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Or it could also be that Williams wasn't told about Rey's lineage at first and wrote this with Vader's theme all over it. JJ did a facepalm and had to tell him the full story.
In any case, this is a piece of unknown Williams' music that very few people have heard before. Not sure if it was even recorded.
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5 minutes ago, Nick Parker said:
Also, you covered Blade Runner Blues on a CS80. You are welcome on this forum.
Thanks, that was actually done with Deckard's Dream (self-built).
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A completely different, earlier version of Rey's Theme
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13 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said:
Okay, who's the jerk??
He chose... poorly
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I think it very much depends on the scene and how it's shot. Some scenes work great without music, but some won't work at all.
Music can enhance the scene quite a bit, sometimes conveying information not readily apparent (or even visible) in the picture. For example, in suspenseful scenes the soundtrack can convey fear way before something scary actually appears on screen. It's an additional tool for the filmmaker to play with our emotions, to build anticipation, add suspense, etc.
As a case study, watch The Map Room cue from Raiders, with and without music. If that scene was shot with different pacing, less (or no) music might work, but clearly not as well.
Or better yet, watch the Westwood competition clip with Yakety Sax. It's amazing how fast these cars move!
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On 6/10/2020 at 2:47 PM, Alan said:
How have I been completely unaware of the more complete edit lurking around out there?
Of course I'm not scouring Google. No sir...
An official expanded release can not come fast enough!
What do you mean? There's no way to know if a recording of it will ever be released, or if it was even recorded.
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On 12/29/2015 at 3:26 PM, Jay said:Alright, I finally had time to finish my second pass through the film, and have completely revamped the complete cue list in the main post. A few spots I had thought were unreleased before are actually on the OST, and the whole list now takes into account what we learned from the FYC.
2. The opening 39 seconds of OST track "The Scavenger": Anyone feel like almost doesn't belong here? It's possible this bit was intended for the scenes of Rey in the Star Destroyer but was dialed out, but I wonder if it could actually be for some entire other scene I haven't identified yet?
02. The Scavenger (3:39)
[0:00-0:39] = unknown, possibly unused opening of:
[0:39-2:21] = cue 7 Rey The Scavenger (FYC 03)
[2:21-end] = cue 8 Lunchtime (FYC 04)I matched up the clip I posted earlier to video, and it seems to match so well it looks like a cartoon. No original sounds or SFX in the video, just music. Observe these cues with music (pure speculation though):
- Rey tears off stuff
- Drops from rope
- Lands
- Suspense growing, leading to scarf removal
- Flute playing during drinking
- Slide down
- Lands
- Rey gets up from the sled (steps)
- Rey puts junk to the net (placing the stick has a clear musical accent)
- Engines starting
- Drives away
- Distant view
- Steelpecker
- Rey drags the junk
- Only the end cleaning sequence probably have video cuts as the audio is longer
But this is not what you see in the movie, and I'd agree that it works better: no music in the beginning, and the dune slide with the piano/celeste playing Rey's theme as it sets the pacing much earlier.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dK0tdcys6K1yyL2o2vK5ZVhx6t25hcTq/view?usp=sharing
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Other pieces in the playlist show resemblance to Williams' work, to the point where the notes are different, but the orchestration (tone and color) is nearly the same.
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Just a piano, pen, and paper. No amount of technology can match that.
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On 5/30/2020 at 7:00 PM, gkgyver said:
Is East West finally fucking off with the iLok key? What a pain in the arse.
It's 2020, I could control every single item in my home with fingertips on my smartphone, and yet, I need to plug in a physical device to a computer in order to use a music software.
And if you lose that thing, you'll lose your library as well, unless you buy insurance ($30/yr).
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Here's a MIDI mockup I made of The Map Room: Dawn from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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On 3/9/2016 at 5:24 PM, Loert said:
So what if Williams instinctively suggested at the recording sessions that the choir should sing a measure ahead? Or somebody else with a deep knowledge of the orchestral score? Could he have predicted that the music would still sound so good, to the point that nobody would even consider a mismatch between the recording and sheet music used for the sessions, despite the fact that what the choir is singing doesn't go with the orchestra at all, tonally speaking?
What do you guys think? (and has anybody noticed this before?)
To add to my previous post, I really think that it's a late edit done at the scoring stage. In the original version the choir appears to lead the melody to the next phrase. In the final (recorded) version, the choir finishes the phrase and it forms a direct counterpoint melody with the flutes. They both work as the key doesn't really change inside the phrase, but the final version sounds better structurally.
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This is a fascinating discussion! I created a MIDI mockup of this entire piece which can be heard here (the relevant portion starts at 3:25)
And this is what the piece sounds like with the choir as actually written in the score. It actually sounds pretty good as well, but I definitely prefer the recorded version, the dissonance makes it sound more other-worldly.
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On 12/10/2019 at 12:11 PM, Jay said:
06 To Kimiji (1:37)
07 Fleeing from Kimiji (1:53)
Funny, it's actually Kijimi, not Kimiji. Someone makes a typo and now it's impossible to get rid of it from teh internets.
KIJIMI
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On 11/29/2019 at 3:10 AM, Bespin said:
She died from an overdose in the late 90s.
What? Drew Barrymore is very much alive today.
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Check that trailer again. When Anthony's face isn't showing, it's C-3PO that's talking. When his face is showing, it's him talking. Weird.
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14 hours ago, Docteur Qui said:
This is really amazing @Pando. Very very impressive. Would love to hear more about the libraries you use and what reverb/effects you have going there.
Thank you, I used Spitfire Orchestra Complete (which includes Harp and Percussion), and few other very minor elements (like Rhodes, Gamelan, 8dio choirs, and Deckard's Dream for the ARP part). I did not use much reverb at all since the hall is built into the samples, but I did use a small bit of Valhalla Vintageverb at the master stage to blend it together a bit more. No other effects.
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14 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:
It sounds too good! How long did it take to do?
Thanks, it's hard to estimate time as I did smaller pieces at a time over the course of a few weeks (and tried things out without a score).
17 hours ago, Trent B said:This whole thing is a mockup and non of it real orchestra?!
Yes, other than the samples of course (Spitfire Orchestra).
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2 hours ago, tmarps said:
Is this actually a mock up! I can hear the sounds of orchestra members moving around with my good headphones in the first 2 seconds!!
Yes. Adding a hall ambience (noise essentially) is one of the tricks to make it sound more real.
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Not sure if anyone has done a complete mockup of this track, but here is my attempt. It was certainly fun to do this without a full score (does anyone have one?).
Happy Halloween!
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The Force Awakens - Complete Score Breakdown & Chronological Order (Film Spoilers Allowed)
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The first 3 notes also match the original Batman theme