Arpy 4,145 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/12/ridley-scott-thinks-disney-should-hire-more-experienced-directors-for-star-wars/ Quote ...You can get me for my fee, which is heavy, but I'll be under budget and on time. This is where experience does matter, it's as simple as that! It can make you dull as dishwater, but if you're really experienced and you know what you're doing, it's fucking essential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Luckily, they didn't hire Ridley Scott, because he would once more have underwhelmed us with his "character drawing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 I think he's right regarding the "experience" factor. Whenever you read about Spielberg or Scorsese or any of the big-names in Hollywood, you can tell they get in and get what they need and get out. Kathleen Kennedy and Co. have surely felt the effects of millions of dollars in reshoots on two films so far because their faith in these indie directors were misplaced. I like Scott's candidness though, it's refreshing to see a director being open about the nitty gritty shitty business and not fearing retaliation. His latest films have been a mixed bag of half-baked ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Scott better stay away from Star Wars for his own sake. He's too good for it. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A24 4,333 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Scott made his best movies when he himself was still 'inexperienced'. Ricard, Bilbo, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Star Wars doesnt need auteur directors, it needs competent craftsmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Brett Ratner should make one. A. A. Ron and idril 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Was Gladiator Scott’s last really good film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, Bilbo said: Was Gladiator Scott’s last really good film? No. A Ridley Scott STAR WARS would have been interesting, but I'd rather hope he gets to finish the new ALIEN trilogy. Both of the films so far have been some of the very best the 2010s have had to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Brett Ratner should make one. Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Thor said: No. I mean, American Gangster was alright but I think that’s it. He made two God awful “Alien” movies and there was that appalling Egyptian thing. He made Robin Hood old and boring. The dude should be stopped at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Star Wars doesnt need auteur directors. And yet, Rian Johnson is just that.... 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Quote I mean, American Gangster was alright but I think that’s it. He made two God awful “Alien” movies and there was that appalling Egyptian thing. He made Robin Hood old and boring. The dude should be stopped at this point. You couldn't be more wrong. Yes, he's had a couple of movies since GLADIATOR that haven't been THAT good (I'm not that thrilled with MATCHSTICK MEN, A GOOD YEAR, THE COUNSELOR and THE MARTIAN -- although I could easily recommend all of them; Scott's bar is that high), but the rest have been great. I'm an avid defender of EXODUS: GODS & KINGS, and obviously thankful that the JWFAN community is not representative when it comes to the critical reception of the two bloody brilliant ALIEN movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 But Thor, you sure aren't representative of critical reception of those movies, either... Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Chen G. said: And yet, Rian Johnson is just that.... The auteur director of The Brothers Bloom, Looper and those 2 great Breaking Bad episodes? Suuure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, publicist said: But Thor, you sure aren't representative of critical reception of those movies, either... I actually am. Not representative of the fan community, perhaps, but definitely representative of the majority of film critics. Especially COVENANT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I found them entertaining in a cheap, formulaic Hollywood way but far from being anything to be seriously considered as worthy update of the canon. Scott has basically been a gun-for-hire who takes on whatever project shoots fast and easy, preferably with a script attached, and while this sure is quite an achievement at his age, the resulting movies are compromised at best. I am not a film critic so i take this stuff as it comes and i saw 'The Martian' and 'Exodus' and 'Robin Hood' and these are truly no reasons to become a film fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 51 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The auteur director of The Brothers Bloom, Looper and those 2 great Breaking Bad episodes? Suuure..... Auteur theory doesn't define directors based on how prolific they are. An auteur isn't necessarily a seasoned "big-shot" Hollywood director. It applies to any director who has enough control over the production and enough of a personal style, that the finished film feels like his product. The Last Jedi is just that - its a Rian Johnson movie. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 A true auteur director doesnt do the 9th Star Wars movie ever made. He creates something of himself. Rian Johnson is NOT an auteur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It just needs better writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Lars Von Trier is a true auteur. I wanna see that Star Wars movie! 