Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Chen prefers his superhero movies to be haunting and disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 i wonder if he's a fan of Watchmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Not necessarily: I mean, I enjoy most of Marvel's output, for instance. But even if you're going down the lighthearted route, you still need to find a way to make your film register with the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But even if you're going down the lighthearted route, you still need to find a way to make your film register with the audience. The film was a massive hit with the audience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Watchmen is an anomaly movie which I don't think of in "superhero movie" terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Is it a disturbing film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: i wonder if he's a fan of Watchmen? Watchmen is the 2001: ASO of comic book films, so probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Maybe once Nolan brings out a (non) restored version of Watchmen will they be interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I admire Elfman's score a great deal. But it's no match for Williams. Donner's film is one of the most charming blockbusters ever. Whimsical and magical. Beautifully made too. Burton's film has personality and a lot of style. But no substance to speak of. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Is it a disturbing film? In far more ways, than one 38 minutes ago, crocodile said: Burton's film has personality and a lot of style. But no substance to speak of. That's because there's no substance in psychopathy. It's all artifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 You don't believe in psychiatry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If psychiatry does not appear on our records... it does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 This is outrageous. It's unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: You don't believe in psychiatry? Good question, Steef. I have worked with many people with SEMIs (including psychopaths) and, unfortunately and sadly, most of them cannot be "cured" - at least not in the way that modern psychiatry tries to "cure". The best that can be offered is monitoring, and treatment (in whatever form it comes in) to make sure that they are not a danger to either themselves, or others. It's a sad affair, to be sure, but it appears to be the most stable, and least restrictive route, at this time. Of course, there are those who simply cannot be allowed to live outside of secure environments, and, rest assured, if they were on the "outside", they would be very, very dangerous. In answer to your question: psychiatry can help, but it can only go so far. Some people, are, I'm sorry to say, beyond medical help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: there are moments of darkness in the original Star Wars, in Indiana Jones films, etc - not so much, however, in Superman. The destruction of Krypton, Pa Kent's fatal heart attack, Luthor killing Detective Harry with a commuter train? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 A trans-orbital lobotomy should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: A trans-orbital lobotomy should do it. You've got to cut this hideous story out of her brain. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Sharky said: The destruction of Krypton, Pa Kent's fatal heart attack, Luthor killing Detective Harry with a commuter train? The whole movie is so lighthearted and tongue-in-cheek, I can't consider these moments "dark". His father and adoptive father die like a few minutes after their introductions, for instance. The music gives the impression that it's supposed to be dramatic, I guess. Or a Cheerios commercial. Is it also "dark" because there's a pimp with some prostitutes when Superman makes his first appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: The whole movie is so lighthearted and tongue-in-cheek, I can't consider these moments "dark". His father and adoptive father die like a few minutes after their introductions, for instance. The music gives the impression that it's supposed to be dramatic, I guess. The earthquake that tears apart Krypton is dated and somewhat cheesy, but Jonathan Kent's death is beautifully handled by Donner, Unsworth, Williams and the cast. I don't know about "dark" (whatever that means), but it's certainly sombre and poignant. which is more than I can say for anything anything in Burton's Batman. Not Mr. Big, SteveMc and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Haven't you ever heard of the healing power of laughter? Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, Sharky said: Jonathan Kent's death is beautifully handled by Donner, Unsworth, Williams and the cast. Probably the best heart attack scene in a movie ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Oh no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Probably the best heart attack scene in a movie ever. Very emotional, despite Ford being in the film so briefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Glenn Ford played it subtle but it could have easily been something like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 He had better company in A Stolen Life and Pocketful of Miracles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,720 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 On 5/16/2018 at 5:17 PM, Stefancos said: Superman: The Movie for both, without question or hesitation! Indeed. 