty labels’ focus will be on mining the back catalog, and that’s not a bad thing. Plenty of JW there to expand.
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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in Black Friday 2019 JW prediction poll   
    Mike Matessino has provided me with a more detailed explanation of this that I can share:
     
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Marc in THE LAST JEDI - Complete Isolated Score stream available via Movies Anywhere   
    Okay that's what I thought !
    Quite frustrating for us europeans 
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    Bayesian got a reaction from The Five Tones in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    I estimate that's about $400-500 worth of factory-pressed polycarbonate in your hand. You ought to hang onto all of it. The release of this new box set doesn't change the fact that those particular CDs are still rare and OOP. JW appreciation is only growing. CDs are dying. One day, years from now, those discs might be even more collectible than they are now.
     
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    Bayesian got a reaction from JTWfan77 in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    I estimate that's about $400-500 worth of factory-pressed polycarbonate in your hand. You ought to hang onto all of it. The release of this new box set doesn't change the fact that those particular CDs are still rare and OOP. JW appreciation is only growing. CDs are dying. One day, years from now, those discs might be even more collectible than they are now.
     
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    Bayesian reacted to SteveMc in How many periods/stages would you divide Williams' music into?   
    This is how I divide his career.
    The 50s represents a  student period, so I would keep that separate
    From about 1960-1974 we have the Early Period
    Here, Williams really began his career in the concert hall and for the screen.  At first, he kind of divided the two fields, trying to write "serious" concert works and lighter film and TV works.  As his concert career did not really take off, Williams seemed to begin to devote more creative energies to his dramatic works, now also using the name "John" for them.  Jane Eyre perhaps represents his first fully mature work.
     
    The next period I call the Heroic Period which lasted from 1975 to about 1986
    The death of his first wife, Barbara, is the event that divides the periods and, as  Williams has said, marks a major turning point in his life and art.  Williams's music in this period is marked by two things: subject material that reflects heroic themes and events, and characters; and, music that represents a struggle with and triumph over challenges in life.  The transition piece here is the Violin Concerto, which, like his trio of disaster scores in a sense, deal with the emotions of a sudden calamity.  After this, Williams seems to have become more personal in his music, even as he began scoring more and more high profile works.  The intense forces of nature and exhausted triumph in Jaws.  The reaching for something higher in the artisic triumph that is CE3K.  The straightforward, ambitious heroics of the Star Wars movies, Superman, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, with their love themes that range from yearning, to acceptance (Death and Transfiguration quote in Superman) to romantic renewal.  And, finally, the utter triumph and joy in the last sequence of E.T., where Williams, now at the pinnacle of American music, gives a symphonic statement that calls to mind the Finales of Beethoven's Heroic period.  
     
    This period is followed by what I guess I can call the Reflective Period.  This is a rather brief one, lasting from 1986 to maybe 1996.
    Here we find Williams thinking about his legacy, trying to craft music that can stand alone in a sense.  He returned to more concert music writing.  And, his film writing underwent a change to a more subtle approach.  Scores like Empire of the Sun, Born on the Fourth of July, and Schindler's List are prime examples, but even his blockbuster scores, like The Last Crusade, Hook, and Jurassic Park are marked by this shift.  For me, this represented Williams at his compositional peak.
     
    Next comes what I call John's Experimental Period, which started in about 1996 and lasted until 2005 or so. (KOTCS, and the late 00s concerti represent  kindsof inter-period works)
    This period was marked by Williams beginning to be more eclectic in how he approached film projects.  He began to be a little more adventurous with many scores, even more operatic, even, than he had been before.  The Prequel Scores, A.I., and Memoirs of a Geisha are some prime examples.  His concert works also began to really push the boundaries of modern romanticism.
     
    Finally, we have John's Late Period.
    Starting in about 2011, Williams started to write music that has felt a little reflective, where he has streamlined things, but has returned to a sort of straightforward vitality.  Yet, the music he has written for film in this period are quite distinct from anything he has done before, even in recent years.  Semi-retirement has allowed him to be more selective with his projects, and spend possibly some more time on them.  Also, I find he has made strides in terms of structure in his concert works.  
     
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    Bayesian reacted to Bespin in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    Talking about disaster movies, they missed a chance to include Hook in the box!
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