Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 What it needs to do right, it does well. However, there is around 1/3 of material that doesn't need to be there. I think most of the lengthy first act is totally worthwhile. The island action stuff does go on longer than strictly necessary, but the 1933 original had the same issue - and it's still good fun. The extended version doesn't ruin anything, as far as I recall, but it's also in no way necessary. Before TLOTR, PJ made a few horror movies, though I don't know if any are stinkers on par with 1941. I don't hear anyone chastise The Frighteners as being heinous. The Lovely Bones was pretty dumb, but it came after King Kong so it doesn't apply. Horror comedies, more like. PJ once said that he could never make a straightforward horror film, and some of ROTK's worst moments prove him right - not to mention the Hobbit films. He did show proper restrained for the brilliant Heavenly Creatures, but I suppose that came with the subject matter (and it had plenty of fantasy segments to let him play around). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 His only movie I didn't fall asleep or change the channel during is Heavenly Creatures. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Via YouTube, listened to Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The OmenKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Listened to Jupiter Ascending to and from the theater yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 A.I. Artificial Interstellargence - Jhans Zilliamser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Over the weekend I listened:Raiders of the Lost Ark by John WilliamsStar Wars Episode VI Return of the Jedi by John WilliamsCatch Me If You Can by John WilliamsJaws (Anniversary Edition) by John WilliamsStar Trek TMP by Jerry GoldsmithStar Trek First Contact by Jerry GoldsmithNight Crossing by Jerry GoldsmithTotal Recall by Jerry GoldsmithCity Hall by Jerry Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Having listened to all of the Trek scores in quick succession, I've had a mini-epiphany about Giacchino's music. I thought his scores fit in just fine with the legacy he stepped into, probably better than they should actually, considering that the films don't necessarily do the same. There are moments of real inventiveness, real Trek atmosphere, and even Wallin isn't all that bad. I think JC is the only score he *really* kind of screwed with. Sure, his music sometimes lacks a sense of inevitability, seeming very obviously "constructed," and his themes can be a bit unvaried or insubstantial, but if he were writing in the late 80s or 90s, and not constantly being compared to his immediate predecessors, I suspect most of the naysayers would be open fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Man of Steel - Hans Zimmer & Tom HolkenborgYou know, I'm actually kind of looking forward to BvS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 In addition to Holkenborg (Junkie XL), Steve Mazzaro and Andrew Kawczynski were additional writers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Well, that kind of goes without saying these days, like it used to be with Balfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 The cue 'Corky's Retreat' from MAGIC by The Goldschmied - in anticipation of LLL's release (i never went beyond the SPFM tribute suite), love the harmonic unstableness of this cue and remember being disappointed in the square scene it accompanies; it robs the music of its impact. Though this is a common problem with this film composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Man of Steel - Hans Zimmer & Tom HolkenborgDutch pride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Man of Steel - Hans Zimmer & Tom Holkenborg Dutch pride! Borg? Sounds Swedish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Man of Steel - Hans Zimmer & Tom HolkenborgYou know, I'm actually kind of looking forward to BvS.I wish he actually went by his real name instead of the idiotic Junkie XL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 What it needs to do right, it does well. However, there is around 1/3 of material that doesn't need to be there.KarolThis. Cut the Jamie Bell/Evan Parke 'character building' bullshit, the pit scene, half of Adrien Brody's scenes, and you'd have a better-paced film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Nah it's all good.The Unfinished Swan by Joel CorelitzFind myself returning to this one more often than most. It just hits all the right notes. Bittersweet and beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Attack of the Clones A Million Way to Die in the West How To Train Your Dragon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Secret Weapons Over Normandy by Michael GiachhinoWhile MOH series takes away all the attention, this score is superior in pretty much every way. It has better themes, writing, recording... you name it. One of his finest works. Pity it's so overlooked.Karol publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Secret Weapons Over Normandy by Michael GiachhinoWhile MOH series takes away all the attention, this score is superior in pretty much every way. It has better themes, writing, recording... you name it. One of his finest works. Pity it's so overlooked.Karol SWON has superb action music, no doubt about that but the first MOH is more accessible and as a result more memorable.MOH: Frontline is his most rounded score that has everything I need in a soundtrack album. It's one of my desert island CDs.SPEED 2: CRUISE CONTROL - MANCINAThank god for this release. I don't understand that the way the music is mixed in the movie it isn't nearly as fun and consistently excellent as on this album by Lalaland.The film may be seen as godawful but I still enjoy it, and for my ultimate Mancina action fix, this absolutely blows all his other scores out of the water (pun intended). Except for maybe Twister.It's the rhythm you see, I like rhythm, and lots of it.What a trio of effing magnificence these cues: 10. Escape, 11. The Harbor, 12. Final Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yea! Mancina's best score, and some of the best action music of the 90s. Escape is epic badassness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 It's weird, but when I heard this on a bootleg not long after watching the movie I couldn't help but thinking it was incredibly cheesy, and I didn't like the main theme.Surely that boot had some questionable mixing and editing (can't really remember, I heard it only once). Thanks to the LLL I had a complete change of opinion about this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 The boot has a few cues not on the LLL release, and the movie contains some more that still haven't been released, but the LLL set is overall a nice presentation of the score. Though not very varied, cause it basically includes all of the action music and is missing some suspense and connecting stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 listened/listening to the Star Trek VI expanded. Love the trailer music but as always, the Battle for Peace.I can you see, Kirk. Can you see me!