MissPadmé 17 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Neil I am sorry, I try to respond something to your post, but I can't help I just burst out in laughter, you make me laugh.. wounderful, If I wouldn't know better I would think your post was written by a 8 year old child I know stefan is not an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 1) Jurassic Park - Theme, where the tutti theme starts2) Star Wars - Throne Room3) Flight to Neverland (opening)4) Raiders March (opening)5) Superman March, where the theme kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I've been discussing her opinion. I went after the opinion. She chose to come after me, the poster. There is a huge difference there. She can like "Anakin's Betrayal" all she wants. I didn't call her names over that, nor would I. I respect her opinion but I refuse to tolerate name calling. That's not what happens in a good discussion.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 All she said was Anakin's Bertrayal, Neil. You provoked her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I respect her opinion but I refuse to tolerate name callingSorry Neil, but according to the reply you gave, you don't respect it. And no one's name calling. Yet.Koray's right - you're just provoking people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 "The Enterprise""Godzilla Under The Sea""The Battle Of Yavin""E.T.'s Adventure On Earth""Love Theme From Superman""The Hunt" (Planet Of The Apes - Goldsmith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 "The Enterprise" has always been a favorite...never knew so many others loved it as much.Also:"The Ultimate War""Hedwig's Theme""Look Down, Lord""The Shark Cage Fugue""The Battle in the Snow""The Mine Car Chase""Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra"Non-JW:Main Theme from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (Herrmann)Overture from "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" (haha) (Elfman)Battle in the Mutara Nebula - such an obvious but creative "borrowing" of "The Battle on the Ice" from Prokofiev (Horner)The Battle on the Ice (Prokofiev)Lux Aeterna (Ligeti)La vita e bella (Piovani)Dracula - The Beginning (Wojeich Kilar)...and like a million others.This is probably more than anybody really needed from one person...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I respect her opinion but I refuse to tolerate name callingSorry Neil, but according to the reply you gave, you don't respect it. And no one's name calling. Yet.Perhaps your definition of name-calling differs from mine. I see her responding with "idiot" to one of my posts. What would you call that?And yes I absolutely provoked a discussion about music. That's what this board is about. Sadly, the music part of that seems to have been lost in this thread.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If I were playing the my-personal-taste-is-tantamount-to-undeniable-fact game, Neil, I'd interject here that "Anakin's Betrayal" is twice as good as "The Enterprise." But I'm not. So I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I just gave "Anakin's Betrayal" a listen. It sounds so generic. The choir makes it seem like every "Lord of the Rings" knock off, trailer music written today. This guy wrote Superman?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Luke Pursues the Captives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I've never heard music written specifically for trailers that dealt with such complex melodic ideas, or that managed to sound so...not cheap. And I've waded through a fair amount of generic trailer music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Whoo! I have too many favorites to pick just one, but I'll pick two from each of my favorite composers "Arrival of the Mothership""A Drive" a.k.a. "A Hard Decision""A Bomb in the Hotel""Korben Under Fire"*"Dr. Tyrell's Owl""Closing Titles from The Bounty""Bank Robbery (Prologue)""The Bait"*=bootlegged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 "A Bomb in the Hotel""Korben Under Fire"* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I just gave "Anakin's Betrayal" a listen. It sounds so generic. The choir makes it seem like every "Lord of the Rings" knock off, trailer music written today. This guy wrote Superman?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 "A Bomb in the Hotel""Korben Under Fire"* Yeah! Finally, someone recognizes which score I'm talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 For what it's worth, I recognized what they were from, too, but I haven't actually listened to the score yet. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The Hunt from The Final Conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 For what it's worth, I recognized what they were from, too, but I haven't actually listened to the score yet. =PWell, in the wise words of Vincent Hanna: "Get on it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 "Escape from Suburbia" from Poltergeist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I think Neil's hatred of Lucas and the prequels colors his judgement about the scores. Lament (my preferred name) is an absolutely fantastic piece of music, one of my all time favorite Williams cues and the pinnacle of what I consider a great score. Disagree with that if you want, but it's certainly miles ahead of any generic trailer music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Agreed 10000%. Everything you said in that post was spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Oh yeah, well I agree 10001%. So there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The Enterprise and Leaving Drydock from: Star Trek: The Motion Picture.The Battle Of Hoth from: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.Escape / Chase / Saying Goodbye from: E.T.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The Battle of Hoth is indeed mindblowing, Trent. ::shivers giddily:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Perhaps your definition of name-calling differs from mine. I see her responding with "idiot" to one of my posts. What would you call that?And yes I absolutely provoked a discussion about music. That's what this board is about. Sadly, the music part of that seems to have been lost in this thread.Steef calls people "idiot" all the time in jest, it's obvious she wasn't attacking you. She said as much by referencing Stefan. You implied that she didn't understand the question with your first post, that's not challenging her opinion or her answer to the thread topic. There are definitely different standards for different people around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I also happen to understand Steef's sense of humor. I'm not sure Miss Padmé has one.