Datameister 2,044 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 This topic is pretty straightforward. I'm just curious who prefers which release in terms of sound quality and mix alone. Obviously, the Concord release has inferior packaging and the edited "Desert Chase" [EDIT: and speed/pitch issues], while the DCC release omits "Bad Dates", but if we ignore all that stuff, which release do you think sounds better? The Concord release sounds brighter and more "modern" to my ear, whereas the DCC release is a little more in line with what you hear in a lot of recordings from that time period. I'm kind of split at the moment on whether the Concord release is an improvement or not, and I'm curious to know what you guys think.Soooo...vote, sure, but more importantly, explain exactly what you like about your choice. Apologies for not including the OST in the poll...just vote between these two.(And I know this has been discussed here and there, of course, but the posts are spread too thin in old threads, so I thought I'd bring it up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I guess I'm used to the more vintage sound of the DCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The Concord. It's the only edition where you can actually hear the full choir in the Map Room: Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The DCC is closer to the music in the movie, so i use that for isolated scores, however i prefer the concord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The Concord has more warmth to it, however the pitch errors and incomplete Desert Chase are a no no.I prefer the DCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I wasn't including the speed/pitch errors in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Oh, shush. BTW, as I'm continuing to do very careful comparisons, I'm thinking I may prefer the Concord. I don't think it needs to be quite as bright as it is, and there are certain cases where an instrument will be way more prominent (or, in the case of the tuba, less prominent) than I'm used to, but in general, you can hear a lot more and it's just not such a flat sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The Concord has ridiculously overamped treble. Check out the snare drums at the end of "End Credits," for example. It's a case of boosting highs to cover up the inferiority of the source material (it sounds pretty damaged, I have to say). The DCC, though... from what I've read, its pitch spectrum is a bit limited. Nothing above 32,000 khz or something to that effect. It's not as bright as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I can't tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Well, in all fairness, Henry, it sounds like it was probably a piccolo snare, and I don't think it sounds too far off from how it would have sounded in real life, particularly if you were standing right there at the drum. But still, yeah, it's brighter than it needs to be.I'm asking all this because I'm starting to redo my Raiders edit. It's an easy score to edit, but I need to decide what my primary source material will be. At this point, I'm leaning toward just using the Concord, and then doing some minor EQing when I have to incorporate material from the DCC release or...other sources. EDIT: What are you using to listen to them, Koray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Nothing above 32,000 khz or something to that effect. It's not as bright as it should be.Shit, not even a bat could hear that! Of course you mean 32,000 hz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I voted DCC, though the Concord would be great with:1. Full length Desert Chase2. Correct speed and pitch3. Better liner notes etc.The Concord does have better sound quality in general, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I guess I'm used to the more vintage sound of the DCC.It's not vintage. It's a natural sound. The sound of the Concord remastering is obviously EQ'd. It's funny how The Crystal Skull, the most modern recording of the Concord release, sounds the least sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I guess I'm used to the more vintage sound of the DCC.It's not vintage. It's a natural sound. The sound of the Concord remastering is obviously EQ'd. It's funny how The Crystal Skull, the most modern recording of the Concord release, sounds the least sharp.It's natural vintage natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The DCC, except for 'Map Room'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 DCC all the time.One of Williams' best-sounding CDs ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The sound of the Concord is like 50% hiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Concord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I only own the DCC and I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 On a similar note, I don't suppose anyone has a copy of the DCC LP they'd want to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The only Indy I own on LP is TOD, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 DCC. I even catch the overdone treble on the Concord and I'm no audiophile whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I'm going with DCC because I have a soft spot for it. Plus the Concord one was riddled with errors and the edited 'Desert Chase' cue was insulting and, quite frankly, unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I honestly don't care about hearing the chorus in the Map Room. It sounds fine on the older CD. Concord Map Room is a perfect example of the problems with that CD. There's way too much hiss, the pitch is screwy and completely noticeable as Indy lowers himself down and it ends up sounding like a completely different take. The old CD sounds like the actual score as it was meant to be heard. Thank heavens Williams was called in to make sure the music was sped up, Desert Chase was edited down and most of the other old album tracks retained their original editing and incomplete presentation.They should have brought in the guys who did the 90s Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 It's worth noting that there are two completely different mixes of Raiders out there: the film mix by Eric Tomlinson, which was presented (almost) in full on the DCC CD and LP, and the original album mix, which was utilized