Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I predict TGP will quit the forum for good this time in disgust based on the countless posts that will be variations on "How can they give Zimmer the Oscar, that wasn't even music" Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,644 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I vote for the guy with the exotic name! Jan Zimmiams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 That will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, KK said: I'm sure The Post will rack up the most nominations this year, but go home with very little. It's too early to tell, but I might bet on Lady Bird as the real front-runner. Three Billboards still has a strong chance too. I think Ladybird will win best supporting actress too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 29.11.2017 at 10:49 AM, Disco Stu said: I predict TGP will quit the forum for good this time in disgust based on the countless posts that will be variations on "How can they give Zimmer the Oscar, that wasn't even music" The day Zimmer will have won more Oscars than Goldsmith is the day Trump will be degraded to the Academy's Enemy No 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So the prestigious NY critics handed out their awards today but Spielberg's Oscar bait went home empty-handed. Even though this is a group of trump hating liberal film journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Was it nominated? Who won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I think they just award the winners, they don't do nominations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 But the possible reason why it didn't win is because the movie hasn't been released yet, right? Jurassic Shark and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 4:16 AM, Alexcremers said: Was it nominated? Who won? NY critics awards do not have nominations. Lady Bird won Best Picture. On 12/1/2017 at 4:34 AM, Alexcremers said: But the possible reason why it didn't win is because the movie hasn't been released yet, right? No. They have seen it and it was eligible and they could vote for it. LA film critics voted today - another super prestigious critics award and zilch for The Post again. Did not even place in the Top 5 of any category including Meryl Streep for Best Actress. And these are even more liberal critics than NY critics. I still feel the trump hate is going to power Post and Streep to Oscar wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Official reviews are up! http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-post Mostly positive but the mixed ones are coming for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,679 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 From the USA Today review: " The combination of the adventurous Spielbergian lens and a dynamite John Williams score jazzes up the most mundane newspaper conventions, from a copy editor striking words with a red pen to trucks rolling out with first editions. If only the same heroic anthems accompanied the writing of a movie review." Will and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Of course the writer doesn't use the verb "jazz" in the sense of the music being that genre. I liked the writer who called Lincoln, Bridge of Spies, and The Post Spielberg's "Civics Trilogy." It's my Star Wars trilogy in terms of excitement as a lame dad who loves history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,730 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 LOL. Is that what they're calling it? Spielberg's "Civics Trilogy"? What's next in the Spielberg Civics Expanded Universe? A mocap production of Schoolhouse Rock? Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I'll be first in line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,679 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I read through the other reviews, only looking at score remarks. A couple were negative, but I sense it is the kind of negative that fans of JW will enjoy. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Quote the John Williams score isn’t as powerful as his other legendary pieces for the director http://www.businessinsider.com/the-post-steven-spielberg-tom-hanks-meryl-streep-review-2017-12 (a negative review generally, not just of the score) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,730 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I'd rather see Michael Bay do a civics movie. MLK: THE RETURN. And this time, he's not turning the other cheek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bor Gullet 7 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 There seems to be a huge disconnect between the positive and negative reviews on RT. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bor Gullet said: There seems to be a huge disconnect between the positive and negative reviews on RT. Weird. It's why Rotten Tomatoes sucks. Metacritic takes into account the degree to which critics liked or disliked a movie and is superior. Making no distinction between "I kinda liked this" and "Best movie ever made!" is beyond stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Tom said: From the USA Today review: " The combination of the adventurous Spielbergian lens and a dynamite John Williams score jazzes up the most mundane newspaper conventions, from a copy editor striking words with a red pen to trucks rolling out with first editions. If only the same heroic anthems accompanied the writing of a movie review." Yes! It sounds like my Asteroid Field style set piece will happen after all. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 And now it's up to 77% on RT's, and a top critics ratings at 100% after seven reviews. I'm guessing the first batch of negative reviews were from a bunch of nobodies. It's why RT's kinda sucks honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sometimes the nobodies are the one's who got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,730 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Especially if those "nobodies" aren't professional journalists, who might enjoy seeing their profession lionised by the world's most famous director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Well if they really are "nobodies", then how could we tell? The plot thickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just don't look at scores on sites like these and just watch the film to make your own opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That's certainly what I plan on doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,644 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 5 hours ago, Tom said: From the USA Today review: " The combination of the adventurous Spielbergian lens and a dynamite John Williams score jazzes up the most mundane newspaper conventions, from a copy editor striking words with a red pen to trucks rolling out with first editions. If only the same heroic anthems accompanied the writing of a movie review." I'm guessing that's the Spoiler fugual preparation music Jim Ware spoke of? Either way, sounds very exciting Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Just don't look at scores on sites like these and just watch the film to make your own opinion? I can read reviews and see the film to form my own opinion. I feel like what you imagine people read reviews for isn't what I read reviews for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I'm not talking about simply reading reviews. I'm talking about checking scores on sites, comparing them, trying to figure out which one is the most accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Oh yeah that's silly, the idea that any one review is "right" about a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 