crumbs 14,318 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 These are brilliant @ragoz350, thanks for sharing! Great to know both have been recorded. A big chunk of 5M45R was in one of the TFA docos, and I've heard the very end of 5M45R Alt somewhere too. The proto-Chrome Dome – Wow!! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Thank you for this terrific work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 8 hours ago, crumbs said: Great to know both have been recorded. A big chunk of 5M45R was in one of the TFA docos, and I've heard the very end of 5M45R Alt somewhere too. There’s a tiny bit of 5M45R Alt that’s actually in the film, tracked during Rey’s vision. GEMA lists it as “Finn Fight Alt”. crumbs and Faleel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, BrotherSound said: There’s a tiny bit of 5M45R Alt that’s actually in the film, tracked during Rey’s vision. GEMA lists it as “Finn Fight Alt”. Which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Which part? It’s mixed simultaneously with a different cue, but there’s a few repeated timpani notes from 5M45R Alt audible at one point, when the Knights of Ren are shown onscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 Ah, so its the bit mixed with one of the Hand Opening cue versions. BrotherSound and ragoz350 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Ah, so its the bit mixed with one of the Hand Opening cue versions. Right. There’s a lot of tracking in this sequence: there’s also some bits taken from 2M12 Poe Under Torture and 6M56B R v1 (New Ending) Kylo’s Rage, possibly more, as well as some of the intended 4M38A R Rey’s Dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 17/08/2022 at 5:34 AM, ragoz350 said: The Force Awakens. 5m46 [Kylo Stalks Rey] 5m45R [Back to Battle] 5m45R Alt This cue is for one of the battle scenes on the forest planet, when Han and Chewie fight off the stormtroopers and Finn gets and uses the lightsaber. 0. 5m46 [Kylo Stalks Rey] (probably June, fixed on July 3) In fact, the history of these cues is somewhat confusing. This scene was originally divided into two parts (separated when the lightsaber is activated), and in between was another scene where Kylo discovers Rey in the forest, with their dialogue apparently cut out. JW wrote 5m46 cue for the Rey/Kylo scene and the second part of the battle scene. Of the cue, only its opening and ending are available (the material of which has been kept in later versions). In this video, I've tried to restore the beginning of the old cue (with a presumably abridged montage of the battle scene). The middle of the cue is unknown, and the ending (when Finn fights the stormtrooper) is the same as the one in 5m45R. 1. 5m45R [Back to Battle] (no later than August 3; recorded) The scene has been re-edited, and William Ross had to redo this cue. In addition to using material from the old version, Ross added new stuff, most likely based on JW's ideas. The result is a fun cue with a mix of very different action material. Since in the final edit the scene is completely without music, I mixed my mockup with SFX. There are also differences from the final edit: I had to reduce Han's shots at the beginning of the scene, as well as inserting a black screen during the final duel (not sure if it's in the right place). 2. 5m45R Alt (no later than August 3) JW later wrote an alternate ending to accompany the duel. A completely different approach, which then returned in Chrome Dome from The Last Jedi. Here are my mockups in isolated form (for better quality you can download them): ragoz350 · TFA 5M45R I finally had a chance to check this out, and boy, it was really interesting! Thanks so much for continuing to make these, this is some of the fascinating insights we've had here in a while. Do you think I should break out all your work into its own separate thread, or do you prefer being inside this existing thread? Also, the more I hear the earlier compositions of this score, the more I feel like the first idea JW had for the whole film is the best, and the rewrites, while containing many gems, are more often lesser than the originals. Boy I'd kill to just have all the recordings, though a future proper expansion will probably be just as amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jay said: Do you think I should break out all your work into its own separate thread, or do you prefer being inside this existing thread? I wouldn't want a separate thread: all the videos of the restored SW scores would be in one place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 OK then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted November 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2022 The Force Awakens. 