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I also happen to understand Steef's sense of humor. I'm not sure Miss Padmé has one.Neilneil why dont you just let it go? you wanted to start a musical discussion , eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 She's from Austia, you know.At least she will know how to say goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Neil likes the German way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I think Neil's hatred of Lucas and the prequels colors his judgement about the scores."General Grievous" is a cue that I enjoy on the ROTS album and probably could repeat over and over again.But it's no "Enterprise".Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 She's from Austia, you know.At least she will know how to say goodbye. That reminds me, I wonder how many are still listening to the Indy boxset... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Die Amerikaner, die kämpfen wie Weiber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 "General Grievous" is a cue that I enjoy on the ROTS album and probably could repeat over and over again.There is hope for you, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I think Neil's hatred of Lucas and the prequels colors his judgement about the scores."General Grievous" is a cue that I enjoy on the ROTS album and probably could repeat over and over again.But it's no "Enterprise".NeilFair enough. And no, it's not. But few things are. Personally I enjoy Leaving Drydock just about as much as The Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I believe the General Grievous cue was well received amongst members here at the time of the score's release.It actually sounds like Williams realized for a moment he was scoring a Star Wars film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I liked General Grievous at first and didn't like Grievous and the Droids much. That opinion has now reversed. The former doesn't seem to go anywhere or have a structure like you'd find in an Indy action cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 "General Grievous" really grew on me, to the point where I can now declare an unbridled passion for it. It definitely has structure, it just doesn't lie in the notes but rather the rhythm (as I mentioned in a previous thread). It is so intense and pounding...it's fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 If it is the one I am thinking of, "General Greivous" reminds me of "Eye to Eye" from "Jurassic Park", what with the woodwinds and all. I personally think it works out wonderfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Well, let's not forget that "General Grievous" is actually three cues combined into one, with part of the second one reprised at the end. So there can't really be any expectation of intentional overall structure. That's not to say that any of the three separate cues really have their own explicit, organized structure, either...but each has its own motif that it develops and expands upon in interesting ways. I personally find the first one to be extremely inventive and enjoyable, particularly at the beginning; the second one tends to annoy me with the shrieking woodwinds and that weird trumpet melody; and the third one returns to amazingness, introducing a brilliant 7/8 motif that could have worked very well as a secondary theme for Grievous in the entire film. I prefer to listen to them as separate cues, or at least with the second two separated from the first, and with the missing bar or two between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I also happen to understand Steef's sense of humor. I'm not sure Miss Padmé has one.NeilThose who haven't been here very long can't understand Steef's humor. I too understand his humor since I've been around long enough to know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 For me, Harry in Winter - Patrick Doyle - The Goblet of Firei hate that cue .It's the same thing played over and over for 3 minutes .No shred of cue developmentI agree. I've never been impressed by the score; quite uninspired and boring imo. But this one cue is furthermore extremely schmaltzy; I actually consider it annoying. Guess taste is really nothing to argue about :-)Swimming from Water Horse is on my list of extremely good pieces that I can listen to over and over again. Others would be The Blue Planet from (surprise) The Blue Planet by George Fenton, Buckbeaks Flight, Father's Study, Journey to the Island from Jurassic Park, Prologue and Main Title from Dune (Toto), Cerebro (or whatever the cue was called) from X-men 2, Discovery of the Treasure from CutThroat Island, etc, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 For sheer power:"The Crusaders in Pskov"- Alexander Nevsky"Wreckage and Rape" (the first part at least)- Alien3"Death and Transfiguration"- Hancock"Opening Titles"- Vertigo"Urlander's Mission/Main Titles"- Dragonslayer"Main Title"- SpartacusThere's more but these come to mind at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Well, let's not forget that "General Grievous" is actually three cues combined into one, with part of the second one reprised at the end. So there can't really be any expectation of intentional overall structure. That's not to say that any of the three separate cues really have their own explicit, organized structure, either...but each has its own motif that it develops and expands upon in interesting ways. I personally find the first one to be extremely inventive and enjoyable, particularly at the beginning; the second one tends to annoy me with the shrieking woodwinds and that weird trumpet melody; and the third one returns to amazingness, introducing a brilliant 7/8 motif that could have worked very well as a secondary theme for Grievous in the entire film. I prefer to listen to them as separate cues, or at least with the second two separated from the first, and with the missing bar or two between them.I love the first cue, the second cue is my favorite of the three, and the third is my least favorite (though still good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I will add "The Compys Dine" and "The Hunt" to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Discovery of the Treasure from CutThroat Island, etc, etc...I was listening to this vastly overrated score today .Yes this cue is the only one I put aside so far to include in a random cue compilationGeneral Grevious is the only cue from RotS that bores me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Really? I find the sixth Track to be the only one that bores me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Grevious and the Droids is my favorite of the Greivous action cues. Greivous Travels to Palpatine (or whatever the official title is) is also a great cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 "Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious" is indeed a great cue. Especially the first minute. My least favorite RotS cue is probably "Grievous and the Droids," which is bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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