'Racing Times' for film fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Reviews a few overly sentimental third-act scenes ... make extra use of John Williams’ immediate score Another excellent score comes to us from John Williams The story is adequately dramatic without ... John Williams's overpowering score, thank you very much. Most of Spielberg’s crew have worked with him for a number of years, including the legendary John Williams. The composer, working under a time crunch, comes through with another top-notch score–this one feels restrained but comes through in a strong way when needed. John Williams' score is quite good. The combination of the adventurous Spielbergian lens and a dynamite John Williams score jazzes up the most mundane newspaper conventions, from a copy editor striking words with a red pen to trucks rolling out with first editions. If only the same heroic anthems accompanied the writing of a movie review. John Williams’ horn-heavy score (creating either tension or heroic awe, as needed) Spielberg can’t help but turn The Post into a “message movie.” He rises to our current moment on stilts, with a megaphone and a swelling John Williams score. the notable score was provided by the legendary John Williams Will and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Horns? Noble horns?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,679 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Here is the one from the Wash Post: "And, as he so often does, the director tacks on an extra ending for the benefit of the cheap seats that always come first in his calculations, subtlety be damned. And subtlety is damned, for eternity, in John Williams’s shamelessly manipulative score." Okay, here is a thought: movie making, and probably all story telling, is essentially manipulative. It is designed to get us to feel certain things and think certain things, or at least think about certain things. Why get upset when the score "says" the same damn thing as the movie itself? I mean, her review itself is manipulative in telling us what to think about the movie and score. Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Williams can be manipulative but never in an oppressive heavy-handed way. His music is still extraordinarily sophisticated and nuanced to be considered hammering the audience over the head. Some people think Schindler's List is calculated for maximum waterworks by audiences but it is much to elegant too be considered that. I personally think Gia tries too hard a lot of the times. Williams has a much lighter tough. crumbs and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,679 Posted December 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2017 Maybe that is the answer. The reviewers think their standards of critical taste precludes them from being moved by film music. So when Williams does it to them, they feel violated and act out. crumbs, Cerebral Cortex and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 "I'm not crying, you're crying!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 A nice clip ... but no music: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 7.12.2017 at 8:56 PM, Tom said: Okay, here is a thought: movie making, and probably all story telling, is essentially manipulative. It is designed to get us to feel certain things and think certain things, or at least think about certain things. Sweeping generalizations are bullshit regardless of which side utters them. Hollywood movies have been targeted since the old MGM days for often using cheap tactics to push certain buttons. Mind you, there are good button-pushers that often are result of good artistry on all sides involved, there are medium-successful ones, i. e. when the score has to work overtime to make lacking scenes work and there are the bad and ugly ones, where no one involved made an effort to even hide it. I haven't seen 'The Post', obviously, but i guess it will follow established Spielberg/Williams patterns and will not seem overly offensive in that context, but given that 'Lincoln' drew not nearly as much vitriol it is very likely that the movie itself is not successful and the music stands out for exactly that reason. Ill-deserved 'rousing' finishes have been quite a frequent Spielberg problem since the late 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,345 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 So this opens in Australia on January 11, even earlier than America's wide release. Wonder if it's worth holding out from listening to the soundtrack until then? It could be the last new John Williams score until Episode IX! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just saw that the film opens in France February 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 In most european countries, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 That's because they know Europeans don't care about the freedom of the press. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,112 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: That's because they know Europeans don't care about the freedom of the press. Or maybe because our freedom of press is not as threatened as in Trumpland... toothless and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Let me guess: you read that in the press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,112 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Let me guess: you read that in the press? I have it from Trump's tweets toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,679 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 5 hours ago, publicist said: Sweeping generalizations are bullshit regardless of which side utters them. Hollywood movies have been targeted since the old MGM days for often using cheap tactics to push certain buttons. Mind you, there are good button-pushers that often are result of good artistry on all sides involved, there are medium-successful ones, i. e. when the score has to work overtime to make lacking scenes work and there are the bad and ugly ones, where no one involved made an effort to even hide it. I haven't seen 'The Post', obviously, but i guess it will follow established Spielberg/Williams patterns and will not seem overly offensive in that context, but given that 'Lincoln' drew not nearly as much vitriol it is very likely that the movie itself is not successful and the music stands out for exactly that reason. Ill-deserved 'rousing' finishes have been quite a frequent Spielberg problem since the late 90's. Interesting. Could it be that many so-called "over-scored" movies are due to the score being better than the film itself? that would explain many Williams's and Goldsmith scores that seem out of place, though they would have not been had the film been better. (prequels come to mind). That really handicaps a composer: write down to the level of the film. If an actor did that, he would be criticized by the critics as phoning it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 That is certainly not a pre-requisite. In 'The Post's case probably because Spielberg uses Williams as he often does as a crutch for his 'messages' - creating scenes that could play either way but asking the composer (Tommy Newman in case of 'Bridge of Spies') to pour on the 'inspirational' strings and horns to give it the necessary spin. That's a different story than, say, Goldsmith beefing up 'Hollow Man', which will not leap at you in the same way. One problem is that every second Edward Zwick, Ron Howard et al. movie essentially works the same way and it often feels clichéd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Here are two clips from the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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