6m57 - Rey's Rope Climb 6m57R - Rey's Rope Climb 6m57R Alt Ending - Rey On The Wall The scene where Rey quietly scaling the wall, hiding from the stormtroopers. In fact, a total of three versions of the cue were written for this, and they were all written when the scene was located elsewhere in the movie: after Han, Finn and Chewy go to infiltrate the base. 1. 6m57 Rey's Rope Climb (written no later than March 30) JW decides to use a quiet piano/synth ostinato throughout the cue, with interjections of the Rey's theme on the harp. This version is longer than the final edit. There are two big "swells" in the cue, and both end with the "Door Opens" sync hint, so Rey wasn't initially able to hit the hatch the first time (probably?). Also, after that, there should have been another little scene where the imperial droid drives past Rey in the hallway: this moment is in both novelizations: Spoiler Foster: First she had to get across. Once, she encountered a small service droid coming toward her. She held her breath, but it ignored her, intent only upon its programmed tasks. Kogge: A repair droid trundled toward her, then continued past to perform some preprogrammed function. Rey hastened across the bay, not trusting that another droid would be so ignorant. 2. 6m57R Rey's Rope Climb (no later than June 11; recorded) In the revised version JW uses the same idea, adding a slight variety. This version is already shorter, but still has differences from the final edit: it seems that in the beginning there was added another shot with Rey hiding (then later it was moved again), and at the end there was still a scene with the droid. 3. 6m57R Alt Ending Rey On The Wall (probably August, fixed on September 3; recorded) This cue replaces the second half of 6m57R, and is in fact written by W. Ross (probably, based on JW's idea). A more tense but less minimalistic approach is used here, which was left in the movie (in abridged form). Holko, MrJosh, Smaug The Iron and 8 others 4 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Wonderful work! I really like the revisions Williams made going from 6M57 to 6M57R, although for the original version it's cool that the focus on the TIE fighter gets one pizzicato in low strings, and then when camera focuses on Stormtroopers, another pizzicato. Neat little detail. Also interesting to hear Rey's them in soft harp like that in the original. ragoz350 and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted April 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2023 The Force Awakens. I have tried to 'restore' the earliest versions of the cues from the beginning of the film. See Spoiler for the history of the versions of these cues, as it is very confusing (suddenly). Spoiler ---~December 2014--- JW originally wrote 4 cues for this sequence: 1m2 'Hand' Opening 1m3A The First Order Approaches 1m3B The Attack On The Village 1m4 The Arrival of Kylo Ren These are some of the first cues written for the film. They appear to have been written in Dec 2014 (possibly 1m3B later). ---May 2015--- Before their recording, the editing changed, so JW wrote revised versions in May 2015. They are mostly based on the old material, plus Kylo's themes were added. 1m2R 'Hand' Opening (+New Ending) 1m3AR The First Order Approaches 1m3BR The Attack On The Village 1m4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren ---July 2015--- The editing continued to change and JW had to rewrite the first half of the sequence from scratch. Two cues were written in July with completely different material. At the same time, the scene with the introduction of Leia and the droids was at the end of the sequence, so one insert was written (see mockup here). The order of the cues would be like this: 1m2R 'Hand' Opening (first half of the cue) 1m3C I've Seen Too Much 1m3D The Attack on the Village 1m3BR The Attack on the Village (second half of the cue) 1m4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren 1m4A Introductions 1m4R (the rest of the cue) ---October/November 2015--- October saw experiments with editing the beginning of the sequence, so JW wrote 4 versions of the new 1m1A Starry Night cue. Two inserts (1m2A and 1m2B) were also written in November, which can be counted as the fifth version. Also in November two inserts were written for the ending (1m4B Landing and 1m4D Fix on Fix), where the first shortens it, the second extends it again. Order: 1m1A Starry Night (1 of 4 versions, plus inserts 1m2A fix and 1m2B) 1m3C I've Seen Too Much 1m3D The Attack on the Village 1m3BR The Attack on the Village (second half of the cue) 1m4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren 1m4B Landing or 1m4D Fix on Fix Here I have tried to recreate the earliest versions of these cues. However, the original 1m2 isn't available, so I used 1m2R instead. In the spoiler the approximate differences between these versions: Spoiler Completely rewritten cue opening [0:17-0:52 in video] (the original had a lot less bars here, so it was something even more atmospheric). The next section is adapted to the new cut (the first bars was changed [0:52-0:58], one 3/4 bar [at 1:08; ~2 sec] has been removed). Last chord of section slightly changed (high trumpets); added tam-tam. New material when BB8 appears [1:24-1:36] (the original had 2 bars more here). This is the only piece that is in later versions of the cue. New bars for the end of the Tekka and Poe dialogue [2:02-2:12] (the original had 1 bar more). New bars at the very end of the cue [2:18-2:23] Some notes about these early cues: 1m2R 'Hand' Opening The beginning of the cue was intended for the deleted scene with Luke's falling arm and lightsaber. Apparently the Force theme sounds when the saber is picked up by some hand (according to the shot list). The material for Tekka and Poe's dialogue was later used in 7m65B Father and Son (Torn Apart). 1m3A The First Order Approaches The second half of the cue is for the deleted scene where Poe prepares to take off and sends a message. This is briefly described in the novelisations, including the phrase "We're going", which made it into the JW sketch. Spoiler Kogge: 1m3B The Attack On The Village The shots of the stormtroopers atrocities I inserted just after they landed. Interestingly, the map handover to BB8 scene was originally later, after Ren's ship landed. Also inserted the deleted scene with the woman, it's no longer in the later version. 1m4 The Arrival of Kylo Ren It's complicated here. Lots of deleted bits (e.g. Poe watching Tekka and Kylo's dialogue). Poe's interaction with Ren was also different: Poe is searched immediately, then they look at each other in silence. There were apparently a few more shots of Finn during the firing. Apparently there was no scene of Finn getting hit by a frozen blast. Note: Since some music was written a year (!) before the film's release, there are a lot of shot lengths differences that I ignored, so the sync isn't very accurate. But I traditionally write sync hints in the places where JW wrote them in the sketches. BrotherSound, MrJosh, Manakin Skywalker and 14 others 8 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 5 hours ago, ragoz350 said: Magnificent work, @ragoz350. Some things work quite well here, musically, perhaps even better than the ultimate version of TFA -- the big First Order theme and more aggressive martial quality in general for the troopers' arrival. But man do I miss that stunning reveal of Kylo's theme from the final score. crumbs and ragoz350 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 The hand opening is still such a damn weird idea, it has nothing to do with the first scene, or most of the movie for that matter. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Brilliant work @ragoz350! I can finally visualise that hand opening with the ominous music attached. Also surprising how far JW got into writing before cracking the theme for the film's villain. Isn't mapping out the thematic structure usually step one in his writing process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 hours ago, crumbs said: Brilliant work @ragoz350! I can finally visualise that hand opening with the ominous music attached. Also surprising how far JW got into writing before cracking the theme for the film's villain. Isn't mapping out the thematic structure usually step one in his writing process? Perhaps it was a TMP situation where JJ heard the early cues and said, "There's no theme, Johnny!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Great work @ragoz350! This is certainly quite a mess. Does anyone know if Williams did actually record any of those early version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 12 hours ago, crumbs said: Also surprising how far JW got into writing before cracking the theme for the film's villain. Isn't mapping out the thematic structure usually step one in his writing process? This four-note motif coincides with Kylo’s first appearance and recurs four times. I’m thinking it’s his first stab at a Kylo theme: MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: Great work @ragoz350! This is certainly quite a mess. Does anyone know if Williams did actually record any of those early version? Some bits of this shows up tracked in to other places or in the documentaries, so it seems some was. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Holko said: The hand opening is still such a damn weird idea, it has nothing to do with the first scene, or most of the movie for that matter. This scene was originally supposed to be related to Maz's flashbacks, when she was telling Rey and Co the story of how the saber passed from hand to hand, ended up at Ren's, and Maz stole it (afaik). But during filming, the idea of the chest and Rey's visions for that purpose came up. And then that scene (visions) was reedited in a chaotic way, so that Hand opening lost all meaning. 3 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: Does anyone know if Williams did actually record any of those early version? Of my mockups, presumably only 1m2R was recorded (but with New Ending, which has a different instrumentation). The other cues had only the revised versions recorded. 1m3AR is almost the same as the original version, but in 1m3BR the march was noticeably shortened (for example). In 1m4R there are also quite a few differences (including the extended ending, which was subsequently removed). Here, for example, is the beginning of 1m3BR (from documentaries): enderdrag64, MrJosh and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Not recorded: 1M2 Hand Opening 1M3A The First Order Approaches 1M3B The Attack On The Village 1M4 The Arrival of Kylo Ren Recorded: 1M2R Hand Opening {New Ending & Additions} 1M3AR The First Order Approaches 1M3BR The Attack On The Village 1M4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren 1M3C I've Seen Too Much 1M3D The Attack on the Village 1M4A Introductions 1M1A Starry Night {4 versions} 1M2A Fix 1M2B 1M4B Landing 1M4D Fix on Fix enderdrag64, BrotherSound, MrJosh and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 @Jay + 1M2B (insert) also recorded and used in the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Yea I already fixed my post just before you replied BTW, I put this together a while back to help visualize how the opening of the movie changed: Anything crossed out was never recorded. Anything bold is new compared to the previous iteration of the sequence. Anything in italics with a different color background is the tracked music in the final cut. MrJosh, enderdrag64, Manakin Skywalker and 3 others 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Mike Matessino (hopefully) in the near future: What a mess... What would that make, like 2-4 alternates on a hypothetical expansion? Brando, Courtney Sees Ghosts and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Actually, I think presenting this music is pretty straightforward, surprisingly. The first track in the main program would represent the final version with all the final inserts, like this: 1M1 Main Title 1M1Av3 Starry Night w/ 1M2A (Fix) & 1M2B inserted 1M3C I've Seen Too Much [b7-end] 1M3D The Attack On The Village 1M3BR The Attack On The Village [b15-end] 1M4R (with fixes 5-27) The Arrival Of Kylo Ren [b1-56] 1M4D Fix on Fix Then, the first track in the bonus track section would showcase the first version of the sequence, like this: 1M1 Main Title 1M2R (New Ending) Hand Opening 1M3AR The First Order Approaches 1M3BR The Attack On The Village 1M4R (with fixes 5-27) The Arrival Of Kylo Ren Then you'd only need 3 other bonus tracks in the bonus track section: "Starry Nights" 1M1Av1 Starry Night 1M1Av2 Starry Night 1M1Av3 Starry Night 1M1Av3 (Free Version) Starry Night "I've Seen Too Much" 1M3C I've Seen Too Much (w/ full opening, since main program version omits the first 6 bars) "Introductions" 1M4A Introductions 1M4B Landing (fits here perfectly, since 1M4A was written to segue into bar 57 of 1M4R, which this cue opens with a re-recording of) Simpler than expected, eh? BrotherSound, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Brando and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Jay said: Yea I already fixed my post just before you replied BTW, I put this together a while back to help visualize how the opening of the movie changed: Anything crossed out was never recorded. Anything bold is new compared to the previous column. Italics is tracked music intended for a different scene. Looks like there's some bar numbers I never got around to figuring out if anyone is interesting in helping out Wow that is insanely cool - are you working on something like this for the rest of the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Not now, maybe someday enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Jay said: Simpler than expected, eh? Jay and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,530 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Jay said: Actually, I think presenting this music is pretty