1 hour ago, publicist said: I found them entertaining in a cheap, formulaic Hollywood way but far from being anything to be seriously considered as worthy update of the canon. Scott has basically been a gun-for-hire who takes on whatever project shoots fast and easy, preferably with a script attached, and while this sure is quite an achievement at his age, the resulting movies are compromised at best. I am not a film critic so i take this stuff as it comes and i saw 'The Martian' and 'Exodus' and 'Robin Hood' and these are truly no reasons to become a film fan. That pretty much sums it up for me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: A true auteur director doesnt do the 9th Star Wars movie ever made. He creates something of himself. Rian Johnson is NOT an auteur. The project doesn't matter. The product does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: It just needs better writers. True dat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The project doesn't matter. The product does. That is the mindset of Disney, not of a commited artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Auteur theory doesn't define directors based on how prolific they are. An auteur isn't necessarily a seasoned "big-shot" Hollywood director. It applies to any director who has enough control over the production and enough of a personal style, that the finished film feels like his product. The Last Jedi is just that - its a Rian Johnson movie. Please. I doubt that anyone, including you, would be able to point to any specific 'personal style' inherent to RJ in this movie (pardon, 'product'). It's a multi million $ operation with hundreds of people working on it independently. The authors of the auteur theory never dared to dream of productions of this scope. BLUMENKOHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Wikipedia: An auteur (French: [o.tœʁ], author) is a singular artist who controls all aspects of a collaborative creative work, a person equivalent to the author of a novel or a play. Lars Von Trier fits the bill but Rian Johnson strikes me as a gun for hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Johnson is too much the Star Wars fan to be an auteur of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The whole theory has been debunked often enough. Von Trier notwithstanding, who would fit the bill at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Auteur theory certainly has its drawbacks, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 According to foreign directors it's virtually impossible to make an auteur film under the Hollywood system. It's like an oiled machine. Movies practically make themselves. Everybody has their speciality. They just expect a director to show up and shout "action!" In Europe you have to do everything yourself. In Hollywood the director isn't even allowed to touch the camera, so to speak, or the cameraman will call his union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Pretty ironic considering Hollywood was founded by young inspired filmmakers running away from the incredibly constrictive Edison system. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: According to foreign directors it's virtually impossible to make an auteur film under the Hollywood system. It's like an oiled machine. Movies practically make themselves. Everybody has their speciality. They just expect a director to show up and shout "action!" In Europe you have to do everything yourself. In Hollywood the director isn't even allowed to touch the camera, so to speak, or the cameraman will call his union. Luc Besson comes to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Rather russian junk dealers and peddlers who wanted to make a buck off movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 George Lucas, never forget, is something of an auteur himself. In fact it seems the Hollywood system is his mortal enemy and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, idril said: George Lucas, never forget, is something of an auteur himself. In fact it seems the Hollywood system is his mortal enemy and always has been. Yet he sold his IP to a Hollywood conglomerate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Denise Bryson said: Yet he sold his IP to a Hollywood conglomerate? In interviews, even he seems baffled by his own doing this! Disney = 'White slavers'! But I believe it was largely to keep his employees in their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 How thoughtful and altruistic of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 So I read that Disney's three Star Wars films combined have made combined 4 billion now (and counting), around what they bought the franchise from Lucas for. Obviously that doesn't take into account the production and market costs, (though it doesn't take into account their merchandising revenues either), so all in all I'd say it was an excellent investment on Disney's part. I wonder if Lucas should have held out for more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 He sold Lucasfilm for over four billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would he want more?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, Richard said: He sold Lucasfilm for over four billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would he want more?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I've seen that, somewhere, probably on this very site. There's a rumour that it's Photoshoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Rian Johnson certainly has it in him (at most, he can be considered an 'action auteur' at the present time), but it's too early tell. He'll need to do a few more works in order to find the thematic and stylistic threads running through his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 According to this new biography that's exactly what George likes to eat. (note to europeans: on Amazon .de the english Kindle version is on sale for only 0.99Cent) Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 So George Lucas basically has the same diet as Donald Trump! (at least he's having a diet coke though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Thor said: Rian Johnson certainly has it in him (at most, he can be considered an 'action auteur' at the present time), but it's too early tell. He'll need to do a few more works in order to find the thematic and stylistic threads running through his work. The "thematic and stylistic threads" were already running through Spielberg's work, after only three films (four, if you count DUEL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: So George Lucas basically has the same diet as Donald Trump! (at least he's having a diet coke though) DT reportedly has 11 per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 33 minutes ago, Richard said: He sold Lucasfilm for over four billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would he want more?! Didn't he donate most of said money to charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Didn't he donate most of said money to charity? He got half in cash and half in stock. He gave the cash to education charities in California I believe it was. Star Wars films have made $4billion in ticket sales but Disney doesn’t get 100% of every ticket sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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