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The overture / end credits is the only thing on ST VI that does anything for me, the rest leaves me stone cold.I have the overture on one of the Space & Beyond compilations (brilliantly performed even), so I never got any of the releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wolf Totem - James HornerEchoes of his ASM theme, ethnic wailing, pleasant tonal meanderings... typical Horner. Not really something that demands revisiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wolf Totem is nice, but nothing ground breakingChris Tilton - SimCityJohn Williams - War HorseStill lovely, each of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn by John Williams: While this seems to be to many a huge disappointment of a score I still love this music as much I did when it first came out. There is playfulness and joyfulness in the themes and orchestrations and while the BIG central theme is more of a fanfaric motif Johnny makes up for it with various different leitmotific ideas for nearly every character (Tintin himself receives 3!!!). It is of course in part like Indy scores a stylistic pastiche of several genres but never feels disconnected and the music skips and jumps with joyous aplomp from one cue to the next. Undoubtedly you can hear Williams's past forays into the genre in the sound and feel of the music but for me it is so infectuous cocktail I certainly can let that slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Jerry Goldsmith - Alien (Intrada)A five star masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Jerry Goldsmith - Alien (Intrada)A five star masterpiece.Not entirely accessible but no less a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I get why it can be described as a bit inaccessible... but personally from me, I loved it the instant I got the Intrada set (I had previously never heard it before, apart from the scattered tracks that had appeared on compilations [plus of course within the film]). Yea it uses wacky instruments, but it's got a great narrative throughline and a nifty main theme. And the Intrada set SOUNDS great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Well Jerry defined "alien" with his music pretty well I should say. The narrative the composer meant for the music is brilliant. First the deceptive wonder and awe of space which draws you in and then slowly descends into fear and horror and then again returns to the wonder of stars in the end titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Getting this Intrada set made me appreciate Horner's Aliens score even more, since I think while there is no direct musical connection - no repeated themes or melodies or anything - Horner seemed to make some subtle references or homages to the Alien score, especially in the opening and ending cues (not so much in the action material). Two five star scores, what a great way to start a franchise. Too bad I don't really care about any other entries in the saga.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Goldenthal's is awesome, but probably way more "inaccessible" than Goldsmith's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Horner's work is much more Gayenne Suite "inspired" in the opening and closing and I think he actually references some of Jerry's music subliminally although I can't remember the exact piece off the top of my head right now. Horner's music feels to me like it lines up well Goldsmith's but naturally takes into account the new story and more militaristic straightforwardly action oriented mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He does that thing in the woodwind section that's very similar to Goldsmith. It's subtle but nice thing. John Frizzell did that, too.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 What? Horner totally cribbed one of Jerry's theme's from Alien.The two note figure from Hypersleep. Horner just rearranged it for echoplexed trumpet (another staple Goldsmith device) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Horner steals from Jerry's Capricorn One score much more blatantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 You know, Jerry did his share of cribbing from Jimmy, too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It's all from Stravinsky anyway.Who stole it from elsewhere.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Goldenthal's is awesome, but probably way more "inaccessible" than Goldsmith's.Rather than Jerry doing something different from his usual work, Elliot used his own unique voice to write his breakthrough score.I love Alien 3 about as much as Alien, but Aliens is the one I return to the most for the simple reason of how it affected me all those years ago (the film being my all-time favourite). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I quite like all three scores, but Aliens is clearly the least interesting of the bunch, IMHO crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hey, you're entitled to your opinion but it's just wrong mate, IMHO. The Core - Chris YoungDamn fine album. It's length doesn't bother me at all, in fact I increasingly get more enjoyment out of it with each listen. Trent B and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hey, you're entitled to your opinion but it's just wrong mate, IMHO. The Core - Chris YoungDamn fine album. It's length doesn't bother me at all, in fact I increasingly get more enjoyment out of it with each listen.I wouldn't mind having the sessions for this but this is actually one release that is fine as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sessions? It's long enough. I've never finished the album in one sitting anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It does open up when you revisit it. At first, I thought it was too dense and impenetrable. But it starts to make sense after some time spent with it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 At first, I thought it was too dense and impenetrable. But it starts to make sense after some time spent with it.That's what he said! Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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