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1 hour ago, Chen G. said:
I used to think so, too. But there's reason to believe Marcia did more work on the edit that the recent making-ofs credit to her. Earlier making-of books refer to her as the main editor of the film, and I think she worked on the edit for eight weeks straight which is considerable.
What changed your mind?
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10 minutes ago, Chen G. said:
Its in the script that way. Lucas was convinced by a friend to include scenes of Luke's daily life, but only reluctantly so. If memory serves, Marcia actually lobbied to keep those scenes IN: I know she did the Jabba scene.
Marcia Lucas is scarcely the "saviour of Star Wars" that she's often said to be.
Yep and the reason she lobbied to keep those scenes in was most likely because those (and the trench run) were basically the only ones she worked on before leaving the project
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10 minutes ago, Holko said:
Actually I'm very excited to have the center channel in many right channels instead of just one right channel!
That is actually a good point it'd probably be possible to make a proper downmix from this release instead of the utter trash that was the 2018 stereo mix
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On 04/08/2017 at 9:28 AM, CGCJ said:
Doctor Who (2005-) - Murray Gold
Source: Old interview, Doctor Who Confidential, GitF leak, Series 4 soundtrack booklet & ASCAP & SACM Repertoires
Series 1
Series 2
Series 3
Series 4
The Specials
Series 5
Series 6
Series 7
The Day of the Doctor
Series 8
Just curious where did all of the cue numbers for these seasons come from? I tried looking through some of the sources you mentioned but I couldn't find them. Only the interview and the gitf leak had any that I saw, granted I don't have access to the season 4 booklet. I find it hard to believe they all came from DW Confidential but I couldn't find anything like what you listed in the copyright databases.
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Something else I just thought of when reading some of Chen's posts, I'm not sure if anyone here knew this but it's actually been discovered that the originally pitched story outline for Star Wars was almost entirely plagiarized from the novel A Fighting Man of Mars
There's a really interesting blog about it here: https://medium.com/@Oozer3993/everything-known-about-the-journal-of-the-whills-outline-d8db1f1410eaGeorge Lucas' outline:
SpoilerThis is the story of Mace Windy, a revered Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, as related to us by C.J. Thorpe, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi.
I am Chuiee Two Thorpe of Kissel. My father is Han Dardell Thorpe, chief pilot of the renown galactic cruiser Tarnack. As a family we were not rich, except in honor, and valuing this above all mundane possessions, I chose the profession of my father, rather than a more profitable career. I was 16 I believe, and pilot of the trawler Balmung, when my ambitions demanded that I enter the exalted Intersystems Academy to train as a potential Jedi-Templer. It is here that I became padawaan learner to the great Mace Windy, highest of all the Jedi-bendu masters, and at that time, Warlord to the Chairman of the Alliance of Independent Systems.
Never shall I forget the occasion upon which I first set eyes upon Mace Windy. It was at the great feast of the Pleabs. There were gathered under one roof, the most powerful warriors in the Galaxy, and although I realize my adoration of the Master might easily influence my memory, when he entered the hall, these great and noble Warlords fell silent. It was said he was the most gifted and powerful man in the Independent Systems. Some felt he was even more powerful than the Imperial leader of the Galactic Empire.
The novel he copied from:
SpoilerThis is the story of Hadron of Hastor, Fighting Man of Mars, as narrated by him to Ulysses Paxton:
I am Tan Hadron of Hastor, my father is Had Urtur, Odwar of the 1st Umak of the Troops of Hastor. He commands the largest ship of war that Hastor has ever contributed to the navy of Helium, accommodating as it does the entire ten thousand men of the 1st Umak, together with five hundred lesser fighting ships and all the paraphernalia of war. My mother is a princess of Gathol.
As a family we are not rich except in honor, and, valuing this above all mundane possessions, I chose the profession of my father rather than a more profitable career. The better to further my ambition I came to the capital of the empire of Helium and took service in the troops of Tardos Mors, Jeddak of Helium, that I might be nearer the great John Carter, Warlord of Mars.
