Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Besides, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.This is NOT Indiana Jones IV all over again.Yup. Got you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's strange that from the tracks I've heard, and I would believe in all the score, Tintin's theme is never completed like other themes, eg. indiana jones theme.Structurally speaking for the music theorists, is like the first half of a "sentence" with the 2 renditions of the basic idea which constitute the presentation, but we never hear the continuation.That's true but that kind of short form is acceptable in an animated film, I'd say. There's so much happening in those that you need to jump straight to the point, so to speak.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's strange that from the tracks I've heard, and I would believe in all the score, Tintin's theme is never completed like other themes, eg. indiana jones theme.Structurally speaking for the music theorists, is like the first half of a "sentence" with the 2 renditions of the basic idea which constitute the presentation, but we never hear the continuation.Maybe Williams has the sequel in mind for that. Wouldn't that be a profound way of filmscoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Besides, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.This is NOT Indiana Jones IV all over again.Yup. Got you there. Oh for fucks sake you gormless tit I was just stressing my own feelings towards the music. Anything more than than that you've read into it yourself you stupid internet person.Go away. You're spoiling it, you anally retentive fuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's strange that from the tracks I've heard, and I would believe in all the score, Tintin's theme is never completed like other themes, eg. indiana jones theme.Structurally speaking for the music theorists, is like the first half of a "sentence" with the 2 renditions of the basic idea which constitute the presentation, but we never hear the continuation.That's true but that kind of short form is acceptable in an animated film, I'd say. There's so much happening in those that you need to jump straight to the point, so to speak.Karolyes, it didn't bother me, just pointed it out. Of course it would be great to hear too a concert arrangement of the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I get the same feeling. Wouldn't it be incredible if Williams has already "completed" the theme, fleshed out its continuation, and kept it in the drawer for the sequel?/And evidently I'm too slow for this thread, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's funny how Haddock's theme sounds and feels almost exactly like the burglar's theme in Home Alone.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's strange that from the tracks I've heard, and I would believe in all the score, Tintin's theme is never completed like other themes, eg. indiana jones theme.Structurally speaking for the music theorists, is like the first half of a "sentence" with the 2 renditions of the basic idea which constitute the presentation, but we never hear the continuation.Maybe Williams has the sequel in mind for that. Wouldn't that be a profound way of filmscoring?well, i don't think it goes so deep.Most themes of Williams in the last years aren't complete like in the old days which adopted classical forms (complete periods or sentences), so I think it's under this general veil. ( I hope I put it well, english isn't my native language) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [Vader]So... filmmusic was wrong, after all...[/Vader] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's funny how Haddock's theme sounds and feels almost exactly like the burglar's theme in Home Alone. KarolAt first I made that same connection, but now that I've the theme so many times it has started to get a life of its own. I don't hear it anymore actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Oh I didn't mean that it's a rip-off. This one has a more shanty Quint-like quality to it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,362 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Escape From Karaboudjan sounds a bit like Warehouse Escape in the beginning, then some Padme Falls-esque music, and some more KOTCS -like material... 2:02 sounds sooo familiar...why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [Vader]So... filmmusic was wrong, after all...[/Vader]Sorry? I didn't get that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's funny how Haddock's theme sounds and feels almost exactly like the burglar's theme in Home Alone.KarolYou make it sound like a bad thing.Lee- who remembers the sublime similarities between Hook and Home Alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Read my previous post. I just meant it's similar.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's strange that from the tracks I've heard, and I would believe in all the score, Tintin's theme is never completed like other themes, eg. indiana jones theme. Structurally speaking for the music theorists, is like the first half of a "sentence" with the 2 renditions of the basic idea which constitute the presentation, but we never hear the continuation. Maybe Williams has the sequel in mind for that. Wouldn't that be a profound way of filmscoring? well, i don't think it goes so deep. Most themes of Williams in the last years aren't complete like in the old days which adopted classical forms (complete periods or sentences), so I think it's under this general veil. ( I hope I put it well, english isn't my native language)But - as opposed to even Williams' modern themes - Tintin's theme feels a bit too short, unresolved. It probably won't happen, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if Williams has something planned for the melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 My opinion so far.It's very...very...very good.But it won't be a classic score as well remembered as Jaws, Raiders, Jurassic Park or even Harry Potter.There are a lot of neat themes, but they are not the type that scream out to you while you are sitting in the cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's basically Azkaban quality. Maybe even slightly better. Yup, I really enjoy this one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's funny how Haddock's theme sounds and feels almost exactly like the burglar's theme in Home Alone.KarolOnly in Capturing Mr Silk, where the orchestration is very similar. It stands quite apart in the other renditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 But - as opposed to even Williams' modern themes - Tintin's theme feels a bit too short, unresolved. It probably won't happen, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if Williams has something planned for the melody.Like the evolution of Anakin's Theme never happened.The themes are good, but I can't see people walking out the theatre humming Snowy's Theme.It's basically Azkaban quality. Maybe even slightly better. Yup, I really enjoy this one.KarolIt is probably the best score since Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Pursuit of Falcon. Another excellent cue!