Quintus 5,399 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 With the Superman theme passing with ease into the mind of popular culture and Goldsmiths underrated Supergirl theme being wrongly brushed under the shite (yet strangely entertaining) film carpet, is this perhaps the only time that Williams and Goldsmith have actually gone head-to-head, in terms of musical genre? I cannot think of another time that the two greats actually worked on a project which featured very similar material, so surely Goldsmith felt like he had a challenge on his hands when he scored Supergirl. After all, he was indirectly following up a Williams bonifide classic. Jerry must have taken this into thoughtful consideration when he sat to write his interpretation of the S-chested hero. For all he knew, Supergirl might turn into another big franchise and actually rocket him into the summer blockbuster trend of the '80s, which he must have secretley wanted, seeing as he took the project on in the first place. He knew he had a hell of an act to follow in terms of iconic theme tunes.So as good as the Supergirl theme may actually be (terrible synth whooshes accepted), do you think Goldsmith ultimately failed when compared to one of Williams' finest, or was he merely a victim (again!) of the great score/theme - shit film syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Neither options. I don't think the theme is as good, regardless of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 I agree, but if Supergirl had actually been successful (God forbid), then I could actually see the theme as being part of eighties popular culture, in the same way the Superman theme is. As much as we movie music fans love our shit, it IS dictated to an extent, by a films success. If Superman had flopped, then the theme would've most likey vanished with it. Apart from the die-hard fans who love the stuff regardless, myself included. Supergirl's theme IS a quality and catchy piece of music in the same vein as the Williams theme, just less accomplished.Successful films or franchises make the music sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I think it's also the same with "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "King Solomon's Mines".I love the Raiders March and the score by Williams but I always thought that Jerry's March for Quatermain is also VERY entertaining and the rest of the score is really great adventure music too with a beautiful B-Theme for the Upside Down People.Nemesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I could see Supergirl's theme being part of the 80's pop culture if the movie was successful, but not in a Superman kind of way. To me, the theme sounds very campy, in an 80's sort of way. It's not sincere enough to be remembered in a Superman kind of way. King Solomon's Mines I think is a fantastic score, and I am very fond of the theme. But I think the principle melody does not cry out 'our hero!' enough in order to be in the same league as the Raiders march, which IMO is the most wonderful heroic theme there is, and a theme that really adds something to the character, an endearing quality.i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 I could see Supergirl's theme being part of the 80's pop culture if the movie was successful, but not in a Superman kind of way. To me, the theme sounds very campy, in an 80's sort of way. It's not sincere enough to be remembered in a Superman kind of way.I think you just hit the nail on the head. But if the Superman movie had failed to recieve its audience, I'd bet that the main theme would be judged in the same way. In an overly pompous kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 That sounds entirely likely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Supergirl and King Solomon's mines,while good, don't even compare to Superman and Raiders of the Lost Ark.In fact,these are the 2 scores that forever cemented in my head that Jerry Goldsmith is #2 compared to John Williams.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Supergirl is one of my all-time favourite scores for a very entertaining film. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 The theme is one of Goldsmith's greatest and most original ones. Btw I love the synth wooshes!! (I think you mean those in Street Attack?)MSM - who remembers he still owes Miguel a copy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Supergirl's score (theme) is good but not as great as Superman's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 So as good as the Supergirl theme may actually be (terrible synth whooshes acceptedI remember that I wanted to get this score badly after hearing those "whooshes" back in 1984. Those were the days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Supergirl is one of my all-time favourite scores for a very entertaining film.I find it very hard to watch. Like Morlock said about the soundtrack, it's all too campy. It certainly didn't stand the test of time.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Supergirl (the movie) is a campy mess. The music is not.