Never shall I forget the occasion upon which I first laid eyes upon Sanoma Tora. It was upon the occasion of a great feast at the marble palace of The Warlord. There were gathered under one roof the most beautiful women of Barsoom, where, notwithstanding the gorgeous and radiant beauty of Dejah Thoris, Tara of Helium and Thuvid of Ptarth, the pulchritude of Sanoma Tora was such as to arrest attention.
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36 minutes ago, Datameister said:
Yeah, it does seem pretty out of character for her to reassure him that slaughtering a whole village is "nobody's perfect" territory.
Wasn't that entire line added after the movie had come out already?
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The runtimes for the OT can also be determined from the Special Edition releases - ESB and ROTJ aren't completely accurate because there is a tiny amount of music missing from both of them, but these are approximately accurate:
A New Hope - 91 minutesThe Empire Strikes Back - 125 minutes
Return of the Jedi - 148 minutes
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1 hour ago, QuartalHarmony said:We don’t need him here - surely we all know that Sabrina is an allegory for all of Star Wars. If you watch it in the right way. With the right books.
Sabrina being an allegory for Star Wars was planned from the beginning: "Sabrina" is actually an anagram for "Lightsaber". You just have to duplicate and flip the r, extend the n, rotate the b, duplicate and cross the i, duplicate the s, and flip one a. These changed letters of course spell "brains", a reference to the immense intelligence you need to discover the truth
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I like Song For Ten - but the version in the episode is miles better than the album version I wish it wasn't rerecorded
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2 hours ago, Edmilson said:
Ke Huy Quan Shuts Down ‘Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny’ Cameo Rumor
"I've joked about it all the time," Quan said of reprising Short Round from "Temple of Doom."
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52 minutes ago, TBO1711 said:
Oswin Pond can tell me where in the article it says Murray Gold is releasing Series 10 soundtrack
It's the part in the bottom left of the 5th page that says TEN COMMANDMENT
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1 hour ago, Jay said:
Oh, I getcha!
The Film Version is basically just an edit of the full song recorded (that went on the album), anyway
It's not like Home Alone where the album version and film version were completely different recordings
oh wow so is it possible to completely replicate the film version with the album version?
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Murray Gold's work on s1-10 of Doctor Who might be some of my favorite music ever outside of Star Wars. I've always wanted to do a proper thematic analysis of it, I wish more was officially released.
Very glad to see he's coming back!
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1 minute ago, Jay said:
Mike Matessino has revealed that the film version of Moonlight will not be included in the FSM thread.
Hopefully it includes the film version of Moonlight by Sting. It was only available on a 2 track promo CD
https://www.discogs.com/release/1948278-Sting-Moonlight
UMG has no sublicensing rights for that version, sorry to say.
At least it's released somewhere
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3 hours ago, Chen G. said:
I just happened to do some research on this. The "treatments" in question do not date from the 1970s - Rinzler's exhaustive research has dug up next to nothing about any "plans" for a sequel trilogy. One could make the ex silentio argument that, at the time, the idea of a sequel trilogy existed only as a publicity stunt.
Rather, the "treatments" date from 2012, and comprise of a short outline of Lucas that was extended into a treatment (strictly speaking, for Episode VII) by Michael Arndt, and was being worked on well into 2013, including roping-in the legacy cast, hiring Kasdan and Abrams and producing a considerable amount of concept art - all done with Lucas still onboard.
And yes, Lucas has special pleading in saying his story was rejected: it wasn't. At least, not entirely: the basic outline of a young girl from a backwaters planet and her sidekick setting on a quest to find a reclusive Luke Skywalker all while being menaced by a "Jedi Killer" was all Lucas' idea. Nevertheless, Lucas felt enough of his ideas were discarded (with Rey's sidekick turning into a deserting Stormtrooper, Starkiller Base being added and Kylo being temporarily rejected as being Han's son) for him to decide to part ways with the filmmakers.
