Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Who said: I’m in the camp that believes that he will finish ASOIAF so can’t agree about that, though I would love to read more dunk and egg. I’m currently re reading ASOIAF and will probably re read D&as after that. He recently stated that he was finishing up 1-2 POV character storylines for Winds so I think he might get close to finishing it within the next year or two. I also think that Winds will become 2 books or volumes (as he said that it’s already much longer than Storm) and the same will probably happen with Dream as well. I dunno, I just feel like we’ve been here before. I’ll believe it when we see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I found the article with the interview quote about the possibility of HOTD becoming an anthology: https://winteriscoming.net/2022/07/29/house-of-the-dragon-absolutely-become-anthology-series/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Bilbo said: HBO’s biggest ever premiere Apparently there were technical issues because too many people tuned in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, AC1 said: Apparently there were technical issues because too many people tuned in. I watched around 18 hours later (evening in Europe) and the app had some issues even then… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 23 hours ago, Bilbo said: I can’t get my head around how they could do the Blackdyre rebellions and Dunk and Egg. Would they be the same show? Different shows? Surely they’d have to wait for HotD to wrap up as two series about Targs fighting each other wouldn’t work on screen together. I was reading some GRRM blog posts and came across this: "The third of the live action shows is the Dunk & Egg series, helmed by Steve Conrad. My team and I have had some great sessions with Steve and his team, and we really hit it off. He’s determined to do a faithful adaptation of the stories, which is exactly what I want; these characters and stories are very precious to me. The first season will be an adaptation of the first novella, “The Hedge Knight.” This was before the news of HOTD possibly becoming an Anthology show was mentioned though but it certainly seems the case that Dunk will be done regardless of wether we will get to see the Blackfyre Rebellion in HOTD (or maybe in a separate show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: I was reading some GRRM blog posts and came across this: "The third of the live action shows is the Dunk & Egg series, helmed by Steve Conrad. My team and I have had some great sessions with Steve and his team, and we really hit it off. He’s determined to do a faithful adaptation of the stories, which is exactly what I want; these characters and stories are very precious to me. The first season will be an adaptation of the first novella, “The Hedge Knight.” This was before the news of HOTD possibly becoming an Anthology show was mentioned though but it certainly seems the case that Dunk will be done regardless of wether we will get to see the Blackfyre Rebellion in HOTD (or maybe in a separate show). I’m aware of that but it’s still in the development stage and they had no idea how House of the Dragon would do. I’d be surprised if they went ahead with Dunk and Egg as mentioned above if they intend to show the Blackfyre rebellions in Hot D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I’m aware of that but it’s still in the development stage and they had no idea how House of the Dragon would do. I’d be surprised if they went ahead with Dunk and Egg as mentioned above if they intend to show the Blackfyre rebellions in Hot D. True, this was posted in March this year I think. Unless they want to jump back to Aegon's Conquest after Dance is finished, Blackfyre Rebellions seems like a logical next chapter if HOTD does becomes an anthology. Dunk & Egg being released after Blackfyre would be the best situation but I'm not sure if HBO has the patience to wait that long (could be an 8 year wait if Dance takes 4 years/seasons and Blackfyre takes 4 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Positivatee 327 Posted August 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2022 The king's conversation with his daughter highlights two tragedies with the Targaryen family that stretches across both TV series. After having his dream, Aegon conquers Westeros to protect it from the rising threat of the invaders from the frozen north. He knows Winter Is Coming. The Iron Throne becomes a means to use Dragon power to defend the realm, but they keep this secret close to the family. Why incite a panic against an invisible, far away threat? Over the generations that follow, this quest passes into legend as no offensive gestures are taken. Had the Targaryens been clever and forthright, they could have stationed dragons at Winterfell and periodically flown sorties over the Wall to incinerate anything that looks like a threat. Maybe they did that for a while, but abandoned it due to supply lines, cost, morale, lack results, and a change of royal leadership. For generations, the Wall and its magic protect the realm. We know there will be a civil war in the family over how this king selected an heir. That's the selling point of the show: the Dance of Dragons. The Song of Ice and Fire will be forgotten by the winning faction. Years later, Robert's Rebellion forces the surviving Targaryens into exile with no knowledge of the Dream and the Song. The exiles will see the Iron Throne itself as the prize, never knowing it is an obligation to defend the southern world from an icy fate. The families who fill the power vacuum at King's Landing know nothing of the icy threat. The Starks and the Night's Watch have their legends and rumors, but even they don't recognize the true threat until it's practically too late. Dany's tragedy is that she wants the glory of the Crown, believing that is her family's birthright. She sees Jon Snow's cry for help against the White Walkers as a distraction. Her priorities were reversed 180. The second tragedy is how quickly the S8 showrunners used Ninja Arya to dispatch this 300 year old threat in a single episode. Their priorities were also in the wrong place. Jay, JNHFan2000 and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Hi everyone, I just started a blog where I will write about soundtracks and scores, and I will post my own thematic analysis of both new and old scores. I decided to start it by doing a short write-up on the first episode of House of the Dragon, talking about the returning themes as well as the new ones Djawadi is creating. It's still a bit of a work in progress, but I'm hoping it will slowly grow with lots of content. Anyway, here it's the write-up of the first episode of House of the Dragon, so feel free to read and comment any feedback you have. Enjoy! 