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Well, at least both scores more or less suck in the sound department.As if iconic comic heroes had an unfortunate alliance with bad mixing. Apart from that, 'Supergirl' simply lacks any epic qualities...the whole first third of 'Superman' and much beloved by any disciplined Williams fan.Apart from that, i would say the `Superman`march is a much richer composition, but i yawn through everything after 'Fortress of Solitude', while i certainly appreciate Goldsmiths' far punchier action music.The really noteworthy thing are these neverdying threads here or at FSM: you could discuss brilliant scores, old and new, and get 10 meager replies. Type in 'SUPERMAN- or GIRL'...and you've got a multiple page thread rolling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 12/1/2005 at 6:41 PM, publicist said: Type in 'SUPERMAN- or GIRL'...and you've got a multiple page thread rolling... Aparently not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 No one even remembers JW's silly dated Superman score in these Zimmerian Man of Steelian times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Zimmer's score has superior sound and picture quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Was there ever an expansion of this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Only that bonus CD when it came out with his "sketches". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,531 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Was there ever an expansion of this score? Yes, the Silva release of 1993 was an early expansion. 76 minutes, compared to the 40-minute Varese. I had the Silva once, but it was far too long and meandering, so I sold it. I've been looking for a digital version of the OST instead, but it's very hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I have the eight minute Roy Budd suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I have the digital version on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Lucky you! I have the digital version of the Silva Screen release on Spotify. https://open.spotify.com/album/3JFvf9kQoQIvPuBf1royMZ?si=0zAg4KbuSnK3OeMvrhl54Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Any way you can tape it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I flicked it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Þekþiþm said: Any way you can tape it? I'm currently setting up my tape recorder next to the speaker. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: I'm currently setting up my tape recorder next to the speaker. Yep, that'll work good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: I've been looking for a digital version of the OST instead, but it's very hard to find. 1 hour ago, Þekþiþm said: I have the digital version on CD. Perhaps you could copy it onto tape for Thor, and send it with the fastest ocean liner available. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Perhaps you could copy it onto tape for Thor, and send it with the fastest ocean liner available. Yeah, freightliners are too quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Whem will there be a movie titled Superwoman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 What a toxic comment. Superperson, if you don’t mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Thuperperthun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Clark, it's me, Linda Lee. I found the Popeye's Chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 On 4/9/2020 at 9:40 AM, Jurassic Shark said: I have the eight minute Roy Budd suite. What's it like? Supergirl as a film is fun if you switch your brain off. I'd rather watch it than Lester's SII abomination. The score is terrific! Flying Ballet is gorgeous, with or without the visuals. One of the earliest Goldsmith scores I picked up on (along with ST: TMP, Legend and NIMH). I'm sorry I missed out on the Varese CD back in the day, but I fortunately have two copies of the Silva (UK and US releases). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: What's it like? I can hum it to you over a PM if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 4 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Supergirl as a film is fun if you switch your brain off. I'd rather watch it than Lester's SII abomination. Supergirl is a masterclass at how NOT to make a movie. Every single creative choice is wrong. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It's quaint, fun schlock with a hot chick with superpowers and a hammy old harpie. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Chen G. said: Supergirl is a masterclass at how NOT to make a movie. Every single creative choice is wrong. Leslie Halliwell for one disagrees with you. Supergirl got one star, Superman The Movie got zero, as did the three sequels. And I never said it was a good movie, I said it was fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I like the bit when she fights the invisible dragon monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: It's quaint, fun schlock If there's one thing I hate movies being is "quaint." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 So you don't like anything old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Supergirl is insufferable, but Faye Dunaway, Peter O'Toole and Brenda Vaccaro give it a special slant towards the demented. It's just not right seeing Lawrence of Arabia as 'Zoltar'. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: So you don't like anything old? What are you talking about? This is a new film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, publicist said: Supergirl is insufferable, but Faye Dunaway, Peter O'Toole and Brenda Vaccaro give it a special slant towards the demented. It's just not right seeing Lawrence of Arabia as 'Zoltar'. Oh this explains why Chen hates it so much. It taints his memory of his hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I don't even like Lawrence of Arabia that much. I didn't even give it a full five stars! 49 minutes ago, publicist said: It's just not right seeing Lawrence of Arabia as 'Zoltar'. Brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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