straightforward, surprisingly. The first track in the main program would represent the final version with all the final inserts, like this: 1M1 Main Title 1M1Av3 Starry Night w/ 1M2A (Fix) & 1M2B inserted 1M3C I've Seen Too Much [b7-end] 1M3D The Attack On The Village 1M3BR The Attack On The Village [b15-end] 1M4R (with fixes 5-27) The Arrival Of Kylo Ren [b1-56] 1M4B Landing [b1-6] 1M4D Fix on Fix Then, the first track in the bonus track section would showcase the first version of the sequence, like this: 1M1 Main Title 1M2R (New Ending) Hand Opening 1M3AR The First Order Approaches 1M3BR The Attack On The Village 1M4R (with fixes 5-27) The Arrival Of Kylo Ren After those 2 assemblies, there's only 4 things left that are not included in either track: 1M1A Starry Night (4 versions, including v3 w/o inserts) 1M3C I've Seen Too Much (w/ full opening, since main program version omits the first 6 bars) 1M4A Introductions (unused cue) 1M4B Landing (w/ full ending, since the main program version replaces the ending with Fix on Fix) And those can just be their own little bonus tracks later in the bonus track section. Simpler than expected, eh? Discs 1-2, final revisions main program Discs 3-4, first versions of everything main program, with repetitions if necessary. Disc 5 and/or gaps of discs 2 and 4, everything else left over. TROS might need a disc 5-6 for a middle versions program Manakin Skywalker, enderdrag64, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Holko said: Discs 1-2, final revisions main program Discs 3-4, first versions of everything main program, with repetitions if necessary. Disc 5 and/or gaps of discs 2 and 4, everything else left over. You should be able to fit TFA on 3 discs. I roughly timed it out: Disc 1 Film Score Presentation Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village (Extended Version) 8:27 The Arrival of Kylo Ren 3:47 The Scavenger 3:48 Rey Meets BB-8 2:02 Poe Under Torture 1:17 The Droid Is Not For Sale* 1:06 I Can Fly Anything (Extended Version) 4:59 Finn’s Trek* 1:35 That Girl With the Staff 1:46 Follow Me and The Falcon 6:48 What’s Your Name 1:44 No, No…No!* 1:22 You’re Han Solo?** 3:53 The Rathtars! (Extended Version)** 8:03 Leia, C3PO and R2** 1:02 Snoke** 2:08 The Map Scene* 1:26 Arrival at Takodana / You Got A Name 2:01 I’ve Found the Droid / Talking With Grandfather* 1:36 Maz’s Counsel (Film Version) 1:22 Finn’s Confession 1:06 Rey’s Vision* 2:58 I Have To Get Back / The Beam Is Released* 2:54 The Starkiller 1:50 Disc 1 Total: 72:59 Disc 2 Film Score Presentation (Continued) Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (Extended Version)** 6:22 The Resistance Arrives* 1:35 The Abduction 2:24 Han and Leia (Extended Version)** 5:35 Parental Discussion 2:10 Don’t Be Afraid* 3:13 Bring Her To Me / You Will Remove These Restraints* 2:26 Council Meeting* / Preparing for the Mission* 2:59 Kylo’s Rage* 1:02 To Lightspeed* / Ice Landing* 2:11 Kylo in the Falcon* / Rey on the Wall* 2:34 The Bombing Run* / Hug Later* 2:38 I Can Get Us In* 2:17 On the Inside 2:20 Torn Apart (Extended Version)** 5:19 The Ways of the Force (Extended Version)** 6:49 Farewell and the Trip (Extended Version) 5:58 The Jedi Steps and Finale 9:58 Disc 2 Score: 65:41 Total Score Time: 2:18:55 Additional Music Scherzo for X-Wings 2:35 Rey’s Theme 3:11 March of the Resistance 2:34 Disc 2 Total: 74:01 Disc 3 Additional Music (Continued) Attack on the Jakku Village (Alternate)** 10:22 Starry Night** 3:32 The Scavenger (Alternate)** 3:46 Rey Meets BB-8 (Alternate)* 0:58 I Can Fly Anything 4:16** (Alternate) BB-8 and Rey Continued* 0:37 Follow Me (Alternate) 1:48 Snoke (Alternate)* 2:32 You Got A Name?* 1:16 (Alternate) Talking With Grandfather (Alternate)* 1:34 The Starkiller (Alternate)* 0:53 Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (Alternate)** 4:12 The Abduction (Alternate) 2:23 Han and Leia (Alternate) 1:12 The Bombing Run (Film Version)* 2:08 Torn Apart (Alternate) 4:02 It Is You** 2:23 The Ways of the Force (Alternate)* 4:58 The Journey Home** 2:05 The Jedi Steps And Finale (Alternate)** 8:52 Teaser* 1:30 Trailer #1* 2:00 Trailer #2* 2:00 Disc 3 Total: 69:21 Three-disc Total: 3:36:21 *Previously unreleased **Contains previously unreleased material Jay, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Courtney Sees Ghosts and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 Absolute perfection. BrotherSound, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 If one were to only present the opening sequence music variations as full assemblies, you would need 4 versions (And there's still 3 other versions of Starry Night not accounted for, but what are you gonna do) But I prefer my idea of doing 2 big assemblies, with the remaining cues not in either in other short tracks. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jay said: If one were to only present the opening sequence music variations as full assemblies, you would need 4 versions (And there's still 3 other versions of Starry Night not accounted for, but what are you gonna do) But I prefer my idea of doing 2 assemblies, with the remaining bits as separate little tracks In my theoretical version, 1M4A Introductions is part of the alternate track, and 'Starry Night' is a mini-suite of all the other versions. I guess I didn't account for all three possible endings of 1M4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren: original, 1M4B, and 1M4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 Yea, that's why I like the main program ending with Fix on Fix, the alternate ending with 1M4R, and using 1M4B as the ending of 1M4A enderdrag64, BrotherSound and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea, that's why I like the main program ending with Fix on Fix, the alternate ending with 1M4R, and letting the full 1M4B just be its own little bonus track somewhere Like Could Have Done More, that could work. Or include multiple versions in one track by somehow cleverly combining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 1m4D already contains all the bars from 1m4B. And 1m4B can be heard in the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Sure but those bars were still re-recorded for Fix on Fix, so to release everything recorded for the project you still need to find room for both. IIRC there's performance differences among those 6 bars (comparing the OST's 1M4B to the FYC's Fix on Fix) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 Great work @ragoz350, loved watching and listening to that opening. Great mockups, research and editing! It's a shame that 1M3B wasn't recorded, I really like that cue a lot. I know some chunks end up in 1M3BR, but I love the extended military opening of 1M3B which only exists in that cue. Thanks @BrotherSound for your hypothetical track listing, so cool to read through it and imagine possibilities. Same for @Jay and your idea of how to present this score, great ideas! BrotherSound, Jay and ragoz350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, MrJosh said: Thanks @BrotherSound for your hypothetical track listing, so cool to read through it and imagine possibilities. Here's a breakdown if you're interested. I've done these for TLJ and TROS as well. Disc 1 Film Score Presentation Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village** 12:14 [1M1, 1M1A v3, 1M2A, 1M2B, 1M3C, 1M3D, 1M3BR, 1M4R, 1M4D] The Scavenger 3:48 [1M5 Alt 2A Insert, 1M6 Alt R, 1M7 Flute Version] Rey Meets BB-8** 2:02 [2M11 R Alt, 2M11] Poe Under Torture* 1:17 [2M12] The Droid is Not for Sale* 1:06 [2M13R] I Can Fly Anything (Film Version)** 4:59 [2M14R v2 Alt Intro, 2M14R, 2M15R, 2M15R Insert] Finn’s Trek* 1:35 [2M17AR] That Girl With the Staff 1:46 [2M18A] Follow Me and The Falcon 6:48 [2M18B, 2M18CR, 2M18C Insert II, 3M20R] What’s Your Name / Kylo and His Saber 1:44 [3M21R, 3M22R] No, No…No!* 1:22 [3M23R] Hiding Under the Grate** / You’re Han Solo?** 3:53 [3M24R, 3M26R] The Rathtars! (Extended Version)** 8:03 [3M27, 3M28, 3M28AR] Leia, C3PO and R2 1:02 [3M29R] Snoke** 2:08 [4M30A, 8M78] The Map Scene* 1:26 [4M31RR] Arrival at Takodana / You Got A Name 2:01 [4M32R, 4M33R, 4M33R Insert] I’ve Found the Droid / Talking With Grandfather* 1:36 [4M37, 4M31A] Maz’s Counsel 1:22 [4M35R] Finn’s Confession 1:06 [4M36R] Rey’s Vision* 2:58 [4M38R, 4M38AR] I Have To Get Back / The Beam Is Released* 2:54 [4M39R, 5M40] The Starkiller 1:50 [8M81] Disc 1 Total: 72:59 Disc 2 Film Score Presentation (Continued) Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle** / Finn Fights The Trooper* 3:18 [5M43R Fix, 5M43A, 5M44, 5M45R] The Resistance Arrives* 1:35 [5M47 v2] The Abduction 2:24 [5M46R, 5M48, 5M49R] Han and Leia / Finn and Poe** 5:35 [6M50R, 6M51R] Parental Discussion [6M52, 6M53] 2:10 Don’t Be Afraid* 3:13 [6M53A, 6M54R] Bring Her To Me / You Will Remove These Restraints* 2:26 [6M54A New, 6M54B] Council Meeting* / Preparing for the Mission* 2:59 [6M55R, 6M56R Ext] Kylo’s Rage* 1:02 [6M56B R v1] To Lightspeed* / Ice Landing* 2:11 [6M56C, 6M56D] Kylo in the Falcon* / Rey on the Wall* 2:34 [6M56E, 6M56F, 6M57R, 6M57R Alt Ending] The Bombing Run* / Hug Later* 2:38 [6M58, 7M60] I Can Get Us In* 2:17 [7M61, 7M62] On the Inside 2:20 [7M62A w/ insert] Torn Apart (Extended Version)** 5:19 [7M65B, 7M65C, 7M65, 7M66] The Ways of the Force (Extended Version)** 6:49 [7M67R, 7M67B F, 8M80, 7M67C, 7M67A] Farewell and the Trip (Extended Version)** 