Alex Shore 83 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 And Doug Adams is travelling NOW to New Zealand...with, yes, Howard Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 They're flying together? I'd love to "drop some eaves" on that conversation! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Btw this is what Doug Adams said on his blog about the CD release and speculation on the information on Amazon:Important to note that nothing has been formally announced. These are merely placeholders on Amazon. Press releases will clarify in time.Which is just what I expected really.'Clarify'? I hope they're not going to claim it's the complete score again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I would guess that they're more than just simply place holders when Amazon have prices up for them. Doug would have to say that though. Surely we can't be too far away from some kind of announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I would guess that they're more than just simply place holders when Amazon have prices up for them. Doug would have to say that though. Surely we can't be too far away from some kind of announcement?And the prices or product information on Amazon do not tend to change? Btw this is what Doug Adams said on his blog about the CD release and speculation on the information on Amazon:Important to note that nothing has been formally announced. These are merely placeholders on Amazon. Press releases will clarify in time.Which is just what I expected really.'Clarify'? I hope they're not going to claim it's the complete score again.I think a minuscule amount of the people who bought the album actually noted this or took offence but yes it would be better if they did not make untrue hyperbolic statements like that in the future. And perhaps that was the complete score of the film at some point, "Contains the complete score from the rough cut version of the film shown to the composer in June!" Alex Shore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 im sure eveyone noticed the CD did not contain the 'real' eagles music..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,715 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 im sure eveyone noticed the CD did not contain the 'real' eagles music..... So true! Every single comment on the A Good Omen videos on Youtube, Amazon reviews of the CD, etc. mention the fact that the film version wasn't included on the CD. There are people giving the product just one star because of that single fact (other also mentioning the fact that the "Dwarves song" doesn't appear many times on the album).Actually that is true and it is the most noticeable difference and shows that people took notice and were expecting the Nature's Reclamation ending to be on the CD ( a fair assumption and expectation really). People are becoming aware of these things in film music. Good. Also the sense of entitlement is closing on hard core film music fans. Good.And sadly they didn't sing the Dwarves song at every opporturnity. Plan 9 could have done awesome quick paced action settings where the whole gang would sing while they run from the goblins in the Goblin Town. A barber shop quartet at Rivendell, a rock ballad in the Trollshaws. Possibilities are endless (and wasted sadly). Alex Shore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I'm sure we could do a Dwarf theme on a loop video for two hours just to tide those people over. BB, are you up to the challange?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Shore 83 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 More Conrad Pope comments!Scott ask...Would love to see one of his sketches one day. Are they like JW's sketches? 7-8 lines short score?Conrad Pope says...I can't comment on anything I'm working on, Scott- I hope you understand, and what I'm about to write pertains in no way to my current work or the people I'm presently working with or for. It's merely a "rumination" about composers' "sketches" from someone who's work a long time, on many different films as an orchestrator. I'm often asked about JW's sketches, so here goes: JW's sketches AREN't sketches per se--- they are what the Germans refer to as a particell --- a short SCORE. The only composers who come close or equal that, whom I've worked for, are Jerry Goldsmith, Don Davis and William Ross-and, whose sketches I've seen: Bruce Broughton. In addition to being composers, these gentleman are and were "students" of the craft as well as original, thoughtful orchestrators/arrangers in their own right-- besides being composers! Their kind of "sketch" has dynamics, articulations and is reasonably complete and "orchestrally" conceived--- properly notated durations for the choirs, for the tempi they've chosen, etc.etc., "conductorly savvy", etc. That said, most writers today provide an mp3 and a MIDI sequence---- and call themselves "John Williams" because, after all, isn't THAT the music, isn't it all there ( if you've heard the "sequence"? No, sadly.) A well written short score is a novel, a letter which--- through the individual use of notation - can reveal an artistic soul. That many don't appreciate the coordination of the hand, eye and ear is an ever increasing problem today-- because, frankly, these skills are less relevant in today's music production mill. As one of my teachers replied to me when I said "Boy, writing music is hard", he said: "Writing music isn't hard, COMPOSING music is hard". I know my rambling this doesn't answer your question directly--- as I can't, but I hope it offer my view into-so called "sketching"--- which everyone does. No matter how you sketch, you always reveal the composer- and musician- you are. JW is "ne plus ultra". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wonderful read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Just remember to add synth drum-loop underneath. So they can dance to it.On a different subject: Thanks for sharing papal comments, Alex Shore.Karol Alex Shore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Someone should point out to this Scott fella that, if he wants to see Howard Shore sketches so badly, there is a book out there by a guy called Adams. Doug Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Plan 9 could have done awesome quick paced action settings where the whole gang would sing while they run from the goblins in the Goblin Town.Is it bad that I thought that was a cool idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 More Conrad Pope comments!Scott ask...Would love to see one of his sketches one day. Are they like JW's sketches? 