Datameister 2,044 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 COS. For me, it's easily the score with the biggest discrepancy between how much I enjoy it in the film and how much I enjoy it on the album. It makes me even more annoyed with the film, but the OST is pretty well put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 The Vampire Lovers - Harry RobinsonSinuous and slithery. Wonderfully gothic music for Halloween time. I freakin' love Hammer. I had to look everywhere for a copy of this as it is OOP. If anyone else is looking for one at retail, Creepy Classics is the place to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Titus by Elliot GoldenthalListening to this made me realize that we need Elliot Goldenthal to come back to film scoring.Really? I certainly think Goldenthal is amazing and needs to be more prolific, but I wouldn't choose this as an example of why. It's so choppy. It goes from epic to sad to just unsettlingly strange in such a short time. Probably my least favorite Goldenthal work. Parts of it are still wonderful, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 It goes from epic to sad to just unsettlingly strange in such a short time.Yes. It's Goldenthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Listening to CutThroat Island. I'm enjoying it more than I often have in the past...although I've always appreciated the score's pure orchestral sensibilities, it always tended to overwhelm me with its unrelenting enthusiasm. For whatever reason, I'm having an easier time handling the overdose of boisterous swashbuckling rhythms. It helps that I took the complete soundtrack and whittled it into a playlist that mimics the OST...this is one case in which I'd usually rather listen to an abridged "listening experience." (But I don't regret buying the complete soundtrack...it's much easier to make it shorter than longer. That's what she said.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear.Good. You put wonderful in the same sentence as that score. Having never seen the flick, I wasn't sure if the score was worth the $2 I paid for it used the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Listening to CutThroat Island. I'm enjoying it more than I often have in the past...although I've always appreciated the score's pure orchestral sensibilities, it always tended to overwhelm me with its unrelenting enthusiasm. For whatever reason, I'm having an easier time handling the overdose of boisterous swashbuckling rhythms. It helps that I took the complete soundtrack and whittled it into a playlist that mimics the OST...this is one case in which I'd usually rather listen to an abridged "listening experience."Yea, for me I also generally prefer the OST over the Complete for this one score.... the Complete just seems to be a little too long to take in. At least for now. Maybe if I ever see the movie again I'd change my mind. (But I don't regret buying the complete soundtrack...it's much easier to make it shorter than longer. That's what she said.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Titus by Elliot GoldenthalListening to this made me realize that we need Elliot Goldenthal to come back to film scoring.Really? I certainly think Goldenthal is amazing and needs to be more prolific, but I wouldn't choose this as an example of why. It's so choppy. It goes from epic to sad to just unsettlingly strange in such a short time. Probably my least favorite Goldenthal work. Parts of it are still wonderful, however.Well, the film is quite extreme. But there is some logic behind all this. Basically, Goldenthal did the similar thing to what he's done previously with Interview with a Vampire. He a associated particular genres of music with generations of characters (in Interview it illustrates the passage of time). In the film it makes perfect sense.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Well, the film is quite extreme. But there is some logic behind all this. Basically, Goldenthal did the similar thing to what he's done previously with Interview with a Vampire. He a associated particular genres of music with generations of characters (in Interview it illustrates the passage of time). In the film it makes perfect sense.I suppose that's true, but the same could be said about Brokeback Mountain, and I hate Brokeback Mountain... I find myself more concerned with how much I like music rather than how well it fits the subject matter which is still important.Good. You put wonderful in the same sentence as that score. Having never seen the flick, I wasn't sure if the score was worth the $2 I paid for it used the other day.Definitely! "Louis' Revenge" is amazing. The album is a bit repetitive, but if you ignore that, it's very enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal.It's not as wild in its contrasts as Batman Forever - and I consider that one of his best scores, in a totally insane way. I like Titus a lot, though not quite as much as many others - for a long time at least, it seemed to be the most popular of all Goldenthal scores. My personal favourite remains Sphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal.It's not as wild in its contrasts as Batman Forever - and I consider that one of his best scores, in a totally insane way. I like Titus a lot, though not quite as much as many others - for a long time at least, it seemed to be the most popular of all Goldenthal scores. My personal favourite remains Sphere.My vote goes to In Dreams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 When I first saw Interview with the Vampire years ago on VHS, I was a big Batman fan. The music reminded me of the first two Batmans. Then he ended up doing the next couple movies. I liked his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal.It's not as wild in its contrasts as Batman Forever - and I consider that one of his best scores, in a totally insane way. I like Titus a lot, though not quite as much as many others - for a long time at least, it seemed to be the most popular of all Goldenthal scores. My personal favourite remains Sphere.I should check out his Batman scores. I'm not familiar with either, but it seemed like an opportunity for him to stretch his weirdness.Sphere is really awesome. I haven't watched the film to compare the album and film. Does it cover most of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal.It's not as wild in its contrasts as Batman Forever - and I consider that one of his best scores, in a totally insane way. I like Titus a lot, though not quite as much as many others - for a long time at least, it seemed to be the most popular of all Goldenthal scores. My personal favourite remains Sphere.My vote goes to In Dreams!Mine would be Michael Collins, trully one of the great scores of the 90's.I also love Sphere, but I'm very curious about all the missing music. I don't remember much from the movie, but is the quality consistent with what we have on cd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Would I be correct in saying the end of the Michael Collins score is reused from the unused end to Heat? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Heat's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Indeed it is, just with different orchestration. And thank God for that too, such a stunning piece could not go to waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don't think he does that very often. Alien 3 generally keeps to strange while Interview with the Vampire is a wonderful mixture of sadness and fear. However, Titus's shift of tones feels uncharacteristic for even Goldenthal.It's not as wild in its contrasts as Batman Forever - and I consider that one of his best scores, in a totally insane way. I like Titus a lot, though not quite as much as many others - for a long time at least, it seemed to be the most popular of all Goldenthal scores. My personal favourite remains Sphere.My vote goes to In Dreams!Mine would be Michael Collins, trully one of the great scores of the 90's.I also love Sphere, but I'm very curious about all the missing music. I don't remember much from the movie, but is the quality consistent with what we have on cd?I actually personally know one of the horn players that has performed in several Goldenthal recordings (his son is in the marching band that I'm assistant director for), including Sphere, Interview, Across the Universe, and Michael Collins, amongst quite a few other film scores and Broadway cast recordings. He had great things to say about Michael Collins in particular. I agree, it really is a great score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 My vote goes to In Dreams!Good one!Sphere is really awesome. I haven't watched the film to compare the album and film. Does it cover most of the score?I've seen the film several times and never really noticed much music missing. But I've read several times that about half the score (!?) is missing on the album, and apparently that's supposed to include great material. I think there were some strange circumstances about the scoring sessions which lead to two separate sets of tracks for which re-use fees would have to be paid separately, so they could only afford to pick one set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Alien ResurrectionLLL's presentation drags a bit in a few of the longer tracks, but apart from that, a really nice 90 mins of listening.Lost: The Final SeasonSuperb, and I haven't even got to the Ab Aeterno material yet, which is my favourite of the whole show. The Last Episodes disc (on its way) should be good.Legend of the GuardiansAn amazing score by Hirschfelder. I love the theme, and the battle cue in particular is my favourite piece of film music right now.I've seen the film several times and never really noticed much music missing. But I've read several times that about half the score (!?) is missing on the album, and apparently that's supposed to include great material. I think there were some strange circumstances about the scoring sessions which lead to two separate sets of tracks for which re-use fees would have to be paid separately, so they could only afford to pick one set?I think Filmtracks mentions that some was recorded in NYC and some in L.A., so they didn't release/pay fees for anything recorded in L.A.Same reason, I believe, why none of the final battle music from The Mummy Returns is on album. That section was recorded in L.A., rather then London and they didn't want to pay the fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 For the Mummy Returns, they had a deadline to meet as far as preparing the music for a soundtrack release. So Silvestri and co had to deliver what they had recorded. I believe the final part of the film wouldn't be ready under the allotted time they had to record in England, so they finished in L.A.A similar thing happened with the original Tomorrow Never Dies album. They needed to get the album out on a certain date so Arnold provided them with what they had recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Finally got around to listening to my copy of LLL's Alien Resurrection. Much thanks to those who recommended it! I actually love it. Has a lot of great melody, and fun action music. Too bad the movie is such a shit-fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Now listening to Bicentennial Man. I really like this score. I know of numerous passages that Horner either stole from earlier works or later stole in subsequent works, but since this was one of the first Horner scores I got into, I can still really enjoy it for what it is. Very moving, very lush, very appropriate to the film. Incidentally, of all the film scores I play on piano when I visit home, this is the one my mother likes the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 For the Mummy Returns, they had a deadline to meet as far as preparing the music for a soundtrack release. So Silvestri and co had to deliver what they had recorded. I believe the final part of the film wouldn't be ready under the allotted time they had to record in England, so they finished in L.A.Also if you'll notice for the complete score for The Mummy Returns the pieces that were recorded in L.A. you can definitely hear it was recorded in a different studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 For the Mummy Returns, they had a deadline to meet as far as preparing the music for a soundtrack release. So Silvestri and co had to deliver what they had recorded. I believe the final part of the film wouldn't be ready under