Popular Post Jay 37,479 Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 Redone from the ground up by Neil! Quote The Great Train Robbery (2-CD) Jerry Goldsmith 20,95€ Ref: QR401 Limited edition: 1000 units. Quartet Records and MGM proudly present a new re-mastered edition of Jerry Goldsmith’s beloved score for the 1978 Victorian adventure-comedy caper, THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY. Based on director Michael Crichton’s own novel, the film stars Sean Connery, Donald Sutherland and Lesley-Anne Down as charming and distinguished thieves who make elaborate plans to steal a shipment of gold from a moving train. Goldsmith’s score, the composer’s third collaboration with Crichton (following PURSUIT and COMA) is one of the best of its period. It features a catchy, vibrant main theme, the locomotive for an exciting, elegant score, powerfully performed by the National Philharmonic Orchestra and recorded with great precision and detail by Eric Tomlinson at Anvil Studios in London. The music for THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY was originally issued on LP in 1979 by United Artist Records in a short (29 minutes) but delightful album conceived by Goldsmith, masterfully edited but decidedly not in film order, that was nevertheless a very pleasant listening experience. In 2004, Varèse Sarabande released the first expanded edition, which added seven minutes and was re-mixed for SA-CD. Intrada reissued the score in 2011 as a double-CD set debuting the complete film score using Eric Tomlinson’s original mixes on CD 1 and the album program on CD 2. That edition sold out many years ago and commands high prices on the second-hand market. Now, to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the international release of the film (it premiered at the end of 1978 only in the UK) and the release of the original LP, Quartet Records presents an all-new edition with CD 1 showcasing for the first time the score as intended for the film, with all performance edits and combinations recreated from new, high-resolution (192 kHz/24-bit) transfers of surviving 1/4″ tapes featuring Eric Tomlinson’s original stereo mix. CD 2 contains the original 1/4″ stereo album master newly transferred (at 192 kHz/24-bit) and remastered from the first-generation master tapes. This collection has been meticulously produced by Neil S. Bulk and mastered by Doug Schwartz. The package includes a 20-page booklet with detailed liner notes and track-by-track analysis by John Takis. All aboard! Disc OneThe Film Score 1. Gold (0:11) 2. Main Title (Film Version) (2:36) 3. Breakfast In Bed (1:47) 4. No Respectable Gentleman (Film Version) (2:26) 5. Rotten Row (Film Version) (3:54) 6. The First Key (0:06) 7. Bordello Raid (0:46) 8. Kiddie Caper (Film Version) (2:03) 9. Casing The Station (Film Version) (1:34) 10. Street Attack (1:41) 11. Over The Wall (1:59) 12. Night Entry (2:29) 13. Close The Door (1:00) 14. Double Wax Job (Film Version) (2:57) 15. The Tombstone (1:12) 16. What Could Go Wrong? (1:12) 17. Dead Willy (2:00) 18. All Changed (0:24) 19. Get A Cat (0:25) 20. The Lock (0:35) 21. The Gold Departs (0:41) 22. The Gold Arrives… (Film Version) (2:44) 23. Torn Coat (Film Version) (1:52) 24. End Title (2:56) Additional Music 25. Main Title (Original Version) (2:43) 26. Main Title (Film Version End, Discrete) (0:52) 27. Breakfast In Bed (Orchestral Version) (1:49) 28. Breakfast In Bed (Flute And Lute Version) (1:45) 29. Rotten Row (Discrete Opening) (1:16) 30. Clues (3:55) 31. Street Attack (Alternate) (1:41) 32. Get A Cat (Alternate) (0:23) 33. The Gold Arrives… (Alternate Performance) (2:44) 34. Sonata In D For Two Pianofortes, K. 448 (Excerpt) (6:02) 35. Champagne Charlie Is My Name (1:41) 36. Pretty Polly Perkins Of Paddington Green (1:56) 37. I Dreamt I Dwelt In Marble Halls (2:33) 38. Music For The Royal Fireworks (Excerpt) (3:02) Disc TwoThe Original Soundtrack Album 1. Main Title (2:34) 2. No Respectable Gentleman (2:25) 3. Double Wax Job (2:47) 4. Casing The Station (3:09) 5. The Gold Arrives… (2:44) 6. Kiddie Caper (2:03) 7. Clues (3:54) 8. Rotten Row (2:41) 9. Torn Coat (2:24) 10. End Title (2:56) https://www.quartetrecords.com/product/the-great-train-robbery-2-cd/ Incanus, Yavar Moradi and crocodile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,744 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 So this is sourced from new transfers of stereo tapes, not remixed from multi-track tapes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Love this score! What a magnificent main theme - one of Jerry's very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 11:22 AM, thx99 said: So this is sourced from new transfers of stereo tapes, not remixed from multi-track tapes? On 12/9/2019 at 10:14 AM, Jay said: Quartet Records presents an all-new edition with CD 1 showcasing for the first time the score as intended for the film, with all performance edits and combinations recreated from new, high-resolution (192 kHz/24-bit) transfers of surviving 1/4″ tapes featuring Eric Tomlinson’s original stereo mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,744 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Yes, I read that @Jayand everything there says (to me, at least) that it was sourced from stereo tapes. So the biggest difference in this and the Intrada is that it includes the film edits for some of the cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,479 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 No, the biggest difference is that Neil rebuilt the entire score from scratch with film-accurate performance edits from a new 192/24 transfer of the original stereo tapes. thx99, Yavar Moradi and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Well this new release is also mastered by Doug Schwartz instead of Doug Fake. That's a plus in my book, but still probably not enough to get me to replace my copy from Intrada. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 You could probably sell the Intrada to fund most of purchasing this Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I'd still like to get the Memoir release of this (paired with Wild Rovers). I have the V/S SACD which reportedly has too much reverb - I should probably give it a listen sometime. 35 minutes ago, Jay said: You could probably sell the Intrada to fund most of purchasing this What!? And lose that cool flipper art? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, thx99 said: So the biggest difference in this and the Intrada is that it includes the film edits for some of the cues. Not film edits, but performance edits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 The Intrada guys have never been thorough about recreating film-accurate performance edits when they have to start from an archive of every take of every cue instead of already edited mixes. In fact other than Mike and Neil I don't know if anybody else does. I'm guessing they wouldn't have worded the press release that way if takes that weren't in the film hadn't wound their way onto the Intrada version. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,744 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Not film edits, but performance edits! Performance edits to match the versions heard in the film. Hence, film edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Good with the Intrada. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,640 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Neil S. Bulk about this release on the Jerry Goldsmith Online forum: Quote For the most part yes, the compositions are the same, but the performances have been re-edited to match the selected takes used in the film, which differ from previous releases. http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5129 Surprising to learn the wonderful Intrada was not the film takes! Yavar thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 hours ago, thx99 said: Performance edits to match the versions heard in the film. Hence, film edits. Sigh. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I'am pretty satisfied with the Intrada version because it retained the Eric Tomlinson mixes (after the disappointing SACD from Varese). I'am such a enormous fan of Tomlinson. He makes you feel the orchestra and the instruments. His panning of the stereo allocation is also very good.Since this is an upgrade using a high resolution transfer and I usually fork up for such reissues; but I'am not sure if need to do this again if the end result is a marginal improvement.While the Jerry Goldsmith completest demon inside me is raging a battle and asking are you crazy? LOL We will see who wins....(sigh) Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,640 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Amer said: I'am pretty satisfied with the Intrada version because it retained the Eric Tomlinson mixes (after the disappointing SACD from Varese). I'am such a enormous fan of Tomlinson. He makes you feel the orchestra and the instruments. His panning of the stereo allocation is also very good.Since this is an upgrade using a high resolution transfer and I usually fork up for such reissues; but I'am not sure if need to do this again if the end result is a marginal improvement.While the Jerry Goldsmith completest demon inside me is raging a battle and asking are you crazy? LOL We will see who wins....(sigh) The question for me is: will this be an improvement over the Intrada as much as LLL’s The Blue Max was? If so I think it’ll be worth the re-buy for me (and also for new John Takis notes!) Yavar Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,725 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 As much as I like this score and how great the previous Quartet's Goldsmith releases have been, I think I'll pass on this one since I own the Intrada version. I'll try to reserve my double and triple -dipping on Williams releases only (if possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I stopped at the (widely available) 2004 Varése. 35 minutes are enough of this, and the sound is not as bone-crunchingly dry as the original Tomlinson mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Jay said: No, the biggest difference is that Neil rebuilt the entire score from scratch from a new 192/24 transfer of the original stereo tapes. I emailed Neil and he added: I did re-edit the film score for disc 1, using the film as a guide. This results in some cues having slightly different performances than what's been previously available on the OST and other reissues. When you're releasing a score for the 3rd time in 15 years it make sense to do things a little differently than they've been done in the past to justify the new release. I hope people enjoy this new album. thx99 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I haven't got this so naturally placed an order. At 1000 copies, it's probably not a good idea to put it off for too long. I trust Neil's judgement. He's doing some of the best work in this field. Karol Amer and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The hardest-to-get OOP title I was after, now for a ridiculously low price and limited to 1000 copies - of course immediately ordered! I invite the owners of the Intrada CD to leave the 1000 Quartet CDs to the people who don't have this score at all. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 hours ago, thx99 said: Performance edits to match the versions heard in the film. Hence, film edits. No, that's not right. I mean, the words you are using are not technically wrong, but in this industry, "film edits" and "performance edits" do refer to two different things. "film edits" generally refer to when the music editor of the film does something to a cue that changes it from how the cue was spotted, ie, what the composer intended. For example in the final cut of Star Wars, the scene of R2 getting taken by the Jawas was decided it played better with less music, so they changed where the cue comes in and edited out a portion of it to make the rest of it fit after that new starting point. So the film edit is nothing more than the music editor taking his intentions and slicing out pieces to match the final cut. "performance edits" are what happens with the composer's approval after they have all the takes they need for a cue, and they go through each one and choose which portions of each take to cut together to make the approved edit of that cue. This will always be the entire cue from start to end, and is sent to the music editor working on putting the music into the film, where it could be further edited down to a "film edit" if need be. When the Intrada guys got every take of every cue and made their 2011 CD, they didn't meticulously compare each take to the film and make sure they grabbed all the same ones, essentially meaning they released takes of music the makers of the film, and more importantly, Jerry Goldsmith, never intended for anyone to hear. For this Quartet CD, Neil did that work to make sure he gave us all the same takes that had been chosen to be heard in 1978, and used them all for the new main program. I hope that helps. Yavar Moradi and thx99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,744 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Thanks for the detailed explanation, @Jay!! I can now appreciate the difference between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: The question for me is: will this be an improvement over the Intrada as much as LLL’s The Blue Max was? Hardly, because Great Train Robbery never sounded old on any release. 