Jay 37,479 Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Recording is recording is recording.... That is so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, not true Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I love how you presume to know more than me. It's so ' cute'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,479 Posted March 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 crumbs, Chewy and Holko 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arpy 4,145 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Bummed I missed out on this, is it available anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I'm still not a fan of the Expanded program. I listen to the VR program, but using the new remastering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,087 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today. The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation. Recording is recording is recording.... For sure - as I understand it, there are mics older than that still in use at a lot of scoring stages! But the recording medium does make a difference, as does the quality of however many transfers occur between recording and the final mix. Factor in the different studios' archival prowess - or lack thereof - in different time periods, and you can end up with some albums that sound pretty gnarly, despite being recorded with top-notch players in world-class scoring stages by incredible engineers on premium equipment. I mean, as hard as MM worked on the sound of Jaws, for instance, it's still less than ideal. Superman still sounded pretty bad till they finally found the first-generation elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 One big factor is recording speed. If you use a fast ips the recording will have reduced hiss. But, it costs more so some studios used slower ips. Listen to John Barry recordings from the Sixties like YOLT and OHMSS Recorded on four track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today. The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation. This doesn't make sense at all. There are plenty of analog recordings (from analog masters) that sound better than digital. And sometimes analog masters are still being used today. The biggest difference in SQ is the recording process itself and the available recording facilities. From the '80s onward, 'sound' became more and more important as being part of the theatrical experience (as opposed to the '70s) and so much more attention and money went to sound recording and reproduction (playback) in general. This is evident through the recordings of the '80s and yet most recordings of that decade were still entirely analog. However, it is true that sometimes inferior master tapes (copies of copies of copies) were distributed for duplication but I doubt that anyone can hear the degradation between the original and a first class analog copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Try reading what I wrote next time😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I replied to this claim (which I quoted): "The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation." Is this not what you wrote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Read the rest. It says nothing about analog masters being inferior or older recordings being inferior. The current tech allows almost perfect REPLICATION of studio master tapes. Analog to LP is far from perfect. That's why jazz musicians recorded direct to the master. That's why Horner recorded and mixed direct to the master. Got it?😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Read the rest? I responded to this post. There is nothing else. 8 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today. The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation. Recording is recording is recording.... 17 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Read the rest. It says nothing about analog masters being inferior or older recordings being inferior. The current tech allows almost perfect REPLICATION of studio master tapes. Analog to LP is far from perfect. That's why jazz musicians recorded direct to the master. That's why Horner recorded and mixed direct to the master. Got it?😁 That's not what you said. You are now talking about the difference between vinyl and CDs. And no, they record to a stereo tape, then they makes copies (which are called master tapes) for duplication (LPs, CDs). Analog or digital, when you have a first generation master tape, everything should be fine (if the recording is good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 How dare they! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: How dare they! You talk to him , Shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Arpy said: is it available anywhere else? Ahem, can anyone help out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 If I came across the ost would ANYONE want it? For trade or sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arpy said: Ahem, can anyone help out? Did a quick check with the usual suspects - SAE, Music Box, Soundtrack Corner, and the Intrada store, and it's sold out everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I was about to checkout with the CD at musicbox the other day, but had an error with their website. I left it for a day and when I returned to complete the checkout, it had removed Cowboys from the cart, and sold out. This was one of those scores I left on the backburner to buy with other titles to justify the shipping, I just didn't realize it sold out without much warning from Varese... crumbs and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,414 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Arpy said: Ahem, can anyone help out? It is still available from the french seller VascoCine: https://www.vascocine.fr/musique-de-film/v-w-x-y-z/williams-john/ Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Chewy said: It is still available from the french seller VascoCine: https://www.vascocine.fr/musique-de-film/v-w-x-y-z/williams-john/ Interesting, I didn't know about that site. But... shipping of two items to France: €6. Shipping of the same items to Norway: €40... 1 hour ago, Arpy said: I was about to checkout with the CD at musicbox the other day, but had an error with their website. I left it for a day and when I returned to complete the checkout, it had removed Cowboys from the cart, and sold out. This was one of those scores I left on the backburner to buy with other titles to justify the shipping, I just didn't realize it sold out without much warning from Varese... If it's any comfort, they've still got Stanley & Iris... but act fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,414 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Interesting, I didn't know about that site. But... shipping of two items to France: €6. Shipping of the same items to Norway: €40... Too bad Norway isn't part of the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chewy said: Too bad Norway isn't part of the EU Actually, it's a small price to pay for not being a part of the EU. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,479 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 Now available digitally on the streaming/download store of your choice IE https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-cowboys-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe/1583870947 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FX3YSG4/ https://tidal.com/browse/album/197212854 https://open.spotify.com/album/5zQ2JU2HeqZdfIlr0BylrH?si=NdMHru6xT_umtOiVxs3naw&dl_branch=1 https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/the-cowboys-john-williams/vgy2kkyp11aka https://us.7digital.com/artist/john-williams/release/the-cowboys-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe-edition-17785553 etc Cerebral Cortex, Disco Stu, crumbs and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,087 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Ooh nice. I really love this score, and the release was very nicely handled. Great opportunity for anyone who missed out on the physical release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It's a poor substitute. Luckily, I didn't miss out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,087 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I mean, I nearly always prefer to buy a physical album. But better to have it available digitally than not at all! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 More importantly it means that this great score isn't limited anymore to a small population of existing super fans, but open to budding and casual John Williams fans to discover in Spotify or wherever. Cerebral Cortex, Chewy, Datameister and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 From Varese Sarabande : via Facebook page. We're thrilled to announce that we will be releasing five amazing soundtrack LPs on Record Store Day 2022: BLUE VELVET will be released as a 2-LP Deluxe Edition, THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT as a double LP with collector’s edition etching, John Williams’ THE COWBOYS Deluxe Edition on 2-disc gold vinyl, MIMIC on green vinyl in an original triptych jacket and BIG NIGHT on crystal clear vinyl. These titles will be available on April 23, 2022, at thousands of independent record stores. For a list of participating stores and more information about these special LPs, visit RecordStoreDay.com. THE COWBOYS – Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Deluxe Edition) by John Williams This 50th anniversary release celebrates John Wayne and one of his finest twilight westerns with a score composed by the living legend, John Williams. The Cowboys was the maestro’s biggest pre-Star Wars score, and a much-needed restoration job—featuring a complete rebuild, remix, remastering and expansion to 36 tracks (including unearthed alternate takes)—was done for a 3,000-unit, limited-edition CD re-issue that came out in 2018 and has since sold out. The first-ever official LP release, this double-record gatefold includes extensive notes and original photos and is pressed on gold vinyl exclusively for RSD 2022. rough cut and Toillion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 148 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Been digging back into The Cowboys recently on Spotify since seeing a performance of the Overture a few weeks back in Dublin. I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to share a copy of the liner notes with me? Would love to see if there's any little details I'm missing out on! Also, rewatched the film recently with Rydell's commentary to see if there were any JW tidbits. Nothing of note sadly, but Rydell claimed (twice!) to have "discovered" Williams for The Reivers, and that he gave him his first job. He didn't mention how they came into contact or got to know one another - but clearly it wasn't due to an appreciation of the number of scores Williams's had already written (including a western ). Maybe he considered it his first "big" score? I don't really know much about how well Williams's early films were received, as I've only gotten to know them through the music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 283 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Hey @ConorPower You can see the liner notes here https://musicbrainz.org/release/769232c1-d416-4ff8-8a95-d4e66c249921/cover-art ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 148 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Hi @KittBash This is excellent - thank you so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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