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On 11/9/2018 at 2:16 PM, John said:

Honestly, I feel pity now whenever Mattris or another poster on his side of the aisle delivers another rant. It's not just reasonable, understandable disapproval of TLJ, Kennedy and company, but just the outright hatred they exhibit.

 

I dunno, I hope one day they realize these big popcorn flicks aren't everything important in the world. If you're just going to get all fired up over something not turning out the way you hoped it to be, just move along and find something else you like.

 

You feel pity for me? Oh, the irony! 🤣

 

I will continue to "hate" TLJ because the film was intentionally divisive.

 

I never said "these big popcorn flicks [are] everything important in the world." I will "get all fired up over something not turning out the way 👁️ hoped it to be" because I want to enact change, which always starts small (personal conversations --> interaction among fans --> fans contacting those in charge --> those in charge taking feedback into consideration --> better products offered. Many disenchanted fans will "not just move along and find something else you like". Moving forward, we want to love Star Wars - not forget about it.

 


@John this is my my response to you (slightly modified) from the previous page, which pointed out your desperation to discredit me: 
  

On 11/6/2018 at 5:16 PM, John said: 
Nope. Just search for the term “Mattris” or “Mattriss” across the forum and see for yourself just how lowly he is regarded.  
  
We’re all si
ck of his crap.  
  
  
You, on the other hand... 
... say that Boba Fett was just popular because of his costume, forgetting that Fett located the Millennium Falcon for Darth Vader and earned his respect... then claimed his bounty - Han Solo. 
... linked a complete nonsense article claiming that Disney has recouped its investment in Lucasfilm. But the article contained no figures except box office grosses. 
... were incorrect in saying that the prequels "ruined the franchise" when the next Star Wars film earned over $2 billion 
... blamed Solo on "a general lack of interest in a spinoff about a character that died in another movie 3 years ago ... and "portrayed by a different actor", lackluster marketing, poor trailers, competition from other films, a "half-baked" movie that "just isn't all that great", coming out too soon, the average moviegoer had "no idea" it was coming out, and... 
- point to TLJ's "A" Cinema score as evidence that TLJ was well received, but... 
- admitted that there is a TLJ backlash, but... 
- said that it had "nothing to do with Solo's box office failure" 
- said that people in this thread are using me "for easy entertainment value" but are 'sick of my crap' 
- called me out for posting here for months when you are doing the same. 
  

John, am I making you feel bad about the sorry state that Star Wars is in? No? Then you can leave this thread with confidence, having made your contributions. If you choose to stay, please be respectful... and you can expect to receive the same treatment. 
  
 
To anyone who doubts my theories and speculation: What doesn't add up? 
  
  
   
8 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: 
Ah yes, the old going back and emphasizing the conditionality of what I said trick.  
  
It's seriously concerning if hate springs from love in that sense. Quite concerning your severity has become.
  


  
Allow me to have a crack at completing SF1_freeze's statement:
  
"Fans become fans because they love something. Of course they also have the right to be extremely disappointed or even hate something... the more you love the more you may hate..." 
  
... when it is intentionally disrespected or destroyed. Those in charge obviously want us to become attached to the new characters. Problem is, these characters have been introduced - and take up a significant amount of screen time - at the expense of the older characters, who were largely disgraced. 
  
Han Solo was portrayed as a dead-beat dad that ended up being killed by his confused, angry son.

 

So far, Leia has been shown as a failure, having not really done anything across two films... except Force-float though space to a ship after being knocked unconscious from close proximity of a missile explosion. After Carrie Fisher's unfortunate death, we now understand that she is being resurrected using re-purposed, cutting-room floor footage. This is Plan 9 From Outer Space all over again! (Episode IX is Plan IX, I suppose.)
  
Jedi Master Luke Skywalker was portrayed as a disillusion hermit, drinking sea cow titty milk, willing to die alone on an island... without the desire to even try to help his sister, the depleted Resistance forces, or the galaxy - all who were in grave danger. When he did eventually intervene (via a 'Force projection'), the result was his immediate death (suicide). Before that, Luke had the instinct to kill one of his students - his own nephew - in his sleep because he had sensed the Dark Side in him, as well as some dark deeds that Ben hadn't committed yet. 
  
And, of course, many will come to Rian Johnson's defense, saying that he intended to show a disgraced Luke Skywalker. But the problem is, Johnson utterly failed at showing how he fell from grace. 
  
- Why did Ben turn to the Dark Side? The audience wasn't told. 
- How did Snoke turn Ben's heart? The audience wasn't told. 
- If Luke "sensed [the Dark Side within Ben] in moments in his training", why didn't Luke prevent - or attempt to sway - Ben from turning to the Dark Side? The audience wasn't told. 

- After seemingly one - albeit major - mistake, why did Jedi Master Luke Skywalker give up completely? The audience wasn't told. 
- Why was Kylo constantly unhinged? The audience wasn't told. 
- Why does Kylo want Rey to join him... instead of just killing her? The audience wasn't told. 
  