5:58 [7M68A, 7M68, 8M72, 8M73] The Jedi Steps and Finale (Film Version) 9:58 [8M74, Finale (11/11/15)] Disc 2 Score: 65:41 Total Score Time: 2:18:40 Additional Music Scherzo for X-Wings 2:35 Rey’s Theme 3:11 March of the Resistance 2:34 Disc 2 Total: 74:01 Disc 3 Additional Music (Continued) Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village (Alternate) 12:22 [1M1, 1M2R New Ending, 1M3AR, 1M3BR, 1M4R, 1M4A, 1M4B] Starry Night 3:32 [1M1A Free Version, 1M1A v2, 1M1A] The Scavenger (Alternate) 3:46 [1M5 Alt 2, 1M6R Alt, 1M7] Rey Meets BB-8 (Alternate) 0:58 [2M11R Alt] I Can Fly Anything 4:16 [2M14R, 2M15R] BB-8 and Rey Continued 0:37 [2M12A] Follow Me (Alternate) 1:48 [3M20R] Snoke (Alternate) 2:32 [4M30] You Got A Name? 1:16 (Alternate) [4M33R] Talking With Grandfather (Alternate) 1:34 [2M17R] Leia's Condolence Speech 0:55 [5M41] Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (Alternate) 4:12 [5M34R, 5M44 Alt Intro v1, 5M44, 5M45R, 5M45R Alt Ending] The Abduction (Alternate) 2:23 [5M46R, 5M48, 5M49A] Han and Leia (Alternate) [6M50R v2] 1:12 The Bombing Run (Film Version) 2:08 [6M56C, 6M58] On the Inside (Alternate) [7M62A, no insert] 2:20 Torn Apart (Alternate) 4:02 [7M65, 7M65 Insert, 7M65A] It Is You 2:23 [7M67B, 7M67R, 8M80, 8M80A] The Ways of the Force (Alternate) 4:58 [7M67] The Journey Home 2:05 [7M68] The Jedi Steps And Finale (Alternate) 8:52 [8M74 Alt, 8M74A, End Credits (9/23/15), Finale Tag] Teaser 1:30 Trailer #1 2:00 Trailer #2 2:00 MrJosh, Brando, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I love these threads so damn much. BrotherSound and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 2:55 PM, BrotherSound said: Here's a breakdown if you're interested. I've done these for TLJ and TROS as well. Disc 1 Film Score Presentation Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village** 12:14 [1M1, 1M1A v3, 1M2A, 1M2B, 1M3C, 1M3D, 1M3BR, 1M4R, 1M4D] The Scavenger 3:48 [1M5 Alt 2A Insert, 1M6 Alt R, 1M7 Flute Version] Rey Meets BB-8** 2:02 [2M11 R Alt, 2M11] Poe Under Torture* 1:17 [2M12] The Droid is Not for Sale* 1:06 [2M13R] I Can Fly Anything (Film Version)** 4:59 [2M14R v2 Alt Intro, 2M14R, 2M15R, 2M15R Insert] Finn’s Trek* 1:35 [2M17AR] That Girl With the Staff 1:46 [2M18A] Follow Me and The Falcon 6:48 [2M18B, 2M18CR, 2M18C Insert II, 3M20R] What’s Your Name / Kylo and His Saber 1:44 [3M21R, 3M22R] No, No…No!* 1:22 [3M23R] Hiding Under the Grate** / You’re Han Solo?** 3:53 [3M24R, 3M26R] The Rathtars! (Extended Version)** 8:03 [3M27, 3M28, 3M28AR] Leia, C3PO and R2 1:02 [3M29R] Snoke** 2:08 [4M30A, 8M78] The Map Scene* 1:26 [4M31RR] Arrival at Takodana / You Got A Name 2:01 [4M32R, 4M33R, 4M33R Insert] I’ve Found the Droid / Talking With Grandfather* 1:36 [4M37, 4M31A] Maz’s Counsel 1:22 [4M35R] Finn’s Confession 1:06 [4M36R] Rey’s Vision* 2:58 [4M38R, 4M38AR] I Have To Get Back / The Beam Is Released* 2:54 [4M39R, 5M40] The Starkiller 1:50 [8M81] Disc 1 Total: 72:59 Disc 2 Film Score Presentation (Continued) Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle** / Finn Fights The Trooper* 3:18 [5M43R Fix, 5M43A, 5M44, 5M45R] The Resistance Arrives* 1:35 [5M47 v2] The Abduction 2:24 [5M46R, 5M48, 5M49R] Han and Leia / Finn and Poe** 5:35 [6M50R, 6M51R] Parental Discussion [6M52, 6M53] 2:10 Don’t Be Afraid* 3:13 [6M53A, 6M54R] Bring Her To Me / You Will Remove These Restraints* 2:26 [6M54A New, 6M54B] Council Meeting* / Preparing for the Mission* 2:59 [6M55R, 6M56R Ext] Kylo’s Rage* 1:02 [6M56B R v1] To Lightspeed* / Ice Landing* 2:11 [6M56C, 6M56D] Kylo in the Falcon* / Rey on the Wall* 2:34 [6M56E, 6M56F, 6M57R, 6M57R Alt Ending] The Bombing Run* / Hug Later* 2:38 [6M58, 7M60] I Can Get Us In* 2:17 [7M61, 7M62] On the Inside 2:20 [7M62A w/ insert] Torn Apart (Extended Version)** 5:19 [7M65B, 7M65C, 7M65, 7M66] The Ways of the Force (Extended Version)** 6:49 [7M67R, 7M67B F, 8M80, 7M67C, 7M67A] Farewell and the Trip (Extended Version)** 5:58 [7M68A, 7M68, 8M72, 8M73] The Jedi Steps and Finale (Film Version) 9:58 [8M74, Finale (11/11/15)] Disc 2 Score: 65:41 Total Score Time: 2:18:40 Additional Music Scherzo for X-Wings 2:35 Rey’s Theme 3:11 March of the Resistance 2:34 Disc 2 Total: 74:01 Disc 3 Additional Music (Continued) Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village (Alternate) 12:22 [1M1, 1M2R New Ending, 1M3AR, 1M3BR, 1M4R, 1M4A, 1M4B] Starry Night 3:32 [1M1A Free Version, 1M1A v2, 1M1A] The Scavenger (Alternate) 3:46 [1M5 Alt 2, 1M6R Alt, 1M7] Rey Meets BB-8 (Alternate) 0:58 [2M11R Alt] I Can Fly Anything 4:16 [2M14R, 2M15R] BB-8 and Rey Continued 0:37 [2M12A] Follow Me (Alternate) 1:48 [3M20R] Snoke (Alternate) 2:32 [4M30] You Got A Name? 1:16 (Alternate) [4M33R] Talking With Grandfather (Alternate) 1:34 [2M17R] Leia's Condolence Speech 0:55 [5M41] Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (Alternate) 4:12 [5M34R, 5M44 Alt Intro v1, 5M44, 5M45R, 5M45R Alt Ending] The Abduction (Alternate) 2:23 [5M46R, 5M48, 5M49A] Han and Leia (Alternate) [6M50R v2] 1:12 The Bombing Run (Film Version) 2:08 [6M56C, 6M58] On the Inside (Alternate) [7M62A, no insert] 2:20 Torn Apart (Alternate) 4:02 [7M65, 7M65 Insert, 7M65A] It Is You 2:23 [7M67B, 7M67R, 8M80, 8M80A] The Ways of the Force (Alternate) 4:58 [7M67] The Journey Home 2:05 [7M68] The Jedi Steps And Finale (Alternate) 8:52 [8M74 Alt, 8M74A, End Credits (9/23/15), Finale Tag] Teaser 1:30 Trailer #1 2:00 Trailer #2 2:00 PLEASE share The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker as well. This is awesome! Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 He did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Isn't there a concert version of The Jedi Steps or is my memory tricking me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Yeah Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Brónach said: Isn't there a concert version of The Jedi Steps or is my memory tricking me? Yes, but it doesn’t appear to have been written or recorded as part of the film sessions, however, similar to the Han Solo and the Princess arrangement that appeared as part of the concert suite around the time of the release of ESB. enderdrag64 and Brónach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 The Last Jedi. Luke's Noble End. In total, JW wrote 6 versions of this scene, although only the third version shows significant changes. I made a separate video for each version. 1. 9m85 Finale Part I (original fragment) (~November-early December 2016) The early version, although it contains two renditions of the Force theme (the standard 'TLJish' first, and pretty unusual second), is based on the original lyrical/melancholic material. This version is shorter than the later ones, and since the timings are also unknown, I improvised with which shots to cut and which tempos to choose. I also slowed down the shot with Rey, since it was clearly shortened afterwards. Probably, the microbit of this version (in particular, the last note of the horns) can be heard in the film mix during the crossfade right before the march (but not in the OST). 2. 9m85 Alt Insert (same time) Along with the original version, JW wrote a little "alternate" insert with Luke's theme. 3. 9m85A Luke Looks (~March 2017) The scene was expanded: Leia's reaction was added, as well as a few more shots of Luke. It's now another version of Binary Sunset, along with an accentuated moment of Luke's "disappearance". This insert can be heard in one of the official videos, and I tried to adjust the timings to match JW's conducting. 4. 9m85B Between Luke and the March (~May 2017) Two months later, JW rewrites the end of the scene, where he uses the end of the theme from Holdo's Resolve instead of the brass chorale. It seems the composer wanted a smoother transition to the march. 5. 9m85C Island to March (~June 2017) Another month later, JW rewrites this part again, as the "disappearance" moment has been extended. This version is already close to the final one. 6. 9m85AN Rey Looks (~June 2017) A few days later, JW rewrites the entire insert again, as another shot with Rey has been added. The composer also made other corrections: the transition to the Force theme is smoother, and the "disappearance" is now accompanied only by a quiet harp (without the cymbal and tam-tam). Jay, Holko, Falstaft and 8 others 1 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Great job again, dude! I love the version with Luke's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, ragoz350 said: The Last Jedi. Luke's Noble End. In total, JW wrote 6 versions of this scene, although only the third version shows significant changes. I made a separate video for each version. Whoa, fantastic work on this, @ragoz350! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 04/04/2023 at 8:56 PM, Falstaft said: Magnificent work, @ragoz350. Some things work quite well here, musically, perhaps even better than the ultimate version of TFA -- the big First Order theme and more aggressive martial quality in general for the troopers' arrival. But man do I miss that stunning reveal of Kylo's theme from the final score. Gotta say I prefer the final and album versions in every regard. This definitely feels like a case of JW finding the "right approach" later in the scoring process (like with the Rey's Theme draft) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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