Faleel 5,348 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 8:01 AM, Jim Ware said: There are three versions of the Radagast opening: The version head in the YouTube video The intermediate version heard on the album (with boys choir) So, is the difference between the YT video version and the Album version: 1: The fast paced Radagast theme at 4:27 played as a fiddle solo instead of the full string section? (and without choir?)2: Recorded without the Rain scene music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 11:16 PM, Falafel said: So, is the difference between the YT video version and the Album version: 1: The fast paced Radagast theme at 4:27 played as a fiddle solo instead of the full string section? (and without choir?)2: Recorded without the Rain scene music?  Choir and fiddle were recorded separately - there are multiple variants.  First opening - Rain scene, aleatoric strings, Gandalf's motif, ascending/descending triplet 'prophecy' motif Second opening - Aleatoric strings, Gandalf's motif, secondary wizard motif (w/boy's choir), ascending/descending triplet 'prophecy' motif Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 So that "cut" in the video is actually as written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Falafel said: So that "cut" in the video is actually as written? Â Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 19. Oktober 2018 at 5:07 PM, Chen G. said: Â I seem to recall Doug saying that the move to three films only benefitted Shore. Â As did it benefit us all. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â (musically) Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 *whispering* and otherwise.😉 Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Recording of #HowardShore's #TheHobbit #AnUnexpectedJourney continued well into November 2012. Although the entire score as originally conceived had been recorded by this point, there were some substantial last minute revisions. #HobbitHistory — Jim Ware (@jimjware) November 14, 2018 An entirely new version of lr125 ('Riddles in the Dark') was recorded at the tail end of October. This lengthy (ten minute) piece replaced the earlier versions recorded in late September. #HowardShore #TheHobbit #AnUnexpectedJourney — Jim Ware (@jimjware) November 14, 2018 Radagast received a couple of tweaks in the form of another new opening (lr56d) and ending (lr56e), effectively removing any reference to the character's thematic material. #HowardShore #TheHobbit #AnUnexpectedJourney — Jim Ware (@jimjware) November 14, 2018 The prologue (lr1, 'My Dear Frodo') was also tweaked with a couple of inserts. lr1a, covering the title card through to the reveal of the #Arkenstone and lr1b, for the refugee dwarves. #HowardShore #TheHobbit #AnUnexpectedJourney — Jim Ware (@jimjware) November 14, 2018 Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 In AUJ:EE, when Bilbo goes down to the market and thinks a folded cloth is Gandalf's hat, was the music tracked entirely from Bag End, with the part where Bilbo looks for the Ring (or in this one, sees the "hat" and runs) sped up, was it rerecorded, was anything else planned and tracked over, or was just that panic-y portion mildly rearranged, sped up and rerecorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Holko said: In AUJ:EE, when Bilbo goes down to the market and thinks a folded cloth is Gandalf's hat, was the music tracked entirely from Bag End, with the part where Bilbo looks for the Ring (or in this one, sees the "hat" and runs) sped up, was it rerecorded, was anything else planned and tracked over, or was just that panic-y portion mildly rearranged, sped up and rerecorded? In the case of An Unexpected Journey, nothing was specifically recorded or re-recorded for the EE. The market scene was never scored with original music.  The only EE scene with original music restored to the proper place is Bilbo exploring Rivendell (lr95a, the first part of The White Council on album).       Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 What about the little bit restored when Gandalf is talking to Bilbo in the crevice pathway to Rivendell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smaug The Iron 515 Posted July 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2020 Â Chen G., Jay and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Might not end up needing to publish a book bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Unless it's Doug playing alternates on duduk, I want the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, gkgyver said: Unless it's Doug playing alternates on duduk, I want the book. Why read words, wheb you can hear the person tell you what the words tell you about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doug Adams 494 Posted July 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2020 I'm not planning to read the book out loud. (The book is too long, and my voice is too annoying!) Rather, I'm hoping to set the stage for why such a book would be interesting to people. Back on LOTR, I had time to run a blog to help with such things. These days, I have far less free time. Stupid adulthood!  Regardless, I'll try to drop in plenty that people don't already know. crumbs, bollemanneke, Incanus and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Will this be up after the fact? For Europeans, 2 o'clock at night seems steep to start a 3 hour movie. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Will this be up after the fact? For Europeans, 2 o'clock at night seems steep to start a 3 hour movie. I would think so. The One Ring people tend to archive everything. Unless there’s a copyright issue with the film audio. I still haven’t been told how we’re handling that.  ... Also not sure if this is video or audio. I haven’t had a haircut since February, so I’m slightly concerned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 To get around copyright, there will be a replacement score by Lorne Balfe. bollemanneke and Kühni 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Doug Adams said: I'm not planning to read the book out loud. (The book is too long, and my voice is too annoying!) Rather, I'm hoping to set the stage for why such a book would be interesting to people. Back on LOTR, I had time to run a blog to help with such things. These days, I have far less free time. Stupid adulthood!  Regardless, I'll try to drop in plenty that people don't already know. Cool, I wasn't really thinking you would read the book straight up of course.  Your voice sounds alright btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 3:57 AM, The River (Fal) said: Your voice sounds alright btw.  I'll vouch for Doug's voice being a soothing one. (I know this sounds/reads as if I'm pulling Doug's leg, but I'm really not.)  I mean...we've heard it in the Rarities and the DVD docs. We all can vouch for your voice, Doug... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I haven’t watched it yet, but it’s up here:   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Quote We will be doing The Desolation of Smaug, as well.  YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 I cant' wait to pour a nice glass of port (thank you @Jim Ware and @Doug Adams for introducing me to this) and listening to this this weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Its marvellous, and I think The Desolation of Smaug would be even better. Naturally, in doing the first of these, there's some explaining to be had and side-tracks to go on, so with that out of the way, the next one could be even more focused on the music while we're hearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Thank you for a great commentary @Doug Adams and @Jim Ware!  I watched/listened to much of the commentary without watching the film and it was all very engaging and interesting even without the picture. Then again I know the first film the best and having been interested (obsessed?) with this music for years has had me watching the movie quite a few times.     I got as far as Rivendell and plan to listen to the rest when I have time.  I thought it was great that Doug was sort of looking at the bigger picture in terms of the music and compositional process and Jim focused on the smaller details which very much interest us hardcore Shore/Tolkien/film score fans and was obviously in charge of the explanation of the film music terms for the less film music informed listeners/watchers. I think it all worked wonderfully despite this being your first time doing a live commentary to a film, guys!  Also good of you @Jim Ware to mention that these scores could use and easily would warrant Complete Recordings releases.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just for the sake of explaining it to the dumbass in the room (me): you start this video at the same time of the film, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Let's think about that for a second. What other possibilities would there be? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: Just for the sake of explaining it to the dumbass in the room (me): you start this video at the same time of the film, right? Pretty much, I don't know if they have a specific sync point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 hours ago, gkgyver said: you start this video at the same time of the film, right?  There's some perliminary chatter before they get on with the film, but they do a count-down before they start so its easy to synch the film with the video.  After a short while, I was able to watch the movie and basically have this play as though it were a proper commentary track. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Lete guess, this is NTSC speed, right? 5 hours ago, Jay said: Let's think about that for a second. What other possibilities would there be?  That's rather bold sarcasm from someone who's asking the most obvious questions rather frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Lete guess, this is NTSC speed, right?  That's only a thing with DVDs; On blu-ray, it's 24fps in all regions. These guys assuredly watched the film at the correct speed, not a PAL sped-up version, for certain.  12 minutes ago, gkgyver said: That's rather bold sarcasm from someone who's asking the most obvious questions rather frequently.  Sorry, I didn't know the answer because I haven't checked it out yet, but the only two options are that it starts when the movie does, or it starts independently and they provide a countdown. Surely you could have clicked play on the video and found out pretty quickly ahead of your intended viewing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doug Adams 494 Posted July 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 8:37 AM, gkgyver said: Just for the sake of explaining it to the dumbass in the room (me): you start this video at the same time of the film, right?  We start at the beginning, and make a few references to sync points throughout. But really, I don't think we line up anything all that tightly anyway. It should work fine as long as you're close.  Thanks for the kind comments, everyone. Part two this coming week.  D Smaug The Iron, Bofur01, Alan and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 17 hours ago, Doug Adams said: Part two this coming week.  Exact timings for when the waterphone can be heard in DoS, please. I know Jim noted them once, but I (a) never heard anything and (b) don't know wh...*hang on, what's that Search function for when you need it*...ah, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Kühni said:  Exact timings for when the waterphone can be heard in DoS, please. I know Jim noted them once, but I (a) never heard anything and (b) don't know wh...