in part by Concord for the recent box set. You can't really compare the sound quality of "Map Room" between the DCC and Concord because they are completely different mixes, orchestra and chorus wise. If you prefer the sound on the Concord, it's likely you actually prefer the original album mixes that Concord used - so get the best of both worlds and track down the original album. Same sound, but no speed issues and EQ'ing (beyond what was done for the mix at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I think they both sound fine, I'm not one to be able to notice the stuff that has been mentioned. I do know that, I have to turn up the volume for my DCC release compared to the Concord. It's like the Jaws Collectors Edition, I just wish it sounded...louder, ya know? But better sounding or not, I would still choose the DCC any day. Raiders March w/coda and Desert Chase unedited are the reasons why. However, I would really miss Indy Rides the Statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORM 1 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Dam tough one this!over all i`d say dcc version but,the concord one as bit more music beyound DCC,and for me better sound,or thou it does`nt have booklet like DCC,as i said for me tough one,spose having both versions best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 I'm still not convinced about al the "problems" relating to the Concord release.....I'm not sure how many of the pitch/speed issues were actual errors and how many were the actual speed/pitch they were recorded at (since some bits were sped up for the movie I think?) and the bits people are complaining about are actually how they are supposed to sound/were recorded etc. For me they are both cracking albums, but the Concord release pips it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 DCC, mainly for the complete "Desert Chase". The DCC 180gm double-disc virgin vinyl sounds brilliant, especially when played on a Linn LP 12. Ooh, I've just come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Share Posted November 6, 2010 How many of you actually read my original post? We're talking sound quality and mix here, folks, not completeness or packaging or all those other important things that are much more objective and easy to pick winners for.EDIT: Greg1138, there's no chance the Concord got the speed right - all the instruments are uniformly (and very significantly) out of tune. Correct the speed, and the pitch goes back to where it's supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 DCC or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 If any of you don't own the Concord set and don't mind AAC, the entire box is on iTunes (at least in the UK) for a bargain £12.99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 That's a ridiculously low price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 It's $35 on Amazon for the actual box. There's simply no reason not to own it for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 It's $35 on Amazon for the actual box. There's simply no reason not to own it for that price.Indeed and physical CD's are better than mp3 downloads.I never owned any of the Indiana Jones CD's before this set. I bought the box set the day it was available for purchase though.In regards to the Raiders score...while the Concord version is nice to have because of the extra material, the micro-edits to "Desert Chase" and the pitches issues knock it down a few points. So ultimately the DCC gets the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 Et tu, Trent? Come on, people...I even put it in bold in the first sentence of the first post. We're talking sound quality and mix here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Ah okay my bad. Well the DCC still wins in the category. It's got more of a natural mix. Basically in the same situation with Star Wars Anthology set...better mixes than the Special Edition counter parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORM 1 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Have to listen to both versions back to back,so i can hear the pitching or thou have noticed something different about concord version might well be pitching,but i`ll listen again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 I got the soundtrack collection version of Raiders going right now and, you know, it's completely listenable. It's completely enjoyable. On my home theater through iPod digital media port, it sounds great. You can sort of phase out the audio issues. The hiss is only really noticeable on headphones. There's some really nice activity to this version that isn't quite there on the 90s CD. Bass is fucking intense. I think I'll start actively listening to this version again, alternating between the two.By the way, one thing I still prefer about this version is the clean endings/beginnings of certain cues that segue into each other on the older CD. I never cared for that decision. The exception is obviously The Warehouse and End Credits, which was another debate circa 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 I'm sure it sounds great on speakers with malfunctioning dome tweeters too. Truth is, on a good or accurate system, you can hear the exessive EQ-ing. To make it sound more normal or natural, I have to switch off 'direct' on my amp and turn the treble down to 9 o'clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 We're just not all audiophiles. I won't lose sleep over EQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOrb 0 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Oh gosh does did anyone else notice how beautiful "Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well"'s ending is? Just those last few seconds... wow. Such a nice little moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 You're talking about the fadeout? Yeah, it's nice. That's the Lydian mode for ya - Williams has used it for similarly awesome cue endings (e.g. as we leave Hoth/Tattooine in ESB/ROTJ), and it's one of Horner's favorites. Pity it got edited out of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOrb 0 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I thought I had heard something like that somewhere else in a Williams score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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