14 hours ago, Amer said: I'am pretty satisfied with the Intrada version because it retained the Eric Tomlinson mixes (after the disappointing SACD from Varese). I'am such a enormous fan of Tomlinson. He makes you feel the orchestra and the instruments. His panning of the stereo allocation is also very good.Since this is an upgrade using a high resolution transfer and I usually fork up for such reissues; but I'am not sure if need to do this again if the end result is a marginal improvement.While the Jerry Goldsmith completest demon inside me is raging a battle and asking are you crazy? LOL We will see who wins....(sigh) I feel the same way. I very probably don't need it. But it's the one score that turned me into a Goldsmith fan, so I'll probably not want to risk missing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Never seen the film, but I absolutely adore the score. One of my JG favs. I have the 2004 Varese release, which will be my only version of this untill the day I die. Spectacular sound quality too, for such a relatively old score (and the few added tracks on top of the OST programme don't harm the listening experience at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Thor said: Never seen the film, but I absolutely adore the score. One of my JG favs. I have the 2004 Varese release, which will be my only version of this untill the day I die. Spectacular sound quality too, for such a relatively old score (and the few added tracks on top of the OST programme don't harm the listening experience at all). But the Quartet release includes the OST album, and the Varese (which I never thought sounds bad) isn't faithful to the original mix either. The Thor thing to do would be to ditch the Varese and pick up the quartet. And the film is just as good as the score. Yavar Moradi and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Marian's right, it's not a beloved classic, but i always enjoyed it (it was often on german tv). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The pairing of Connery and Sutherland is classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 And the rest of the cast looks like an early Coen brothers warm-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 But that's on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 You don't say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Geez, this has been one hell of a year for Goldsmith fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 We had few releases, but exciting ones. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Haven't there been like 4 Goldsmith expansions this year? Plus The Swarm on the horizon, not shabby at all. I'm not familiar with his scores but I'll get there one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 15 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: And the film is just as good as the score. That's good to know. I'll keep an eye out for the film, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 154 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 So "Night Exit" has been renamed to "Close the Door". This cue is unused in the film if I'm not mistaken, and I always wondered if it was intended to follow "Night Entry" immediately or if it was written as a replacement for the ending of "Night Entry" (given the title on the Intrada release) - hope the liner notes clear this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Got it today. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I'm considering getting this, although the samples at Quartet's website makes me uncertain whether I'll like the score. How do you rate it among JG's output, @Yavar Moradi? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 This a great tongue n cheek type of score set in the classical mode. If you didn't have the Intrada version then this is highly recommended. One of the great from the 70s era. Yavar Moradi and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 It's the best Goldsmith score of its kind. And it has the best onomatopoeic train music ever written. The expanded releases at least, the original album dropped it - somewhat understandably, since that cue then goes into a big statement of the main theme and then simply fizzles out, but it's nonetheless one of the highlights from the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Yeah, who would want a grand statement of the main theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Lots of little nuggets, Goldsmith also omitted i. e. the bordello raid and other cues under 2 minutes, but they are much more memorable than the suspense stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 12/10/2019 at 8:46 PM, Thor said: I have the 2004 Varese release, which will be my only version of this untill the day I die. What would you do if you got the Quartet release as a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, who would want a grand statement of the main theme? Bottlecap collector's, that's who! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It's the best Goldsmith score of its kind. And it has the best onomatopoeic train music ever written. The expanded releases at least, the original album dropped it - somewhat understandably, since that cue then goes into a big statement of the main theme and then simply fizzles out, but it's nonetheless one of the highlights from the score. I'd love to read a full review! Listening to this fan created suite now. Is Soundtrack Fred by any chance on JWFan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I'm contemplating purchasing the soundtrack from Quartet Records, together with a copy to give Thor for Christmas. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 1:46 AM, Marian Schedenig said: It's the best Goldsmith score of its kind. And it has the best onomatopoeic train music ever written. Which track are you referring to? EDIT: Nevermind, it's obviously The Gold Departs - I clearly wasn't paying enough attention when listening through the whole score. Btw, what do you think of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 That's fun! The first time I've ever heard anything by Honegger, I must admit. If we're posting train music, I must add: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Interesting! I'll listen to that at work tomorrow. Too bad Bruckner didn't do any train music. It would have been monumental! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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