1x01 Heirs of the Dragon - Musical Analysis of the Episode JNHFan2000 and Oswin Pond 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 22 hours ago, Positivatee said: The Song of Ice and Fire will be forgotten by the winning faction. If it was forgotten, it appears to have come back to them before the end. There's good reason to believe that Rhaegar knew about it (Daenerys's vision), and perhaps Aerys II (the ghost of High Heart's prophecy) and Aegon V (the disaster at Summerhall). On the other hand, the dragons were long extinct by the end of the dynasty, so the Targaryens' unique selling point as leaders of the defense against the White Walkers had gone. 22 hours ago, Positivatee said: ...to dispatch this 300 year old threat in a single episode. Their priorities were also in the wrong place. Agreed on the second point, but the first one isn't very fair. The White Walkers' campaign was shown to be under way in the opening scene of the first season, and cost at least tens of thousands of lives by its conclusion. Naturally their ultimate defeat occurred within some particular episode! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I love the tragedy implied in the "Song of Ice and Fire" prophecy revelation. It reframes so much of the Targaryen dynasty, and further textures the motivations of the monarchs, even Aerys II, AKA the "Mad King" and his obsession with wildfire. It doesn't absolve any of the Targs for their cruelty and hubris, but it does paint an interesting picture of why they were so obsessed with interbreeding and keeping the dragons strong (beyond the obvious grabs for power). It's particularly sad knowing that the fire at Summerhall (in which Aegon "Egg" Targaryen and a bunch of his family died from his experiments with a dragon egg and wildfire) was likely motivated by his own attempt to revive the dragons for the Long Night. Similarly to Prince Rhaegar, who was by all accounts a massive nerd who wanted to write songs and read books until it's implied he learned this info and started his training as a warrior. It also may complicate his motivations for kidnapping/marrying Lyanna Stark beyond just love (even if that's yet to be confirmed in the books) - he needed a third heir for the prophecy of the three-headed dragon to pass. The ultimate tragedy of course is that Daenerys never received this prophecy herself, and highlights just how alienated she was in the end. If she had this knowledge she may not have turned the way she did, instead teaming up with Jon earlier or at the very least accepting the existential threat more readily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,964 Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 House of the Dragon already renewned for 2nd season! Yavar Moradi, Mr. Who and Docteur Qui 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I’m surprised they took this long to announce it. but internally it’s been a given for a long time and work on season 2 has been progressing for awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,457 Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 Between the awful final seasons (in plural - S7 was also atrocious) of GOT and Martin's apparent disinterest in writing the last books, I was really tired of this franchise. Then, after watching the HOTD pilot, I remembered how much I used to like this universe, its worldbuilding and characters. It was a reminder of how great Westeros used to be. I'm really excited for this show. JNHFan2000, Muad'Dib, Docteur Qui and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 26, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 House of the Dragon 1x01 The Heirs of the Dragon I liked it! It's pretty interesting how different this was from GOT's pilot. In that show, we had: An opening north of the wall, immediately showing us a massive magical threat far away from our main characters Characters in a few different locations throughout Westeros Scenes far away an another entire continent in Essos An opening title sequence that laid out how far apart everyone was on a big map In other words, it set up a big scope right away, with lots different places all over the world, and a huge external threat being a part of it This episode by comparison is set entirely in King's Landing, and gives the impression that the entire show will focus on one family's in-fighting over who gets to be king. It's funny that so much of GOT would also be about that, though that eventually told a much broader story on top of the succession story of course, and I have a feeling this one will as well. I'm sure it'll take me a while what every character's name is let alone how to spell them properly, but I liked that this episode largely focused on about 5 people and I felt like I really have a good handle on what makes them tick by the end of the episode. The king, his brother, his daughter, the Hand of the King, and his daughter. The king is interesting, you can tell in the opening prologue that it almost seemed like he didn't really want the throne (the weight of him being chosen seems to visibly weight on him), which to many make him the ideal candidate. He has to make two, huge, life-changing choices in this episode and you can tell he doesn't take either lightly. Choosing to sacrifice his wife to potentially get a male heir, and then choosing high daughter over his cousin. It's interesting that his dragon (who seemed to be bigger than the average dragon?) is now dead, that the throne is cutting him, and also at the end of the episode, to learn he's had a prophecy on the end of all mankind that only his family can stop weighing on him his entire reign as well. Poor guy! The king's brother seems like a super interesting character that we will continue to learn many different aspects of as the show goes on. I loved that we don't get to actually see what he said at the party, but that he knows it doesn't matter and he has to leave. I can't wait to see what he gets up to next. His back and forth with the Hand