Henry B 50 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 You guys laugh but if you all classify music by adjectives (borring, repetitive, crappy, etc.. ) then can your feeble brains not abstract sexual references in music? Like the saying goes, "Brutes abstract not." Sexual reference is an acccepted part of academia musical descriptions. I am sure you can all recognize the alto sax, we call it "alto sex" solo for sexy moments, surely that is not the only sexual reference in music.Anyway some of you need to get it through your heads that JW is not the first call for all action/adventure movies anymore!I don't care if you don't like Zimmer, just support your opinions with supportive statements.Well, I don't contest your use of "masculine/feminine," I simply think that Zimmer's music is like a high school bully in terms of its masculinity. Big and strong, but pretty stupid. The Sea Hawk is much better "masculine" music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 You guys laugh but if you all classify music by adjectives (borring, repetitive, crappy, etc.. ) then can your feeble brains not abstract sexual references in music? Like the saying goes, "Brutes abstract not." Sexual reference is an acccepted part of academia musical descriptions. I am sure you can all recognize the alto sax, we call it "alto sex" solo for sexy moments, surely that is not the only sexual reference in music.Yeah and we Maestrobate pretty often, so what? Its true that cues written for female characters sound feminine, and the same for male characters... but why is Zimmer's music being masculine so good as to put three exclamation marks on it?and well Zimmer also makes drama movies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 The Sea Hawk is much better "masculine" music.And a lot of Korngold's other scores, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweethaley85 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 Let the barage begin. Welcome to the Board sweethaley85.Tedthanks! oh boy i didnt mean to start a never-ending argument.. why can't we jus all get along!!! music lovers of the world unite! i'm haley by the way, its nice to meet ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I'm not sure about those newfangled MV/Zimmer loving JWfans.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Let the barage begin. Welcome to the Board sweethaley85.Tedthanks! oh boy i didnt mean to start a never-ending argument.. why can't we jus all get along!!! music lovers of the world unite! i'm haley by the way, its nice to meet ya!These days with no new JW scores its like the only thing to talk about, its pretty much the rest of the board against me and a few other chaps.I guess we, the few, are just priviledged to enjoy more than one composer's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I'm not sure about those newfangled MV/Zimmer loving JWfans.K.M. Because we all know MV destroys music by producing people like:Hans ZimmerJohn PowellHarry Gregson-WilliamsKlaus BadeltWho have produced garbage such as:AntzChicken RunSinbadThe Time MachineX3Kingdom of HeavenThe Da Vinci CodeThe Prince of EgyptGladiatorSpanglishHannibalBeyond RangoonCrimson TideBackdraftThe Chronicles of NarniaLauras SternCurse those bastards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 John Powell is a very creative writer, when not hired to duplicate zimmer music. He makes the best grooves in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Blumekhol, I don't think Hans Zimmer produced himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Blumekhol, don't forget The Lion King, Muppet Treasure Island, The Ring, Paycheck, and The Promise! Awful awful garbage indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Blumekhol, I don't think Hans Zimmer produced himself.He is a product of his own creation. Chicken and the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 'Those bastards' indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I totally understand the part about a good deal of their music being interchangeable, and agree, but they are not all crap, and talentless hacks, and not everything they do is the same. Just listen to the ones I posted. You'd have a hard time fitting Antz in to the Da Vinci Code or vice versa. Even the punching bag of MV, Klaus Badelt has shown his ability to write outside of the confines of the MV sound, and quite well at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Did you hear Posiedon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 It is unfortunate that Klaus Badelt has been labelled as a hack who can only compose the stereotypical MV sound. With Jerry Bruckheimer producing, the score for Pirates of the Caribbean would have come out the same no matter who scored it - he wanted a distinct, MV sound. Badelt just happened to be the guy they hired to spearhead the thing.He has done some great work, particularly on The Time Machine, Ned Kelly, K-19, Equilibrium, and Ultraviolet (the latter two need score releases!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Did you hear Posiedon?No but I heard The Time Machine, which was his first solo effort.He has done some great work, particularly on The Time Machine, Ned Kelly, K-19, Equilibrium, andNed Kelly is also a pretty straightforward orchestral score with little synth and complex and depthful orchestration many would not expect out of Badelt, Equilibrium is definitely a synthy score, but not with a whole lot of regular MV style. K-19 is pretty unique, though it's repetitive. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Did you hear Posiedon?yes I did, what a terrible score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 How ironic that one of JWfan's most hated composer scores a remake to a film scored by Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 the film poseidon wasn't terrible, it was just uninspired, while the score was a real weak link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Chicken Run is a fun score although toward the end one of the cues is too MV styled and it makes me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Bulding the Crate? I like that one, if not for its use of the Rat theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Yes, Media Ventures has produced great composers like Powell and HGW, who have produced very good scores like Sinbad, Chicken Run, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Shrek, X3, and Narnia. So once a composer is out of MV, if they can think for themselves a bit, they can turn out great.It's just while Zimmer is holding them captive. . . . And "Building the Crate" kicks ass any day of the week!~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 But if it weren't for Zimmer and MediaVentures giving these composers an entry into the film music, they might have never made it! While everyone might not agree with it, MV is (was?) like a training ground for composers to come work with Zimmer and then make it big in the movie biz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 It's basically the new-day equivalent of being a JNH or Danny Elfman. You start out in the rock-band, and that's what MV really is, build a portfolio and then break off and hopefully become successful. It's also barely like what radio was to people like Bernard Hermann and what NBC and CBS were to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I'm listening to Crimson Tide as I write. That main theme kicks ASS!! Cheesey as hell, but Zimmer is the man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 There are 3 categories of composers:1)JW2)Zimmer and MV hacks3)All the others who kinda sound like JW but not as goodK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 That's pretty narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hmm, you're right KM, I never noticed but Elliot Goldenthal, Brian Tyler, Christopher Young, Edward Shearmur, Howard Shore, James Horner, James Newton Howard, Marco Beltrami, Michael Kamen, Jerry Goldsmith, and Trevor Jones really do sound kinda like Williams only not as good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I'm digging goldenthal lately, esp batman forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Where would Danny Elfman fall, Mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Bulding the Crate? I like that one, if not for its use of the Rat theme.No that's one of the best cues in the score.It's one of the cues while they are taking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Where would Danny Elfman fall, Mark?One of the most creative composers, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Bulding the Crate? I like that one, if not for its use of the Rat theme.No that's one of the best cues in the score.It's one of the cues while they are taking off.Glad to see everyone loves 'Building the Crate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 I'm not sure about those newfangled MV/Zimmer loving JWfans.K.M. The last MV styled score I enjoyed was Gladiator. I thought I would like The Last Samurai, which didnt sound too bad on film, and had garnered quite favorable online reviews. Unfortunately I found it a big bore on CD Da Vinci Code, which sounded ok in previews, made me toss the CDR I made from the downloaded mp3s out of the window. Conclusion? They have their moments, but you are better off listening to the Lion King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I think we should just sticky this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 why?K.M.Who can't wait untill this thread goes away.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 why?K.M.Who can't wait untill this thread goes away..Good job...you just bumped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I thought this was interesting reading through this thread:There are 3 categories of composers:1)JW2)Zimmer and MV hacks3)All the others who kinda sound like JW but not as goodK.M.Have you changed your mind since then, KM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 This is an interesting thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I love Hans Zimmer, what I don't like his what he's done to the world of film scores. Every other score out nowadays seems to be a bad attempt to copy Zimmer's style. Some of them have done good things (John Powell), but there's just too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I love Zimmer being on my dart board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I love Hans Zimmer, what I don't like his what he's done to the world of film scores. Every other score out nowadays seems to be a bad attempt to copy Zimmer's style. Some of them have done good things (John Powell), but there's just too many.It's not Zimmer's fault he has bad composers trying to copy his style. Those are the worst of the worst, people like Brian Tyler and Tyler Bates, and other random no name composers that have no talent. John Powell has never copied Zimmer, he has shown his own consistent style even while under MV, which he hasn't been a part of for quite some time. Zimmer basically revolutionized scoring. But like I saw earlier in this thread, you guys just don't like the fact that more than one person works on a score and that he uses synthesizers. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument as to why his music is bad, specifically in the actual writing, not on how it was made or by whom. I wouldn't care if 20 composers made 1 score as long as the final product does what it's supposed to do and sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I love Hans Zimmer, what I don't like his what he's done to the world of film scores. Every other score out nowadays seems to be a bad attempt to copy Zimmer's style. Some of them have done good things (John Powell), but there's just too many.It's not Zimmer's fault he has bad composers trying to copy his style. Those are the worst of the worst, people like Brian Tyler and Tyler Bates, and other random no name composers that have no talent. John Powell has never copied Zimmer, he has shown his own consistent style even while under MV, which he hasn't been a part of for quite some time. Zimmer basically revolutionized scoring. But like I saw earlier in this thread, you guys just don't like the fact that more than one person works on a score and that he uses synthesizers. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument as to why his music is bad, specifically in the actual writing, not on how it was made or by whom. I wouldn't care if 20 composers made 1 score as long as the final product does what it's supposed to do and sounds great.Neither Brian Tyler nor Tyler Bates "copy" Zimmer's style or sound. I'm not sure what scores you are listening to but I have heard little to no evidence of this charge except for Constantine and that is because Zimmer flunky Klaus Badelt came in to replace some of Tyler's score....I will agree with you on Powell though. A wonderful composer and frankly the only good thing to come out of MV/RC in my humble opinion. Love Hanock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Neither Brian Tyler nor Tyler Bates "copy" Zimmer's style or sound. I'm not sure what scores you are listening to but I have heard little to no evidence of this charge except for Constantine and that is because Zimmer flunky Klaus Badelt came in to replace some of Tyler's score....Maybe he was saying that those who are copying Zimmer are as bad as those two. Probably not, but they do sound like a$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 So nice to see the person who started this thread stuck around, as usual... Whatever happened to Damo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I love Hans Zimmer, what I don't like his what he's done to the world of film scores. Every other score out nowadays seems to be a bad attempt to copy Zimmer's style. Some of them have done good things (John Powell), but there's just too many.It's not Zimmer's fault he has bad composers trying to copy his style. Those are the worst of the worst, people like Brian Tyler and Tyler Bates, and other random no name composers that have no talent. John Powell has never copied Zimmer, he has shown his own consistent style even while under MV, which he hasn't been a part of for quite some time. Zimmer basically revolutionized scoring. But like I saw earlier in this thread, you guys just don't like the fact that more than one person works on a score and that he uses synthesizers. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument as to why his music is bad, specifically in the actual writing, not on how it was made or by whom. I wouldn't care if 20 composers made 1 score as long as the final product does what it's supposed to do and sounds great.I don't care about who makes them, and synths only annoying me sometimes (like in the first PotC score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 So nice to see the person who started this thread stuck around, as usual... Whatever happened to Damo?Maybe real life has prevented him from being able to come here? Maybe he was banned?Anyways Brian Tyler doesn't sound like crap...not sure what you guys are listening to and he sounds nothing like Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 i grew up listenin n playin john williams music but lately ive really gotten into hans zimmer.. i jus got the new soundtrack to pirates of the caribbean #2 while workin at umg and its pretty good. POTC #2 soundtrack has a cool mix of techno-type beats, orchestral melodies and vocal underchords. if you havent checked it out, visit www.disneyrecords.com/pirates2 and let me know what you think!Sorry, dear, John Williams make the most exciting music that I have ever heard, and Zimmer is wallpaper. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Zimmerz lyk teh bestest composer ov all tym bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 i grew up listenin n playin john williams music but lately ive really gotten into hans zimmer.. i jus got the new soundtrack to pirates of the caribbean #2 while workin at umg and its pretty good. POTC #2 soundtrack has a cool mix of techno-type beats, orchestral melodies and vocal underchords. if you havent checked it out, visit www.disneyrecords.com/pirates2 and let me know what you think!ok but the real question is whether moviemusic-makers like williams and zimmer are as good as real composers like Tom Petty.into the great wide open.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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