Kühni 485 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Quote JLB: "It will be the culmination of not only The Hobbit's story, but the entire LOTR/TH series as a whole."Yeah, no. The only logical culmination within the time- and storyline of Middle-earth is RotK. The Hobbit, SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF BEING THE EARLIER STORY, cannot be that culmination.But I agree this is likely how it will play out in its cinematic and musical form. More's the pity, because it doesn't make much sense in my head; which is why I keep Hobbit and LotR separate. It's the same situation with the original and prequel Star Wars trilogies. The original trilogy built to a climax with Jedi, and the prequel one with Sith. Watched in chronological order, you now have two climaxes.Someone clobber PJ with a big dead fish at their earliest convenience... Gnome in Plaid and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd get on well with all of you at the pub I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd get on well with all of you at the pub I think.I'd love to have a drink with a good deal of you. Hopefully that'll happen sometime. Maybe next year's Boston Pops concert... Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 And the reason there are more LOTR threads that Narnia or Twilight is because more members here like those scores and like discussing them than they do Narnia or Twilight scores.If someone wanted to start a unique Complete Cue List thread for each of the Narnia and Twilight scores, of course they wouldn't be merged together. Why would they be? That makes no sense.Glad to hear it. I'll make sure that by when Bond 24 hits principle photography, this place will be flooded with Bond threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,229 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd get on well with all of you at the pub I think. I'd love to have a drink with a good deal of you But not all of him? A wise caveat: I hear that his feet are an olfactory abomination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Recording.https://twitter.com/JKMSlibrary/status/502194292740194304?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=JKMSlibrary&utm_content=502194292740194304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,475 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 That's early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Is it? The last 2 films had their recording sessions start around the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Maybe I should have said "That's too early." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Too much time for PJ to butcher the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 In-fucking-deed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Well at least you'll get 3 different deluxe versions of the soundtrack in mostly complete form.Were still waiting for the SW Prequel scores Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I am still getting 3 deluxe versions and on top of that am waiting for the SW Prequel scores in expanded form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yeah, we can just expect it to be horribly butchered all over the place anyway (as it was in DoS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yeah, we can just expect it to be horribly butchered all over the place anyway (as it was in DoS).Wasn't it more just dialled out in great swathes?Anyway, very cool that the recording has already started! More time for the score to be cut to ribbons and reassembled! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Maybe I should have said "That's too early." Not much earlier than An Unexpected Journey, which started recording on August 20th 2012 albeit with a substantially different workflow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Maybe I should have said "That's too early." Not much earlier than An Unexpected Journey, which started recording on August 20th 2012 albeit with a substantially different workflow.It must have cost a fortune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 August till what? December?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 376 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I'm guessing late September, possibly early October. And then who knows what thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 No, the scoring sessions for AUJ definiteky ended muuuuuuuch later than that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 AUJ sessions lasted till December. There were last minute choral sessions the week before the Wellington premiere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 376 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Wellington premiere was 28th November, so mid-to-late November it seems.And AUJ may yet be an exceptional case. Is there any evidence to suggest that there were further DoS recording sessions after the initial lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 There were some pickup sessions. Conrad Pope returned to New Zealand at least one more time. As to how extensive those sessions were.... no idea.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Oops, my bad!And there were extra sessions after for DoS, where Pope got called back to NZ after having gone home when the original sessions ended. I don't remember the timeline though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It wasn't long after the initial sessions. Could have been within few weeks even.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I believe the Carrock scene was recorded then (Sanabras mentioned it somewhere). And probably the revised Nazgul stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 376 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Looking at this:http://www.nzso.co.nz/concerts/event-calendar/?mo=August+%2714&vi=cal&se=2014It's possible they might have a slight break in late August/early September and then continue on into early October. But then I notice that the NZSO have currently left large chunks of October and November free, presumably just in case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 AUJ sessions lasted till December. There were last minute choral sessions the week before the Wellington premiere.What piece could it be?As stitched together as the whole finale is, I wouldn't be surprised if they recorded the Nazgul music, the Eagle rescue and the Carrock scene very very late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 AUJ sessions lasted till December. There were last minute choral sessions the week before the Wellington premiere.What piece could it be?As stitched together as the whole finale is, I wouldn't be surprised if they recorded the Nazgul music, the Eagle rescue and the Carrock scene very very late.Yeah it was the very end of November when they wrapped the AUJ sessions. But I think they are going to keep a speedier schedule now with the new division of labour tailored last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I hope there won't be another cue in this trilogy that is so seriously fucked up in the film like Flies and Spiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 That and "The Forest River". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Boooohooooohoooo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well at least we have that music on the album (mostly for Forest River as well). It is not a tracking circus like the Prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Hurray for In(the glass is always half full)canus!I bet KK still sits in his room and sulks about the dailed out music.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Meh, I have the music on album to enjoy. So no quips there!But I cringe every time I see that scene. No sense of pace at all. It's all over the place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,724 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Meh, I have the music on album to enjoy. So no quips there!But I cringe every time I see that scene. No sense of pace at all. It's all over the place!Yeah PJ has been a bit uncertain on the music for the Hobbit when it comes to these scenes. The AUJ second guessing extravaganza and DoS dialling out of the music show some uncertainty whether or not to use the music even though it was commissioned to be written. I think the modern film making which allows room for it can work of course to its advantage but often becomes second guessing which just hurts the music and the film.Oh and one must not forget that we as listeners have become more aware and savvy of these things. LotR trilogy had its fair share of edits but perhaps the new trilogy has tad more audibly different presentation of the music compared to the albums, at least in AUJs case. The longer score release also gives us a lot more of the music to make observations upon and compare. And at the end of the day very few scores survive entirely intact to the final film but I think I can say we all hope these scores would end up there more intact than what is happening now. Especially when a lot of the score dialled out or edited would fit the scene and not impede it in any way, quite the contrary. The Flies and Spiders for example would give the scene a lot of the pulse and energy and nervousness edginess it needs. It works quite well without the score but would probably be a lot more exciting with it intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Don't try to be so reasonable Inky. It wont work. PJ is a hack, and he's ruining Shore's composition and our enjoyment of it....for fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I think PJ is definitely uncertain about placement and is probably upset that there isn't the type of music Shore provided for the previous trilogy. I wonder if PJ had any problems with Williams for Tintin? Before anyone gets hoity toity about what I just said, I absolutely love the music for the Hobbit films, but I have to say that there isn't that fluidity that the rings trilogy had where the pace was sorted fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 i hope he does not fool around with williams on tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Why would PJ have had problems with JW for Tintin? He didnt direct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 He's directing the next one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I thought PJ might have had some say somewhere? Do we know if John will be scoring the next film yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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