the allotted time they had to record in England, so they finished in L.A.Also if you'll notice for the complete score for The Mummy Returns the pieces that were recorded in L.A. you can definitely hear it was recorded in a different studio....and probably with a different orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yeah, it's pretty much the final battle once they get in the temple. The orchestra sound is much smaller. I don't know if it's due to the size or the way the score was recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yeah, it's pretty much the final battle once they get in the temple. The orchestra sound is much smaller. I don't know if it's due to the size or the way the score was recorded.It could have something to do with the size of the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Amazing Stories: The MissionROTJROTLATODLCKOTCS1941 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Star Wars: Shadows of the EmpireI wish I liked the prequels as much as this. That last track is an absolute classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I listened to AOTC today and thought of SOTE. The reason was because AOTC the movie sort of took us to environments that were featured in SOTE and Joel McNeely previously composed music for. The kind of seedy underworld and back alleys of Coruscant (or Imperial Center). Do you think McNeely nailed it better musically than Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Do you think McNeely nailed it better musically than Williams?Not even in my most twisted dreams.I personally don't find the musical language in SOTE to have the character of the SW universe but it's something I find in the prequels very much so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I listened to AOTC today and thought of SOTE. The reason was because AOTC the movie sort of took us to environments that were featured in SOTE and Joel McNeely previously composed music for. The kind of seedy underworld and back alleys of Coruscant (or Imperial Center). Do you think McNeely nailed it better musically than Williams?I think so. Like the film scenes, Williams' sounds pretty glossy. I always liked the bit at the end when Fett kills Zam though. I wish JW had maybe gone for more of a detective vibe with Obi-Wan's investigation. And no Dex's Diner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I thought Williams wasn't responsible for Dex's Diner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 AotC is a very underappreciated score. I think a proper complete release will turn a lot of heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I agree. It's hardly the best Star Wars score, but that's not really saying a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I thought Williams wasn't responsible for Dex's Diner?He wasn't, his son did the Dex's Diner source just like the Mos Espa source.AotC is a very underappreciated score. I think a proper complete release will turn a lot of heads.I agree with this as well. Grant it is the weakest of the six scores but it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 AotC is a very underappreciated score. I think a proper complete release will turn a lot of heads.I'm not sure. I like the action tracks on the album a lot, but most others seem to hate them. A complete release is unlikely to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 AotC is a very underappreciated score. I think a proper complete release will turn a lot of heads.I'm not sure. I like the action tracks on the album a lot, but most others seem to hate them. A complete release is unlikely to change that.Let the Williams well run dry for a few more years and everything except Joey starts agreeing with you. When i recently got THE EDGE by Goldsmith, i listened to it again since a long time and was shocked of how great, even sublime a lot of it seemed. When the score came out, i liked the theme and found the interior music serviceable but not much more. With filmmusic today what it is, even a workmanlike Goldsmith adventure score seems like a thundering musical achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 There's no doubting the technical quality of AOTC, minus that damned guitar. That being said, unless there are some major surprises that weren't reported, I doubt there's much music we haven't heard yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Well there's the unused finale we only have 2 seconds of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Correct but didn't someone here sneak a peek at the scoring sheets and pretty much confirm there isn't a whole lot missing?Granted that was 8 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I don't recall that at all. As far as I know nobody really knows what it would have been like apart from the final 2 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I do, I'm sure it was an interview with one of the LSO members. I'm talking about the unused finale though and not the missing music in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 No it wasn't that. I think someone actually saw the original sketches and confirmed there wasn't that much missing music. The tracked music really didn't replace anything Williams had originally composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 No that's completely wrong. The OST/film version uses the Imperial March while the original version didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I think Mark's talking about the Battle of Geonosis, not the finale. And yes, we've known for quite a while Williams never wrote anything for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 The tracked music from TPM, not any re-writes Williams did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Obviously Williams never scored the big battle. But the unused original finale cue would be great to hear, and judging by the last 2 seconds its a very nice piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 It was probably Jim Ware or John Takis who mentioned it. Of course John did the cue breakdown. During the summer of 2002 I was getting married so AOTC was least important thing on my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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