Jay 37,467 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Quintus said: A poster called Ins is going. He said he was at the Boston 2013 meet, so does that mean he was likely US based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Ah right okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo 54 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 4:35 PM, Jay said: Question. Is anybody besides me and @Smeltington coming from the US for this show? I'm going. How could one miss John Williams and the London Symphony Orchestra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,467 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Have you checked in this thread? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28277-the-official-european-jwfan-pre-concert-meetup-thread-london-october-26-2018-venue-booked/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,367 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Got an e-mail from the LSO: 'logistically impossible' to record/broadcast the concert. I don't recall this being an issue with the prom last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Of course it's not impossible. Many concerts have been recorded in the Albert Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Got an e-mail from the LSO: 'logistically impossible' to record/broadcast the concert. I don't recall this being an issue with the prom last year. They have a kind-of point. Where would the cameras go if all the seats are booked up/ sold? BBC Proms has a designated area on the arena floor to hold cameras/camera flying etc bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 You really think cameramen sit on audience seats? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,041 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Maybe it is a problem with equipment availability etc Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Maybe all the cameramen in London are attending the concert! Fabulin and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, crocodile said: Maybe it is a problem with equipment availability etc Karol Or maybe whoever is funding this concert had no interest in paying to have it recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,041 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I reckon YouTube has an exclusive rights to broadcast this one . You can even choose from several angles so it makes you feel like you're actually there...recording it on your phone. It's so interactive! Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Or maybe whoever is funding this concert had no interest in paying to have it recorded? Snickers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, crocodile said: I reckon YouTube has an exclusive rights to broadcast this one . You can even choose from several angles so it makes you feel like you're actually there...recording it on your phone. It's so interactive! Karol Are you being serious? 1 minute ago, Quintus said: Snickers? I don't know? Are they the ones sponsoring it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yeah, "An Evening With John Williams and The London Symphony Orchestra. Brought to you by Snickers." Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Great! I will be sure to buy one during the intermission! Any word yet on complimentary wine? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Got an e-mail from the LSO: 'logistically impossible' to record/broadcast the concert. I don't recall this being an issue with the prom last year. "Logistically impossible" could refer to the many different copyrights involved in a programme like this. 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: You really think cameramen sit on audience seats? At the Vienna State Opera, the camera crew takes up at least the first row of the standing area. Wouldn't be surprised if they block a couple of seats as well (if not at the State Opera, perhaps at another venue). (They obviously don't take up seats at another venue when filming at the State Opera though...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 That's probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: That's probable. You really think it’s probable cameramen could sit on seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Marian edited his post after I responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,236 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Got an e-mail from the LSO: 'logistically impossible' to record/broadcast the concert. I don't recall this being an issue with the prom last year. It is decided well in advance of sale which BBC Proms concerts will be recorded for TV broadcast and seats in certain areas of the hall are not sold for those concerts accordingly. @tmarps is right that some of the usual camera positions for BBC Proms concerts take up space that would otherwise be available for concertgoers. For example, a small temporary platform is built over the last few rows of the seats in block O of the stalls for the boom camera, while there is also a camera on rails immediately in front of the stage and sometimes another on a platform further back in the arena itself. This is less of a problem for BBC Proms concerts as the concertgoers in the arena are standing and can therefore avoid their view being restricted to some degree if they are so minded. There is also usually a camera in the gallery which would also mean one of the arches would not be available for the public and the capacity reduced. I would have loved to see this concert recorded but unless it had been decided in advance, it would almost certainly have meant fewer tickets being available for people to attend the concert in person. I suspect that Marian might also have a point about copyright issues for a recording of a concert such as this. 50 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Any word yet on complimentary wine? On hot days during the Proms season they sometimes leave jugs of water and paper cups on the shelves in the concourses during the interval (they also do this now at Wembley Stadium, go figure). bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Yeah, "An Evening With John Williams and The London Symphony Orchestra. Brought to you by Snickers." No, it's "An Evening with John Williams, brought to you by Ollivander batons". 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: "Logistically impossible" could refer to the many different copyrights involved in a programme like this. I don't see why releasing a concert recording should be any more difficult than the JW approved compilation albums, copyright-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,367 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I hadn't considered the possible issues cameras could have at all. As for copyright restrictions, some people need to get a life. I only hope a fan will record JW's speeches, if he gives them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: As for copyright restrictions, some people need to get a life. What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Omen II said: On hot days during the Proms season they sometimes leave jugs of water and paper cups on the shelves in the concourses during the interval (they also do this now at Wembley Stadium, go figure). Is it alcoholic water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,367 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: What does this even mean? That I'm not a fan of copyright restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Sure, but that doesn't make your comment any less of a non sequitur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: Marian edited his post after I responded. Technically, I just replied to another message. The board merged my posts. 