(For a few of these answers, one must read two novels: TLJ novelization and Bloodline.)
  

Conclusion: The Last Jedi is an absolutely dreadful film due to the selfish, ignorant decisions by those in charge. It is not worthy of the being called a Star Wars film. 


  
  
7 hours ago, SF1_freeze said: 
@Chen G. 
I just reacted to the insulting post John made towards Mattris. 
Someone has to, if the majority on this thread seems to not care anymore or even support such a behaviour. 
  
And i bow to you Mattris, its a pleasure to read your well thought out and well articulated discussion points and arguments. And all that in the face of massive opposition and even nastiness by some posters in this thread.


  
Thank you for the support @SF1_freeze. It is cathartic to get my thoughts in writing. And I still have many more observations left to share. 
  
And thanks again to John Williams, who's masterful contributions make this utterly disgusting Disney Star Wars pill slightly less barf-inducing.

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1 hour ago, Demodex said:

Rumor is that Abrams is making a fan-friendly film for Episode 9, like a rehash of Return of the Jedi. 

Yawn. :sleep1:

 

Wouldn't surprise me. If it's an as good as TFA, I may forgive its unoriginality whenever I get around to seeing it. Abrams has never been an inspired filmmaker, but at least he's not Rian Johnson.

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On 11/10/2018 at 5:34 PM, Demodex said:

Rumor is that Abrams is making a fan-friendly film for Episode 9, like a rehash of Return of the Jedi. 

Yawn. :sleep1:

 

22 hours ago, Muldoon said:

 

Wouldn't surprise me. If it's an as good as TFA, I may forgive its unoriginality whenever I get around to seeing it. Abrams has never been an inspired filmmaker, but at least he's not Rian Johnson.

 

If Episode IX is a 'rehash of ROTJ' or 'as good as TFA', I don't expect it to do well financially. To be successful (and get the franchise back on track), the film needs to be something new from Disney/LFL: a creative, satisfying film (and 'conclusion' to the saga) that brings the vastly majority of Star Wars fans together in praise.

 

22 hours ago, Demodex said:

I would love for Johnson to do Episode 9. 

 

:pukeface:

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On 11. November 2018 at 12:34 AM, Demodex said:

Rumor is that Abrams is making a fan-friendly film for Episode 9, like a rehash of Return of the Jedi. 

Yawn. :sleep1:

 

Sounds like you're surprised.

 

This new trilogy is a direct copy of the originals with some weird ass TNG elements thrown in.

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24 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

TLJ feels very Trek for some reason.

 

I agree and that irks me too. Star Wars and Trek were different once and both were good. Wtf happened?

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2 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

TNG elements?

 

Oh, you mean the scene in TLJ with a bunch of Rays that obviously ripped this off:

 

Data_saves_the_day.jpg

 

No.

The entire, neverending scenario with the resistence and First Order engaging in a spaceship chess based on fucking fuel and hyperspace jumps feels like an episode of TNG.

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20 minutes ago, gkgyver said:

 

No.

The entire, neverending scenario with the resistence and First Order engaging in a spaceship chess based on fucking fuel and hyperspace jumps feels like an episode of TNG.

Wesley solves the plot by using one of his bedroom science experiments implemented right at the last second. Worf would've rammed the ship as a last ditch effort (even though that was always his original plan...).

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3 hours ago, Arpy said:

Wesley solves the plot by using one of his bedroom science experiments implemented right at the last second. Worf would've rammed the ship as a last ditch effort (even though that was always his original plan...).

 

Picard delivers a speech so heartwarming, everyone agrees to stop the fighting. Meanwhile, Sisko is about to poison the entire planet.

 

Janeway would get everyone on the casino planet and her ship destroyed, but a crew member would come back through time to save them and by the end of the movie, nobody would be aware that anything happened.

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Then the whole ramming of Snokes ship and his death were revealed to be a giant holodeck simulation and then Snoke kills Rey. Kylo Ren is confronted by Data who says he interfaced with R2D2 to deliver the plans of the ship to the Resistance. Ren decapitates Data and steals the Jockey Donut shop to fly to LV-WTEVR where he creates a hybrid of Rey and Data. 

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Dey-ta and Kylo Ren fly back to the First Order hidden base that uses Romulan cloaking technology where hundreds of thousands of First Order troops are waiting. Meanwhile the Resistance enlist Janeway and her crew to use their advanced technology to create an anti-Death Star, made using Borg technology aided by Sexy of Nine. Snoke exits the Holodeck and makes ready to advance on the Enterprise, revealing an alliance with the Borg in exchange for valuable world's Snoke can give them to assimilate. Finn and Poe pester Picard on the bridge, arguing that they have to save Rey. Riker agrees, if only because Troi insists and he wants to recover Data. Wesley's device creates a special slipstream warp drive allowing the Enterprise and the Resistance aboard Voyager to escape. Ren builds his army and Snoke laughs, because this was his plan all along...

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