Any stories by Lucas about what he would have done with the sequel trilogy date from after The Last Jedi came out, and should be treated with the appropriate degree of conjecture: there's no evidence his alledged stories about the Whills or the criminal underworld of the New republic were what was being worked out in 2013: the latter in particular seems to derive from an earlier idea for a live-action Star Wars show that he worked on after Revenge of the Sith.
The degree to which his outline prefigured events for Episode VIII and IX is also in contention: there's a reason almost everything we know of his treatment pertains to Episode VII. I'm sure the outline contained some leads as to where the story will go next, but it was in all likelihood concentrated on getting Episode VII off of the ground.
There's a brilliant breakdown of the situation here: https://medium.com/@Oozer3993/why-did-george-lucas-say-his-ideas-for-episode-vii-were-abandoned-93ebb2437b4c
There's also a great video on the subject too
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15 hours ago, Hego-Damask-II said:
Ah yes, the fellow who always reminds me vaguely of Aaron Douglas.
I thought I was the only one
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47 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:
Clone Wars. Season 1 and 2 had very little original material. Unlike Rebels it was almost all non-Williams music they were using though, whereas Rebels was pretty much overly temped with Williams material.
TCW was temped so heavily they even mentioned it on the DVD featurette (for the film). I've never once heard any other film openly mention using music from other films before.
Do you have examples of this? I'd be very curious to see them all documented
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3 hours ago, A Farewell to Kings said:
Not to mention it's the concert version, not the film version...
Yeah I read the post and I saw the "pdf of Williams original score" and I was like oh? Someone not on jwfan has the sheet music? And then I read two comments later and was incredibly disappointed to see it was just the Hal Leonard
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5 hours ago, Drew said:
Eh, I’m getting tired of Kiner. He has a monopoly on the Dave Filoni stuff. He’s not a bad composer but there’s been a massive drop in quality since his early Clone Wars stuff. I want more “Battle of Christophsis” type cues out of him. And the fact that everyone ignores the nepotism of his two sons ghostwriting a lot of the music is shocking.
I think the exact opposite of this. I do quite like a lot of the early Clone Wars stuff, especially when it was experimentative and tried to go in a new direction. The different cultural instruments for different planets, the techno/electronic stuff.
The weaker stuff early on in my opinion, was the orchestral material. Early Kiner sounded nothing like Williams and the episodes where he wasn't trying to generally had the better scores.
However I think more recently Kiner and co. have been getting much better at the orchestral stuff, I agree with a lot of the praise TBB S2 has been getting
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17 minutes ago, HunterTech said:
Which again is why having a Clone Wars like show for the ST probably would be the way to go, since presumably they could just hire the Lego Skywalker Saga VAs for it and not have to worry about getting everyone back for it.
This already exists but everyone's forgotten about it
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2 minutes ago, Jay said:
I mean, just look at @BrotherSound 's post to learn that, that's kind of the point here
I wasn't sure if the * and ** were only referring to music not on the OST or music not on either
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2 hours ago, crumbs said:
It's so heartbreaking that Tintin falls under the new AFM rules, making it effectively inaccessible to the labels. I'd love to hear this score expanded!
How much is still unreleased after the FYC?
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Just now, Manakin Skywalker said:
On the other hand the instrumental was never used, or even intended to ever be used
I agree it was never intended to be used, but I thought it was actually used in the final cut?
When I did my ultimate edition breakdown I notated it down at least:
Sony Classical to release Ultimate Star Wars Soundtrack Collection (January 8, 2016)
in JOHN WILLIAMS
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This might be old news, but has anyone here ever seen this?
I'd never heard of it until I was listening to one of the later Star Wars Oxygen episodes where it was mentioned - Shawn Murphy gives a lot of information in here about what masters exist and potential excuses for why expansions haven't been made yet.
One especially shocking part that was played on Oxygen was where he claimed that there's music where the original session masters don't exist because they were edited to picture almost immediately after recording