was pretty good too. Speaking of The Hand, boy he sure seems up to something. I don't know what, since he isn't royal so can never be King. But he wrote a letter back home while everybody of any importance was already in King's Landing, so what's he up to, man? And he pimped out his daughter to the king mere days (?) after the king's wife died... oh boy. Speaking of his daughter, I loved her relationship with the king's daughter, at times it reminded me of early Sansa and Arya, at other times I was pretty sure they were going to turn out to be lovers. But what I really liked was that when her father sends her into the king's grieving chambers, she probably knows what her father is hoping will happen, but she shows up with a book and sits kind of far away from him, keeping everything completely chaste. I wonder which history book she brought, because he seemed to make up his mind about who he should choose as his successor soon after. And speaking of his successor, the king's daughter was a great character! Something about the actor's performance was enchanting, I really liked all her scenes and everything she got up to. She played different aspects of her at different times very well. Reminded me somewhat of Daenerys at times, other times was wholly unique. I got the distinct impression that she's pretty much spent her life feeling like her father was disappointed in her because she wasn't a male heir, and I really wonder how their relationship will change now that she's the heir. Hopefully things get better between them, but in these shows nobody ever remains in a good place for too long..... So I pretty much liked everything here, the smaller stakes and slower pacing is all right by me! The City Guard's attack on the supposed lawbreakers and the jousting tournament were exciting enough, and I liked how the childbirth was framed as its own "battlefield". That scene was one of the most intense scenes I've seen on TV in a while, and the way the episode cut back and forth between that and the tournament was brilliantly done. About the only thing that didn't work for me was the music, and I honestly don't know if they were intentional with this or if I had some kind of technical issue: Basically I could barely hear the music most of the episode. It was noticeable almost right away when the king's daughter is flying over the city on her dragon, and instead of any kind of soaring fanfare, I had to sort of struggle to even tell what the music was trying to do at all. But then also at the very end, the final cue and end credits music was mixed so low, I could barely tell what it was supposed to be until I realized it was the old GOT theme. Did anybody else thing the music was ridiculously low volume? JNHFan2000, Nick1Ø66 and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 The music mix was fine for me, might have been a glitch on whatever platform you were watching on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Can also attest that the music mix was fine for me as well, and I watched it both once over a Discord stream and on a projector with speakers behind me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 I watched via a paid HBO Max subscription, the Roku version of the app through my TV that has Roku built in. I noticed that when the episode started, the Dolby Vision icon appeared in the upper right, which is how my TV tells me it's receiving an HDR (and I assume 4K) signal, which was great because every show we've watched on HBO Max until then had only been 1080p. So maybe the 4K HDR stream had Dolby Atmos for the audio mix, and my receiver didn't process it right? I've never had a problem with any other 4K content... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTheBaptist 57 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 If this is the best HBO has to offer, they're in trouble. I can't imagine anyone other than the most hardcore GOT fans sticking with this. Bilbo and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 9 hours ago, JohnTheBaptist said: If this is the best HBO has to offer, they're in trouble. I can't imagine anyone other than the most hardcore GOT fans sticking with this. I’ve only seen two episodes of GOT, missed the entire period where everyone was head over heels for the franchise, and I’m on board with this show already Bilbo and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTheBaptist 57 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 You didn't deny being a hardcore GOT fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 This video (at the start) has the full score from the premiere minus that insert of Daenerys'/the dragon theme in The Prince That Was Promised. It's in chronological order. After the first time The Prince That Was Promised plays, it jumps back to the cues from the beginning of the episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 19/8/2022 at 6:18 PM, Bilbo said: I still wouldn’t be shocked if it was the GoT theme again. None of the review copies had the opening titles and neither have the premier. And I am not shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 16 hours ago, JohnTheBaptist said: You didn't deny being a hardcore GOT fan. I thought that was implied, I've never read the books and Hot D's first episode has been the only thing that's made me want to invest in the franchise Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I thought that was implied, I've never read the books and Hot D's first episode has been the only thing that's made me want to invest in the franchise He’s just a RoP fan who isn’t happy that people have eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 26/8/2022 at 11:44 PM, Jay said: Choosing to sacrifice his wife to potentially get a male heir. I think the mother was doomed either way if they practiced the caesarian or not. Thats what the ‘medics’ say in the episode, and i think thats what happened in real life until they learnt to do things right…. Saving the baby was the only thing the could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: I think the mother was doomed either way if they practiced the caesarian or not. Thats what the ‘medics’ say in the episode, and i think thats what happened in real life until they learnt to do things right…. Saving the baby was the only thing the could do. Yes, there was never a chance to save Aemma. Either both die or the child could live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Bilbo said: Either both die or the child could live. You’re looking for the Harry Potter thread. Bilbo and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: I think the mother was doomed either way...Thats what the ‘medics’ say in the episode... I get the impression that the maester here isn't very good (remembering the earlier scene where he treats the king's back). Of course, his information is all that Viserys has to go on. But, even so, it wasn't merely a choice between one death or two; it was also a choice about how Aemma would die (the maester indicated that to anaesthetise her further would endanger the life of the child). It's hard to shake the feeling that he chose for her to die in agony in order to get himself an heir. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: I get the impression that the maester here isn't very good Or Citadel conspiracy 👀 he’s Grand Maester though so I doubt he’s too incompetent. If he was wrong he was intentionally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 I think the dialogue is deliberately ambiguous and be interpreted in two different ways. Option 1: if we do nothing, both will probably die - we leave it up to the gods. If we intervene, we can save the child, but the mother will certainly die of blood loss. Option 2: we can do a c section that will save the child, but will kill the mother. Or we can save her by getting the child out of her in such a way that it will die. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,964 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I interpreted it the following way: Aemma was going to die either way. So Viserys would be able to choose between letting both the child and Aemma die, or just Aemma, by cutting the baby out of her. He chose the latter knowing she would die, and hoping the child would be a boy. Which it was. And a few hours later it died anyway. Which makes the whole thing even sadder. He thought he made the right choice after his son was born, but then he also dies. Viserys is completely destroyed. Unable really to react or talk with anyone. To make the matter even worse, his council just acts like nothing happened by talking about his succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2022 It's even more intense than that. The choice he made, he knew would absolutely cause her intense pain and distress. In other words, it wasn't a choice to like, give her some medieval equivalent of morphine so she felt nothing. It was a brutal surgery that she was feeling every part of. And also crucially, she had no say in the matter. He was given full agency over her body and life JNHFan2000, DarthDementous and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 59 minutes ago, Jay said: Option 2: we can do a c section that will save the child, but will kill the mother. Or we can save her by getting the child out of her in such a way that it will die. I don’t think there’s anything in the dialogue to suggest they could save Aemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 At the very least, something was said about "leaving it up to the gods" IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: At the very least, something was said about "leaving it up to the gods" IIRC I took that to mean “you can choose neither or the baby. If you don’t the gods will decide whether the baby survives or they both die.” Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 A valid interpretation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's even more intense than that. The choice he made, he knew would absolutely cause her intense pain and distress. In other words, it wasn't a choice to like, give her some medieval equivalent of morphine so she felt nothing. Wouldn't that be milk of the poppy? Why didn't they give her that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 I think she WAS on that, for the "normal" birth they were hoping for, but she was clearly in agonizing pain during the c-section, so either it wore off, they wouldn't have time to wait for more to set in, or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Yeah they said they gave her as much as they could. I mean it’s morphine, I imagine there’s only so much you can give a woman in childbirth anyway? anyway, the leaked intro for tonight looked cool but it seemed and sounded sped up. About 20 seconds shorter than the GOT one. Hopefully that was the case. Looked cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 I have no idea what you're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: I have no idea what you're talking about The opening credits have leaked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Right but why not share a link so we can see it and discuss it to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Oh I just assumed it was all over the internet. Hold on, I’ll find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 You can't assume everyone reading this thread is the type of person to go around the internet looking for leaks or other HOTD info I certainly do not, as I don't want to be spoiled on the show - I haven't read the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Here it is: 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Right but why not share a link so we can see it and discuss it to? I wasn’t sure whether posting leaks was allowed or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Thanks, that was pretty good, I liked the blood being used. And yea, clearly sped-up to avoid being auto-discovered and taken down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 It looks like the Targ family tree linked by blood with deceased members symbols being covered in blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I wasn’t sure whether posting leaks was allowed or not I mean, the opening credits is hardly a plot spoiler, and those who don't want to see it ahead of tonight's episode 2 simply wouldn't press the play button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: I mean, the opening credits is hardly a plot spoiler, and those who don't want to see it ahead of tonight's episode 2 simply wouldn't press the play button. I meant from a legal point rather than spoilers. I wasn’t sure if it was safe for the forum to post stuff like that, that’s all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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