KK 3,307 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Good scenes. Lame movie. Romão and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,598 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Indeed. One of Tarantino's worst in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, KK said: Good scenes. Lame movie. My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, KK said: Good scenes. Lame movie. Right. It's a few good scenes plus nostalgia. Dalton was a really uniinteresting character to center a film around. A former star of a TV Western? Really, QT Oh well. QT has always alternated good and not so good films. Occasionally, he makes a great one (H8) 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: I liked the finale of Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood. Well, the thing with the pit bull was cool....😅 The flamethrower was funny also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, KK said: Good scenes. Lame movie. Kinda, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 20 hours ago, AC1 said: The Hateful Eight is too much of a Tarantino stage play for me. Silly of him to waste 70mm stock on it. . From SERGIO LÉONE WEBSITE a-fistful-of-leone.com "I don't think it is a stroke of genius, but also not a strange idea." QT was not the first to use a wide format for an intimate film." "People seem to think widescreen means outdoor panoramic vistas. Shooting in Ultra Panavision would probably been indiscernible . In fact, most theatres probably had to letterbox H8 to fit the 2:40 screen Anamorphic is actually well suited to indoor films with many characters. It allows.the director to keep a large cast in frame - like a theatre play- without having to pan and cut constantly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 7 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Dalton was a really uniinteresting character to center a film around. A former star of a TV Western? Really, QT I guess you hated Sunset Boulevard as well. I understand it's un-American to have sympathy for "a former star" because Americans only love a winner, but I thoroughly enjoyed Once Upon A Time In Hollywood from start to finish, which I can't always say about the ones you guys seem to prefer. Inglorious Bastards, Django Unchained, The Hateful Eight, Death Proof, ... They might contain good scenes but as a whole they failed to warm my heart. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 But, you didn't like CHERYNOBL.... Pretty much says it all. You have no taste, Alex.😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: But, you didn't like CHERYNOBL.... Fake news! (I liked it but that's it) 37 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: You have no taste, Alex.😜 Says the guy movies were bad until the search for the ultimate blockbuster began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think my favorite scenes in Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood was the Mac and Cheese scene in the trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think I really loved Hateful Eight precisely because of how stage play-e it was. I had no idea what to expect from the film at all actually, so it was quite surprising. I never expected to ever see such a thing as a Tarantino farce. crocodile and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I wanted to live inside Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: I wanted to live inside Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Loved it. Exactly! It's a portrait of an era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Quintus said: I think I really loved Hateful Eight precisely because of how stage play-e it was. I had no idea what to expect from the film at all actually, so it was quite surprising. I never expected to ever see such a thing as a Tarantino farce. It's a wonderful exercise in mounting tension in a restricted setting. Like the strongest scenes of Inglourious Basterds are. And the 70mm format fits it perfectly, including some wonderful split diopter shots. I missed Hollywood in theatres and am still waiting for a good deal on the Blu. Amazon has it for €4 and advertises "free shipping", but when I actually try to order it, it says shipping to Austria is €30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 John Carpenter trumps it and he didn't need 70mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, AC1 said: Exactly! It's a portrait of an era. That's what documentaries are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I liked The Hateful Eight quite a bit actually. Karol bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Chen G. said: That's what documentaries are for. What a strange thing to say. As if film can't be about a certain time period, its people, their lives, its social climate and the zeitgeist of that time. No explosions, no monster, no villain, no superpowers. I guess this too is a documentary. Sigh ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, AC1 said: As if film can't be about a certain time period, its people, their lives, its social climate and the zeitgeist of that time. It can, but only as a setting for the story and its characters. There's nothing wrong with putting a lot of energy into creating a believable setting, and there's nothing wrong taking some time to really immerse the audience in it, to let them "drink in" some of your visuals. But once you start to meander, fawning around your own evocation of a time and a place, and letting the story lag behind, you've failed as a storyteller. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Quintus said: I think I really loved Hateful Eight precisely because of how stage play-e it was. I had no idea what to expect from the film at all actually, so it was quite surprising. I never expected to ever see such a thing as a Tarantino farce. It had something to say, also. QT is one of the few, maybe the only director who confronts America's racist history straight on. I love that about him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Chen G. said: It can, but only as a setting for the story and the characters. Once you start to meander, fawning around your own evocation of a time and place, and letting the story lag for it, you've failed as a storyteller. I love meandering, evocation and mood. All part of building a world where the characters live. Fail to create a world and you have failed as a storyteller. In the end, the world and its characters will be a part of my memory, not the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Look, I like it when a movie takes its time, but there comes a point where it feels like the story and the characters are just there as an excuse to explore the world of the film. No, thank you. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chen G. said: No, thank you. Yes, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Again, if I want to know more about 1960s LA I'd watch a documentary, not a feature film that's supposed to be about these two guys but only sorta and not really, because look! the 1960s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If you know a good docu about the dreams and disillusions of people, where you really feel the spirit of the era, and that is able to transport me into that world, then I wouldn't mind watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If you want to know LA in the 50s- before the freeways and housing tracts ruined it- check out tv sbow HIGHWAY PATROL. It's a camp classic! 16 minutes ago, AC1 said: If you know a good docu about the dreams and disillusions of people, where you really feel the spirit of the era, and that is able to transport me into that world, then I wouldn't mind watching it. Docs THE WAY WEST NEW YORK : A DOCUMENTARY FILM Dramas" ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST THE GREAT GATSBY.