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 My opinion so far.It's very...very...very good.But it won't be a classic score as well remembered as Jaws, Raiders, Jurassic Park or even Harry Potter.There are a lot of neat themes, but they are not the type that scream out to you while you are sitting in the cinema.I think it's a bit early to say. I admit I never thought - upon first listens - that Harry Potter would become the (modern) classic it is now. But you're probably right in the end.But - as opposed to even Williams' modern themes - Tintin's theme feels a bit too short, unresolved. It probably won't happen, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if Williams has something planned for the melody.Like the evolution of Anakin's Theme never happened.With Anakin's Theme, Williams had to works backwards. I think the concept of a theme evolving into another/more rich theme is something that caught his interest when composing The Phantom Menace. But the prequels never really gave him the opportunity/inspiration/freedom/time to go all the way with it. So it is imaginable that Spielberg/Jackson/Williams already agreed that Williams will score the sequel(s) and perhaps Williams thought: "This time I'm going to it right!". Of course I know Tintin doesn't undergo anything remotely similar to Anakin's transformation, but maybe Tintin - the moviestar - is designed to grow more into the role of a hero/adventurer as the series develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 EDIT. Full analysis on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The themes are good, but I can't see people walking out the theatre humming Snowy's Theme.Their loss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Indeed, that's what i meant.The really famous Williams' scores are those were the themes became known to the general public, not just us soundtrack geeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yes.I can't wait to listen to the full CD next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well there is only one thing that is really memorable in the samples is the heroic brass fanfare in Escape from KaraboudijainIs that Tintin's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yup. It first appears in the first track.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Memorability is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 it's a bit ...brief (Tintin's theme). I was kind of hoping to hear a more developed version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Adventures of Tintin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Adventures of Tintin?Nah, I don't feel this is a developed version of Tintin's Theme. More a stand-alone musical piece with some appearances of the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Adventures of Tintin?Oh don't aggravate KM. He would have wanted to hear something along the lines of Raiders March development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I was more talking of a Raiders March type of piece with that themeEdit. I see you predicted my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well, me too. I think this motif had potential for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I bet a lot of the kick ass renditions of Tintin's heroic theme will be in the unreleased music.Or maybe Picking Pockets was the Raider's style arrangement of the theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I personally think the whole plethora of other themes in the score make up for the simple and direct main idea which suits the rather direct and simple idea of the main character very well. This is not to say that I would not have wanted to hear a longer development of the idea in the score. But it works as a heroic exclamation quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Just wait for the sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's more like Double Trouble or Buckbeak's theme. Very simple. I'm sure most people were disappointed with POA at first when they realized there is really only one long theme in that score.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He already extends it a bit near the end of the Falcon track (about 30:30 in Erik's podcast), which sounds great, but is most likely just a momentary exclamation, not an integral part of the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 yes, but again too fleeting, too short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He already extends it a bit near the end of the Falcon track (about 30:30 in Erik's podcast), which sounds great, but is most likely just a momentary exclamation, not an integral part of the theme.I guess that is one of his most heroic moments in the film where his melody reaches the highest point of heroism and extension. It kind of strengthens slowly throughout the album becoming more and more pronounced with each new variation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think Williams and Spielberg perhaps learned from the Indiana Jones series: if you bring the main theme in too early, it feels a bit obligatory and forced in later installments (read Spielberg's notes for the TLC soundtrack for example). Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Sir Francis and the Unicorn samples are good a bit a bit MVish.I think Williams and Spielberg perhaps learned from the Indiana Jones series: if you bring the main theme in too early, it feels a bit obligatory and forced in later installments (read Spielberg's notes for TLC soundtrack for example). Just a thought.It's very unlikely Williams will score the sequelHopefully he''ll compose a full concert arrangement of Tintin's Theme to play at the Boston Pops and we'll get at least a crappy bootleg recording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 MVish? O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 it's very unlikely Williams will score the sequel.Why? Williams has done sequel scores throughout his career. Why not this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Seriously, my main disappointment in the various samples so far is lack of a true concert arrangement for Tintin's Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 its the unreleased and unused end credits part 2* *joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 omg. This score is something I've waited for for SUCH a long time. This is Williams at the top of his game indeed! These themes are magnificent. I can't imagine how well this all works in contexts with the film. No generic action music here!I can't get enough of this right now. It's been on repeat for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Hopefully he''ll compose a full concert arrangement of Tintin's Theme to play at the Boston Pops and we'll get at least a crappy bootleg recordingI hope this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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