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#1 Stefancos

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:01 PM

The iconic Goldsmith cue, tweaked by Brian Tyler.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

A bit overdone, but, seriously, it could have been worse.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

Meh, I still like the original.




Although, Brian Tyler seems to be following in the footsteps left by Goldsmith.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

I agree. Tyler adds some things that don't need to be there, but he stays true to Jerry's theme.

But honestly, could they not have used the old recording with these new, very cool visuals?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:05 PM

I like it! :)

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:06 PM

The graphics are spectacular; the OTT music is but a shadow of Jerry's original.

My subwoofer won't even bother trying to register those lame-arsed BUM-BUMs. And I used to fucking love those bits as well.

And the snares... wtf?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:06 PM

I agree. Tyler adds some things that don't need to be there, but he stays true to Jerry's theme.

But honestly, could they not have used the old recording with these new, very cool visuals?


Nah...they need to make EVERYTHING flashy!!! Including the sound.

I obviously like the old recording better, but while this might be a tad bit overdone, I think its still done well enough!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:10 PM

My subwoofer won't even bother trying to register those lame-arsed BUM-BUMs. And I used to fucking love those bits as well.


They are almost the point of the entire piece. And yes they are too soft.

Jerry knew how to land his DUMS!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

Why did Tyler do away with the high register strings which 'bed' the splendid original? Is that sort of lush warmth no longer trendy?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:12 PM

Just to rumble things up :)



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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:12 PM

It's too "touchy feely" now.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

It sounds fine to me.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:14 PM


My subwoofer won't even bother trying to register those lame-arsed BUM-BUMs. And I used to fucking love those bits as well.


They are almost the point of the entire piece. And yes they are too soft.

Jerry knew how to land his DUMS!


Yeah, the BOOMs!!! The BOOMs are what made this fanfare so special!!!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:16 PM

Just to rumble things up :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKUPEa50Amo

Never heard that one before.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:16 PM

5.1 is great for Jerry's superior original.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:18 PM

It sounds fine to me.


It sounds ok, but they messed with Jerry's steamlined, but ultra effective orchestration and instrumentation.

This new version has a lot more going on, but it's slightly less effective.

Joel McNeely explains it here



5.1 is great for Jerry's superior original.


To me it says "it's fuckin' movie time!"

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:19 PM

And after that promising epic fanfare, in true Jerry fashion, movies rarely deliver. ;)

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:21 PM

This Tyler monstrosity sounds odd. It sounds like three different ideas welded to together. If it were a car it'd be a cut'n'shut.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:22 PM


Just to rumble things up :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKUPEa50Amo

Never heard that one before.

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You know John Williams tweaked it himself.



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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:24 PM

"Monstrosity" is a bit strong isn't it? I think he did a fine job with it...would you have liked Djawadi to have done it instead? The fanfare would have been reduced to some fuzzy pop tune, and your BUM BUMs would sure be affected...

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:24 PM


It sounds fine to me.


It sounds ok, but they messed with Jerry's steamlined, but ultra effective orchestration and instrumentation.

This new version has a lot more going on, but it's slightly less effective.

Joel McNeely explains it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGw4YEU3Z6w

5.1 is great for Jerry's superior original.


To me it says "it's fuckin' movie time!"


Yep, Jerry's motto is "less is more".

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:28 PM

Not throughout his whole career, but certainly from the 90's ;)

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:31 PM


To me it says "it's fuckin' movie time!"


Fuckin' eh! You got that right!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:34 PM

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:36 PM

Ha ha ha!



Although, Alex would take issue with that image - the deviant black shadow directly above Paxton's head completely ruins the composition and framing of the shot. The film is an unmitigated failure as a result.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:42 PM

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:42 PM

I don't like the new graphics or the new recording of the music. There was nothing wrong with the existing one.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

I like the graphics.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

I like the new version. But the snare drums are too loud at the end, and a little too sloppy.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:46 PM

Ya, the snare drums was the big problem with this new version. Otherwise, the tribute is decent enough.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:16 AM

Whoa, somehow never noticed the Williams / ET logo. Great, now I have to stick it in my ET edit.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:16 AM

I dislike it, although the original is so iconic and has been heard so many times, I don't envy Tyler's job. It sounds a little too over the top for my taste, with the snare drums and choir a step too far. Rather than beefing up the existing logo, perhaps they should have merged an older logo's music into the new one to create a sense of history.

As for the graphics, I got goosebumps when I saw the lights turning on - always a good sign!

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:25 AM

I liked it until the chords he's added over the first bar - it takes away from the simplicity and strength of Goldsmith's melody, and also means a rather sudden change of tone when the 'b' part comes in.

Choir is okay I guess - nothing against that really.

The graphics are really neat, but he's made the music just a little too layered for me.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:28 AM

What a dissapointing new recording. All the oomph and percussive power are lost. Lame ass way to degrade a great fanfare.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:15 AM

The rearranged theme is okay -- the original 1997 fanfare is just better, simpler and more powerful. I don't understand the fanfare Universal made about hiring the people at Weta Digital to design a new opening for the 100th anniversary... it's not that impressive but it's clean and well-designed.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:44 AM

I liked the 8 bit version better.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:09 AM

Here's what I got from the new version:
1. A rising bass line, doubled with choir during the repeat of the A theme.
2. Snare drum in the end.
3. Transposed down a key.
4. Removed cymbal crash when B theme begins.
5. Low brass removed from the "DUM DUMs", aka bass/snare drum hits.
6. Choir during B theme?

Feel free to add more to this list.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:03 AM

Still like the Horner version the best. I do like the graphics, as I always hated the modern Universal logo. The new arrangement is alright, I just would have done without the military like drums at the end.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:06 AM

Still like the Horner version the best. I do like the graphics, as I always hated the modern Universal logo. The new arrangement is alright, I just would have done without the military like drums at the end.


Huh? Horner?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:10 AM

If this were something new that someone had just come up with, I'd be rather impressed. But it's a downgrade from the spectacular Goldsmith original, which very well be my favorite logo music of all time. (The Fox fanfare gives it a run for its money, for obvious sentimental reasons.)




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