( Fuhrman) THE DOORS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Howards End or perennial JWFan favourite The Remains of the Day, though? I'd probably pip for the latter, but really I'll take any M&I I can get, depending on how rainy the afternoon is outside. But if you really want to talk about windows into the past, Days of Heaven takes some beating. 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: Look, I like it when a movie takes its time, but there comes a point where it feels like the story and the characters are just there as an excuse to explore the world of the film. I don't understand this view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Chen G. said: It can, but only as a setting for the story and its characters. There's nothing wrong with putting a lot of energy into creating a believable setting, and there's nothing wrong taking some time to really immerse the audience in it, to let them "drink in" some of your visuals. But once you start to meander, fawning around your own evocation of a time and a place, and letting the story lag behind, you've failed as a storyteller. This is a well-beaten argument obviously, but I'd still point out that not all films have to be driven by story or characters. Sometimes films can be about manifesting a condition or a world, as long as it has something to say about it. I don't think Once Upon a Time succeeds on either front. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, bruce marshall said: QT is one of the few, maybe the only director who confronts America's racist history straight on. And he goes nowhere with it in H8. Django, however, is another story that may even be the most relevant film about racism of the past decade. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, KK said: This is a well-beaten argument obviously, but I'd still point out that not all films have to be driven by story or characters. Sometimes films can be about manifesting a condition or a world, as long as it has something to say about it. I don't think Once Upon a Time succeeds on either front. Obviously if someone wants to make a “Cinéma Pur”-type film, more power to them. I mean, I won’t be watching it or anything, but to each his own. But, as you say, Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood isn’t that: it is a film that is trying to tell a character story, but constantly gets bogged down in showing off its setting. I mean, you can blend the two, but for my money 99% of the time that fails rather than succeed. I do still like the finale, though. I like the atmosphere of the wee hours of the night in this villa, and the showdown is hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 OUTIH is literally a love or hate film. I don't hate it, but it felt empty to me. I guess you either buy into Rick Daltons saga or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 7 hours ago, KK said: ...as long as it has something to say about it. Art doesn't have to say anything. Although one could argue Once Upon A Time In Hollywood says a lot about Tarantino. After all, they say it's his most personal film. We're seeing his view on Hollywood, not the true Hollywood one might find in a documentary. 5 hours ago, bruce marshall said: OUTIH is literally a love or hate film. I don't hate it ... That means you love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, AC1 said: Art doesn't have to say anything. Although one could argue Once Upon A Time In Hollywood says a lot about Tarantino. After all, they say it's his most personal film. That means you love it. Well, I have a more nuanced take than the fan boys or the haters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 It can't have been that successful, if not for this message board I simply would have forgotten it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Great! The ones I always disagree with don't like it. There is order in the world after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, publicist said: It can't have been that successful, if not for this message board I simply would have forgotten it by now. It opened well, but was not a huge hit. QT gets more press than box office He doesn't have the mass appeal of someone like Nolan DU is his only real smash hit iirc. H But, he's cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 He meant successful in its artistic undertaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, AC1 said: Great! The ones I always disagree with don't like it. There is order in the world after all! I'm glad Publicist "forgot about it". It spared us one of his pretentious, NEW YORKER length film reviews!. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Well, that's pubs for ya. He likes words. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, AC1 said: Art doesn't have to say anything. Not in the sense of necessarily saying something intellectual, no. Its enough for the drama of the piece to have a fullfiling catharsis. As for Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood... I mean, I laughed at all the violence at the end, but that's the extent of its impact on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: As for Once Upon a Time...In America... I mean, I laughed at all the violence at the end, but that's the extent of its impact. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 Actually, pub is one of this board's best writers. Although, members who struggle with their "comprehensive reading" might find his prose a bit unwieldy, I suppose. Naïve Old Fart, bruce marshall, publicist and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 6 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Well, I have a more nuanced take than the fan boys or the haters! 5 hours ago, bruce marshall said: I'm glad Publicist "forgot about it". It spared us one of his pretentious, NEW YORKER length film reviews!. 😆 I don't have anything against you, but still, as far as pretentiousness and fanboyism goes, you have much more of that than pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Now it's getting chilly, here. This is wery bad, for my asthma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Quintus said: Actually, pub is one of this board's best writers. Although, members who struggle with their "comprehensive reading" might find his prose a bit unwieldy, I suppose. It's a message board. Short and succinct comments Save the essays for IMDB.😊 4 hours ago, Brundlefly said: I don't have anything against you, but still, as far as pretentiousness and fanboyism goes, you have much more of that than pub. SOURCE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/30/2020 at 10:07 AM, Disco Stu said: I wanted to live inside Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Loved it. Fine words man. The fairy tale quality of the film Drew me in to an era I grew up in but was vastly different than what I remember. It's nice to think of a world where Sharon Tate lived. On a side note none of this film discussion belongs in this thread. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Quintus said: Actually, pub is one of this board's best writers. Although, members who struggle with their "comprehensive reading" might find his prose a bit unwieldy, I suppose. Of course, YOU would say that. He's your role model. 😆 I look forward to you posting his bibliography. 😎 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Yikes! I didn't realise how much I missed having a Josh500 figure of fun character around these parts until you arrived on the scene 😀 bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: On a side note none of this film discussion belongs in this thread. Yeah, because here on JWFan we never digress from the main topic of the conversation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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