KK 3,307 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Lol yeah, sorry I was just wondering about the qui gon material itself.But yes, it's an absolutely lovely phrase. Was my favourite part of Qui Gon's Funeral anyway.I really have to listen to these scores again. The examples you've been posting Sharky sound more sublime than I remember....I may not have been giving ROTS enough credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I want to say that that rising and falling Lydian appoggiatura on the harp is echoing an earlier theme or narrative element, but I'm not too sure.It's been a while since I've heard the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I really have to listen to these scores again. The examples you've been posting Sharky sound more sublime than I remember....I may not have been giving ROTS enough credit. Anakin's Betrayal/5m3 Lament is my favourite cue of the entire prequel trilogy, and for that reason alone I prefer ROTS to the others. Wonderful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 The whole cue has a bit of Gorecki/Part vibe to it (among other things) doesn't it? 2:20 especially makes me think of Part's Cantus in Memorium for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 The whole cue has a bit of Gorecki/Part vibe to it (among other things) doesn't it? 2:20 especially makes me think of Part's Cantus in Memorium for some reason. Yes, I can see that. Those long sustained suspensions that slowly resolve downward are common in both. Very elegiac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I hope they go for a rougher, more brass heavy rendition of the main theme in the vein of the OT. The version used in the prequels was great but it feels a little too "polished". And I hope the LSO returns. I don't want another woefully underpowered performance of a classic John Williams theme (Indy 4, JP3) You're right. The digital age hasn't been kind to Williams' music. The brass hasn't sounded right for quite some time now. I feel like even a strong performance by the LSO for the Prequels was neutered in the recording/mixing process. Blame Shawn Murphy, poor performances, digital technology, whatever, but regardless of who or what is to blame, I find many Williams recordings from the 2000s pretty lackluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Donna who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Donna who?Donna Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Any ideas on the opening chord? I'm getting E5-F5-Ab5-C6-D#6-E6-G6. It's like an FmM9 with secundal bristling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Any ideas on the opening chord? I'm getting E5-F5-Ab5-C6-D#6-E6-G6. It's like an FmM9 with secundal bristling.Close, but there's a very subtle difference...G6E6D#6C6B5G#5F5E5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 You sunk my battleship! Once and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Can't wait to hear BB-8's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ahem, Droid Motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Repurposing themes now, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 BB-8 is a droid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I like how the images are filtered on those cards. Looks more Star Warsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,645 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ahem, Droid Motif.Is that the one that appears exclusively in ESB, mainly on Hoth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,425 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yes, exclusively in TESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's spotlighted in Crash Landing, one of my favorite cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ahem, Droid Motif.Is that the one that appears exclusively in ESB, mainly on Hoth?Yeh.It appears in ESB in 2 scenes.More like sequences (atleast Hoth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,645 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah, I'd love to see that theme make a reappearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,425 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I dunno what I was thinking before It appears in: The Ice Planet HothThe Wampa's LairBeneath The AT-ATArrival on DagobahBetrayal At BespinDeal With The Dark LordHyperspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don't think it should return because it wasn't in Return of the Jedi. It's something unique to Empire, keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,645 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don't think it should return because it wasn't in Return of the Jedi. It's something unique to Empire, keep it that way.Good point. I'd rather have more new material anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I had no idea I'd actually posted in this thread, but I'll chalk it up to ghostly activity on behalf of my (still somewhat intimidating) new smart phone...Anyway; looking at the quoted information, I'll rush to add that for a very short while, again courtesy of my far too sophisticatedphone but its startlingly less than stellar speakers, I kept interpreting the opening cluster as E5-F5-Ab5-B5 (vn2 div á 4) and C6-E6-F6-G6 (vn1 div á 4), at least for a couple of listens...Now, what's absolutely brilliant,is the music that follows! As has already been pointed out, it's a very clever transformation of the opening accents of "Sail Barge Assault", but extending the tension for another few measures, as well as building an entirely new, albeit star wars-ian shadowy scherzo, the harmonic gist of which would be: D (with boiling D-C#-Eb cluster), C# (frenetic activity centered around D and E), C (vs.Eb minor, as well as melodic activity on G, C#, D# and E), Bb (w/E minor, as well as continued melodic activity on G, C#, D# and E), and Fmin/A, before settling on a unison F# (and subsequently launching the ominous low E in horns (?)).At any rate, I'm thrilled Williams invested the time and energy to revisit as well as revitalize this old cue, and I find his fertile re-imagining inspiring!Any ideas on the opening chord? I'm getting E5-F5-Ab5-C6-D#6-E6-G6. It's like an FmM9 with secundal bristling.Close, but there's a very subtle difference...G6E6D#6C6B5G#5F5E5Yes! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don't think it should return because it wasn't in Return of the Jedi. It's something unique to Empire, keep it that way.RotJ had its own comedic droid motif in the opening scenes on Tatooine. I wonder whatever made them abandon the first one from TESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Maybe because aside from that moment on Tatooine, the droids weren't together much. Most of their scenes in Jabba's palace were unscored or using source music. Endor provided opportunities but the action music overruled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Second fiddle for the supporting cast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah, I'd love to see that theme make a reappearance. Said in 83, 99, 02 and 05.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I hope be brings back the Imperial/Death Star motif from Star Wars for the clone army! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I hope he brings back Duel of the Fates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I hope there's room left for some new stuff.. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I actually hope he brings back that brief archaic Sith music from the Palpatine/Anakin scene in ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I actually hope he brings back that brief archaic Sith music from the Palpatine/Anakin scene in ROTS.Timestamp? (I think I know what you are referring to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 No timestamp since it's unreleased, but you probably do. We've discussed it on here before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 No timestamp since it's unreleased.Well, there are videos on Youtube. This scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Williams did a bunch of minor one-off motifs for the Anakin/Emperor scenes in Sith. There was Palpatine's Big Pitch, I Am the Senate, Palpatine Instructs Anakin and Anakin's Dark Deeds (the hologram music). All of them were awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Ah yes. 0:20. The whole scene is excellently scored though.It's such a simple little phrase, just a cadence really, but it's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I am not going to argue the point very far, (since I am not prepared) but I think some of those motives appeared in more than just those cues.Ah yes. 0:20.I wonder if its a development of the same motive we hear at the end of Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious.There is a short recurring device that Appears in Goodbye Old Friend and Riding the Lizard too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Hey, as long as the score is as entertaining as the Prequels and we (hopefully) get some action music on the level of, say, The Boys Continue with incredible fucking fanfares the likes of which Williams hasn't done since, I'll be satisfied. I just hope it doesn't end up being a boring piece of crap like Crystal Skull. I'm drunk, but I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Hey, as long as the score is as entertaining as the Prequels and we (hopefully) get some action music on the level of, say, The Boys Continue with incredible fanfares the likes of which Williams hasn't done since, I'll be satisfied. I just hope it doesn't end up being a boring piece of crap like TintinFixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 That too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 The stopped horns at 0:38 do sound similar to something in Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 The stopped horns at 0:38 do sound similar to something in Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, yeah.Well, I mean 1:28 of GSTLS compared to 0:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't hear much relation there, unless I'm listening to the wrong version of that cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't know, the up and down-ness I guess seems similar.Hard to describe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It sounds to me like an extension of Grievous' material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Compare 0:53 of this:With the strings at 1:27 of this : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 In Revenge of the Sith, Williams really nailed that villainous sound to musically embody the dark side, while, of course, utilizing the existing Imperial March and Emperor themes to great effect. It just goes to show that he can not only reuse existing themes in awesome new ways (see: Vader's theme at the end of Padme's Funeral, which sounds fucking amazing and on the level of its appearances in the original films), but also come up with a crapload of awesome new material for each successive scene. I mean, the guy was inspired and I think Sith was his last really good score for this style of film. He hasn't really let loose like this since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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