11 hours ago, Chen G. said: I said nothing about gritty, but villains should be at least somewhat threatening. Meh. How "threatening" can a comic book villain really be? What, he'd be more threatening if he could shoot lasers from his eyes, or demolish a building with his fists, or bring lightning down, or any of the other things superhero movie villains can do? None of that makes the villain "threatening". It's hard to make an impression as a villain and what matter is how memorable they are. I've seen every MCU movie and off the top of my head the only villains who stand out are Loki and Thanos...and mostly Loki, and not because of how "threatening" he is, but because of how well Hiddlebum nails the character. Much like Hackman. Hackman as Luthor is one of the greatest movie villains of all time...and the Superman movie is a classic in the genre, if not definitive (though admittedly, dated as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Chen G. said: First lesson to be learned: never ever make your villain the comic relief! 1 This. I enjoy some sections of Donner's Superman film but prefer his cut for Superman 2 better. Reeve, Kidder, and Williams' score help make it fun -- but the first film's villains grind the proceedings to a halt. Hell, Kevin Spacey and Jesse Eisenberg were better versions of Lex than Hackman... it helped that they were actually threatening. In terms of film preference, Batman goes down smoothly. I have problems with it, but at least the villain was somewhat threatening. And Elfman's score just really made it more grand and operatic. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,720 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Matt C said: Hell, Kevin Spacey and Jesse Eisenberg were better versions of Lex than Hackman... it helped that they were actually threatening. LOL. I'd argue this point, but I can't remember a thing about either of their performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I've never thought Eisenberg was particularly impressive honestly, even in the facebook movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 A wet paper bag makes a more intimidating villain than Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor in BvS. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Until the actual threat of the movie kicks in (I turn off when Superman gets the high frequency message), Superman is a beautiful movie. Light-hearted, good-natured, and purely exhilarating in large part due to John Williams' profoundly and genuinely heroic score, it made me finally proud to share a name with the Man of Steel. Batman was the first date, and then Burton stole home base with Batman Returns. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Miss Teschmacher!!! Bob! Alicia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Anyone else remember a decade ago it was considered "cool" to bag shit on the Burton Batman movies? Now that the nostalgia revolution of the 2010s has kicked in, suddenly everyone has changed their tune and now they love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I never stopped loving it. I took the VHS with me to college, along with Jurassic Park, Tomorrow Never Dies and both Mortal Kombat movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 ARRGHHHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Anyone else remember a decade ago it was considered "cool" to bag shit on the Burton Batman movies? Now that the nostalgia revolution of the 2010s has kicked in, suddenly everyone has changed their tune and now they love it. The height of the Nolan wave. Especially after The Dark Knight, almost everyone I knew into movies said I was "easy to please" for loving Batman Returns. They said the Burton films were dated, overly cartoony, and completely emtpy. My response? "You flush it, I flaunt it." 40 minutes ago, Bespin said: ARRGHHHHH Unlucky Bastard and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Margo Channing said: Anyone else remember a decade ago it was considered "cool" to bag shit on the Burton Batman movies? Now that the nostalgia revolution of the 2010s has kicked in, suddenly everyone has changed their tune and now they love it. My allegiance is to Tim Burton, to Michael Keaton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: My allegiance is to Tim Burton, to Michael Keaton! Emperor Palpatine: You gotta admit, I played this stinkin' galaxy like a harp from hell! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: The height of the Nolan wave. Especially after The Dark Knight, almost everyone I knew into movies said I was "easy to please" for loving Batman Returns. They said the Burton films were dated, overly cartoony, and completely emtpy. My response? "You flush it, I flaunt it." It was round about that time, probably just after Batman Begins or even Casino Royale came out where I first read the "more realistic and relatable" line being bandied about on IMDb forums and other online discussion places. I didn't invent it, I've seen it said in earnest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 If you're not with me...you're rubbing my rhubarb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Jack, my allegiance is to the City of Gotham, to local government! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Saved by kitty litter Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Kinda looks like 'Titanic' is written in the sand. A surprise, to be sure, but, a welcome one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Another happy landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 493 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: My allegiance is to Tim Burton, to Michael Keaton! https://mobile.twitter.com/Todd_Spence/status/996882346719637505?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Not to worry. We are still flying half a Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Nick1066 said: LOL. I'd argue this point, but I can't remember a thing about either of their performances. Clancy Brown is the perfect Lex Luthor --suave, menacing, greasy, and yet completely entertaining. Spacey's Lex was a more ruthless take on Hackman, but it wasn't quite right. I wasn't sold on Eisenberg for most of Batman v. Superman until that rooftop scene... very menacing but eccentric. But Brown is perfect as Lex IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Very, very tricky. I love both films and scores dearly. But if someone put a gun to my head -- BATMAN for film, and SUPERMAN for score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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