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't see why releasing a concert recording should be any more difficult than the JW approved compilation albums, copyright-wise. It might depend on the selected pieces, some of those in this concert might be more difficult to get approval for. Also, whoever managed and produced the other compilation albums might have had the contacts and resources to get the necessary permissions. Whoever is in charge for this concert at the LSO might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It might depend on the selected pieces, some of those in this concert might be more difficult to get approval for. Also, whoever managed and produced the other compilation albums might have had the contacts and resources to get the necessary permissions. Whoever is in charge for this concert at the LSO might not. As long as they have JW's blessing I'm sure there's no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: As long as they have JW's blessing I'm sure there's no problems. That has nothing to do with the necessary rights to release a recording of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The right holders care about getting paid and the context in which the music is used. And for both these factors I'm sure the composer's own involvement is a positive thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: The right holders care about getting paid and the context in which the music is used. And for both these factors I'm sure the composer's own involvement is a positive thing. But it could still be a considerable number of different rights holders that have to be contacted, negotiated with and paid. And performance rights differ from release rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Exactly! Vienna seems to be making that effort though, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Vienna seems to be making that effort though, thankfully. Hopefully they've solved the logistics *before* announcing that they're going to release the concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 A quick question: are orchestral concert at the RAH usually miked/amplified? Do you think that will be the case for the JW concert too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I don't think they are. The one I attended in 2001 certainly wasnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,592 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I've been to two RAH concerts (Morricone & Elfman), and none of them have been amped. I know concerts there that have, but they haven't been orchestral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I too remember the Goldsmith concert in 2001 not being amplified. But I was chatting with a friend who attended a handful of Prom concerts at the RAH a couple of years ago and he told me they were amplified/miked. Perhaps our expert @Omen II can shed some light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Well Proms concerts are recorded obviously, so there are microphones there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I saw Howard Shore there. Definitely not amped. I'd have assumed they only do that for live bands and such, as I know the RAH hosts a lot of that sort of thing. All the big British acts do the Albert Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Some of the proms are. It doesn’t really go well with the acoustics of the building. However my friend told me that they recently updated the sound system in the RAH to a better one, so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 As far as I remember, the Elfman concert in Dec. 2014 was slightly amplified, at least - We sat in the choir seats, and out of the speakers pointing our way (no idea about the other direction towards the general auditorium), apart from the obvious synth overlays, came part of the orchestra - a bit disorienting since this created a kind of echo effect with the strings. I'm sure a Williams concert won't be aplified, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,041 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I'm sure the orchestra performances will be simply pre-recorded City of Prague Philharmonic tracks from good old days. 😄 Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,236 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 hours ago, TownerFan said: Perhaps our expert @Omen II can shed some light That's a very diplomatic way of saying "that insufferable little know-it-all @Omen II", Maurizio. 😉 I agree with @ChrisAfonso's recollection that the Danny Elfman concert I attended there was definitely amplified (I was in the circle for that concert and found it quite disconcerting initially until I got used to it), but I have never noticed this to be the case for any of the other orchestral concerts I have attended at the Royal Albert Hall. Sometimes vocalists are miked, for example in the Bernstein On the Town prom a few weeks ago, but if the orchestra is amplified it is certainly unnoticeable to me. Steef is correct too that every BBC Proms concert is recorded for radio broadcast, hence why microphones will be visible at every BBC Proms concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Hoping something from A.I. is featured. Not placing any bets however, begging at least for there not to be 7 minutes wasted upon the godforsaken Throne Room and Finale...🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,592 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 53 minutes ago, Omen II said: That's a very diplomatic way of saying "that insufferable little know-it-all @Omen II", Maurizio. 😉 I agree with @ChrisAfonso's recollection that the Danny Elfman concert I attended there was definitely amplified (I was in the circle for that concert and found it quite disconcerting initially until I got used to it), but I have never noticed this to be the case for any of the other orchestral concerts I have attended at the Royal Albert Hall. Sometimes vocalists are miked, for example in the Bernstein On the Town prom a few weeks ago, but if the orchestra is amplified it is certainly unnoticeable to me. Steef is correct too that every BBC Proms concert is recorded for radio broadcast, hence why microphones will be visible at every BBC Proms concert. I didn't notice anything myself (except for the mikes used for singers, obviously). Maybe because I was on the floor. 20 minutes ago, The Psycho Pianist said: Hoping something from A.I. is featured. Not placing any bets however, begging at least for there not to be 7 minutes wasted upon the godforsaken Throne Room and Finale...🙏 Highly unlikely (unfortunately). He didn't even deem it good enough for the Spielberg, Vol. 3 compilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Omen II said: That's a very diplomatic way of saying "that insufferable little know-it-all @Omen II", Maurizio. 😉 I agree with @ChrisAfonso's recollection that the Danny Elfman concert I attended there was definitely amplified (I was in the circle for that concert and found it quite disconcerting initially until I got used to it), but I have never noticed this to be the case for any of the other orchestral concerts I have attended at the Royal Albert Hall. Sometimes vocalists are miked, for example in the Bernstein On the Town prom a few weeks ago, but if the orchestra is amplified it is certainly unnoticeable to me. Steef is correct too that every BBC Proms concert is recorded for radio broadcast, hence why microphones will be visible at every BBC Proms concert. Thank you for all the info, @Omen II! You're kind as usual I wouldn't mind if they will amplify certain instruments (last year in Boston for the JW Film Night, they had a mike to amplify certain soloists, like harp and celeste), but not an overall amplification to the whole orchestra. I reckon that Elfman's film music is much more dependant on a specific balance which wouldn't be possible to achieve in a live setting without amplification, while JW's music is much more traditional in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Amplification at the RAH has become more common over the last few years. Results are variable; the James Newton Howard concert sounded spectacular, whereas the James Horner sounded ghastly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 toothless and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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