7-8 lines short score?Conrad Pope says...I can't comment on anything I'm working on, Scott- I hope you understand, and what I'm about to write pertains in no way to my current work or the people I'm presently working with or for. It's merely a "rumination" about composers' "sketches" from someone who's work a long time, on many different films as an orchestrator. I'm often asked about JW's sketches, so here goes: JW's sketches AREN't sketches per se--- they are what the Germans refer to as a particell --- a short SCORE. The only composers who come close or equal that, whom I've worked for, are Jerry Goldsmith, Don Davis and William Ross-and, whose sketches I've seen: Bruce Broughton. In addition to being composers, these gentleman are and were "students" of the craft as well as original, thoughtful orchestrators/arrangers in their own right-- besides being composers! Their kind of "sketch" has dynamics, articulations and is reasonably complete and "orchestrally" conceived--- properly notated durations for the choirs, for the tempi they've chosen, etc.etc., "conductorly savvy", etc. That said, most writers today provide an mp3 and a MIDI sequence---- and call themselves "John Williams" because, after all, isn't THAT the music, isn't it all there ( if you've heard the "sequence"? No, sadly.) A well written short score is a novel, a letter which--- through the individual use of notation - can reveal an artistic soul. That many don't appreciate the coordination of the hand, eye and ear is an ever increasing problem today-- because, frankly, these skills are less relevant in today's music production mill. As one of my teachers replied to me when I said "Boy, writing music is hard", he said: "Writing music isn't hard, COMPOSING music is hard". I know my rambling this doesn't answer your question directly--- as I can't, but I hope it offer my view into-so called "sketching"--- which everyone does. No matter how you sketch, you always reveal the composer- and musician- you are. JW is "ne plus ultra".Makes me proud to be a sketchy kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Plan 9 could have done awesome quick paced action settings where the whole gang would sing while they run from the goblins in the Goblin Town.Is it bad that I thought that was a cool idea?Yes! Shame on you! Naughty Faleel! Naughty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I would actually like to hear an all male choir rendition of the full Tolkien song with the Plan 9 melody. That would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,715 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I would actually like to hear an all male choir rendition of the full Tolkien song with the Plan 9 melody. That would be cool.I'd love to hear a full blown out Khuzdul version when the Company joins the Battle Of Five Armies.OK now we need to send PJ a lot of e-mails and demand that he will give that as direction to Shore for scoring the battle. I am sure Howard will appreciate our gesture of robbing him the chance to use some of his own themes in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I would actually like to hear an all male choir rendition of the full Tolkien song with the Plan 9 melody. That would be cool.I'd love to hear a full blown out Khuzdul version when the Company joins the Battle Of Five Armies.Bingo. It has to happen surely, once that wall comes down? Could be one of the great musical moments of all six films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Plan 9 could have done awesome quick paced action settings where the whole gang would sing while they run from the goblins in the Goblin Town.Is it bad that I thought that was a cool idea?Yes! Shame on you! Naughty Faleel! Naughty!I just thought it would be kinda Tolkien, seeing as how they sing it quite a bit in the book IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Plan 9 could have done awesome quick paced action settings where the whole gang would sing while they run from the goblins in the Goblin Town.Is it bad that I thought that was a cool idea?Yes! Shame on you! Naughty Faleel! Naughty!I just thought it would be kinda Tolkien, seeing as how they sing it quite a bit in the book IIRC.They sing the song once at the beginning and later at Erebor paraphrase it for a few stanzas. So it is not so extensively used in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ah, the 1960's BBC version has polluted my memory, I thought that they sang it before they set out from Hobbiton, when entering mirkwood etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ah, the 1960's BBC version has polluted my memory, I thought that they sang it before they set out from Hobbiton, when entering mirkwood etc.Tolkien never uses the lyrics of the initial song heard at Bag End again but he does use the same rhyme and rhythm and the same theme of the Dwarven song in the novel 3 times. At Bag End, at Beorn's house and finally at Erebor. It of course makes sense not to repeat the original piece but rather extend the poetry with new stanzas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Tolkien is the next John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I would actually like to hear an all male choir rendition of the full Tolkien song with the Plan 9 melody. That would be cool. I'd love to hear a full blown out Khuzdul version when the Company joins the Battle Of Five Armies.Hmm...I think those would be a bit too blown up. I don't think the theme meshes well in the "For Frodo" or "Khazad-dum" setting. Unlike the Fellowship theme, this melody doesn't work as well in an action setting. It becomes all too exhausting, all too fast. Even in some of the action variations in Goblintown, it felt like we were hearing the same thing again.The Plan 9 melody works best in the 'big journey' kind of setting, as heard in cues in "The World is Ahead". In many ways, the melody reflects a kind of solemn folk/diagetic song- like structure. Thus it works really well in conveying majesty or grandeur, but put in a large scale action setting, it'll just sound too forced. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 You dare doubt the Howie? Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Sing it to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I would be very surprised if they were not still going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I would guess they will keep recording right up to the premiere lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 We should also hear who is doing the credits song soon... SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Oh wow, I had completely forgotten about that! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Yeah should hear any day now, if last year's anything to go by. http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/10/08/62953-neil-finn-of-crowded-house-provides-the-end-title-song-for-an-unexpected-journey/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 As long as the song/piece is written by Shore, I don't have objections towards any artist. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Bieber??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 As long as the Song/Piece is worked with by Shore, and the piece doesn't have all sorts of super-modern mixing techniques (Phasers, Bass Enhancement, Autotune etc.) I don't have any objections towards any artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I want to hear a super contemporary song, incorporating a Shore's Theme/s. Something like LMFAO's masterpiece - Party Rock Anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Bieber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I'd like a Lady Gaga song, complete with a video of her dressed as Galadriel, perhaps coming to the rescue of someone dressed as Gandalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Beorn This Way. Dixon Hill and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 Bieber???If the melody, the harmonisation, the orchestration is by Shore, the text by Boyens and Walsh, and Bieber only lends the voice, I'm perfectly content.I would even accept Leonard Nimoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Beorn Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Oh God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Get Springsteen to sing Beorn to Run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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