*hang on, what's that Search function for when you need it*...ah, never mind. There are Wagnertuben in there too! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 20 hours ago, Kühni said: Exact timings for when the waterphone can be heard in DoS, please.  Yeah, the commentary to An Unexpected Journey was quite interesting on the level of discussion the instrumentation (never knew Shore slipped a Theorbo into The Valley of Imladris) and there's some much more interesting examples in The Desolation of Smaug to talk about.  Both Smaug and Mirkwood get some crazy instrumentation, and I know for a fact its not just Gamelan. Going by the liner notes alone, he also gets Dizi and Shakuhachi flutes (the latter very prominent in the opening to The Battle of the Five Armies), a heckelphone, a Tamboura, finger cymbals and so on. Quite a lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Most of these instruments (dizzy, shakuhachi, hecklephone (bass oboe), and tamboura) tend to double the melodic line in Smaug's two principal themes ... so they're a little tough to point out individually in a recording ... especially in the film mix.  The finger cymbals (which are meant to evoke a sort of Chinese parade procession -- or Indonesian ceng ceng cymbals -- and, of course, Smaug's golden coins) are a bit easier to spot.  I'll have to think on the waterphone. I believe it's easiest to find not in the score, per se, but in some wild takes that are used to evoke the trippiness of Mirkwood.     Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Doug Adams said: Most of these instruments (dizzy, shakuhachi, hecklephone (bass oboe), and tamboura) tend to double the melodic line in Smaug's two principal themes ... so they're a little tough to point out individually in a recording  Sure, I'm not looking for timestamps or anything. I just find the sheer wealth of instrumentation interesting; I'm sure all of us here do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 23 hours ago, Jim Ware said: There are Wagnertuben in there too!  You're even using the proper German plural, Jim. Bless you. I really need to make it over to the UK again, simply to meet up wth you for another pint of Guinness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Mmmm, Guinness. Tastes better over there than here, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Doug Adams said: (...) Smaug's golden coins) are a bit easier to spot.  Quite the wordsmith again, Doug.   And since I got you on the horn (and no, I'm nowhere near IL): in the DoS booklet (Special Edition), on SMAUG you mention "two intersecting lines twist (...) mirror images of one another. They are the same played back-to-front (...)" While I grant that there may be small language/dyslexia barrier that I can't seem to cross, I never quite got what part of Smaug's theme(s) this relates to, even with the musical notation on the next page.  Ta mucho in advanco...and if you need to remain mum, I'll wait for the book. Take care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Isn't the intention that the "Smaug the Terrible" theme (to the stick to the terminology established in the commentary to An Unexpected Journey)Â is an inversion of the "Smaug the Magnificent"? The one being the awe of the creature, the other - his deceptive nature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Kühni said:  Quite the wordsmith again, Doug.   And since I got you on the horn (and no, I'm nowhere near IL): in the DoS booklet (Special Edition), on SMAUG you mention "two intersecting lines twist (...) mirror images of one another. They are the same played back-to-front (...)" While I grant that there may be small language/dyslexia barrier that I can't seem to cross, I never quite got what part of Smaug's theme(s) this relates to, even with the musical notation on the next page.  Ta mucho in advanco...and if you need to remain mum, I'll wait for the book. Take care!  Smaug the Magnificent and Smaug the Terrible begin as near-retrogrades of one another.* But major record labels don't love if if you use the word "retrograde" in mass-marketed commercial products. Can't imagine why ...   *Speaking here of pitch content. Probably obviously. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2020 Restoring Howard Shore's original music to the Adventure Begins scene. This is one Shore's most beautiful pieces for Hobbit, it is perfect internal structure and it builds towards a magnificent and exuberant crescendo - a cut as perfectly timed as the famous cut that Williams scored in the chase sequence of ET when the bikes come in. Â Peter Jackson keeps the crescendo itself but replaces the build-up with something else, I wonder why. Â Nevertheless, I have rescored the scene with Shore's track on the album and even produced a more sync version, two of the easy ones that Jackson missed in the film - for the overhead of shot of Hobbiton and the last shot of the scene. Â Â There is almost something moving about the way Shore scores this scene, something poignant and brings a sense of yearning. What might seem irrational and impulsive in the images Shore gives meaning to and makes it understandable. Jay, TSMefford, Holko and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 Great work! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 These woodwind flourishes are to die for! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Kühni said: These woodwind flourishes are to die for!  For the 2 jumps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 2:33 AM, TheUlyssesian said:  For the 2 jumps?  Yeah. When I watched the video, those couple of moments actually made me laugh in appreciation. Sure, they're simple, but they're done so spot-on and naturally, I couldn't help but be like "Top notch film music, this." TheUlyssesian and Alan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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