John Crichton 4 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I think he meant non-JW Star Wars.I'll second everything about the Clone Wars: generic, forgettable, overrun with ethnic and rock influences. Makes me pine for The Force Unleashed that much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 And really in the bussiness for Lucasfilm, what is going to sell more, 2cd editions of the prequels and indy scores or this 'bastard' child of SW score?Because the child got released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Be carefull Luke, you are being critical of Lucasfilm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 And you are Sith Lord? Part-time (side joke)Man it's time I steal than mantle from You As far as i am concerned, Lucas has raped my Star Wars musical experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 The first track sounds like Hans Zimmer's shot at the Star Wars main title. In other words, a personal nightmare.Hmm, maybe I should get the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 And you are Sith Lord? Part-time (side joke)Man it's time I steal than mantle from You As far as i am concerned, Lucas has raped my Star Wars musical experience.Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 You are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 535 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 why couldnt williams do it TOO EXPENSIVE???or McNeely! I love his SOTE so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Williams was not interested in doing SOTE, I'm guessing it was the same for Clone wars, though I doubt he was even asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Mcneely, Giacchino, Griskey...Sometimes i feel they dont do things right because they are too lazy to ask or think the other people are not interested. And the people interested may be shy and not offer themselves...I think giacchino said to erik that he would love to do an Indy or Star Wars score for a videogame but was never been asked.Clone wars was perfect for him. It was a movie, he does movies now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Around the 2002 Williams was already tired of these... animated films.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I dont see that in ROTS but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I think Lucas wanted a different sound from the startand I always thought that Williams was uhmm somehow dissapointed that he wasnt asked to compose the soundtrack for SOTE.. McNeely had to write it in about 10 days I think he said in an interview .. in the sparetime between two other projectsand I think that Episode I has a heart.. and Williams had a great time writing the score.. you can hear it.I can only imagine that he was personally rather uninspired by Episode II and he wasn't very exited about it .. on Episode III he absolutely got hooked up again.. not as strong as with Episode I but it is a much better and much more inspired score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Then maybe I should ask John what's the secret for getting hooked up on Episode III ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Then maybe I should ask John what's the secret for getting hooked up on Episode III ...easy:just listening to anakins betrayal or anakins dark deeds.. or the battle over corouscant (complete version) or fighting grievous or the complete 10 minutes of the final battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Speaking of RotS, I just saw the "Anakin's Dark Deeds" scene...man, that is one awesome scene, with awesome music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Listening to Revenge of the Sith is like hanging out with that overbearing friend who talks too much and constantly bothers you with her stupid, angsty problems and self pitying attitude, but sometimes has a sense of humor and is really nice. I mean, you kind of have to like her. But at the same time you don't have much respect for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 So...you feel like an effort was made, but the final quality of the score sucked with a couple exceptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 It's a guilty pleasure, not much more. A few cues are pretty inspired, like "Anakin's Dream." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Wouldn't it be the other way around?Wouldn't a guilty pleasure be a friend who's really fun to hang out with, but is a real jerk? Because then despite the fact that you know that he/she is a bad person, you still enjoy spending time with him/her, the same way you know RotS is a bad score but you still enjoy listening to it?As opposed to the nice friend who you hate spending time with, but you know is a good person, which is like a poorly written score that you know is a bad one, but you still enjoy listening to it?Or am I over analyzing this a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Wouldn't it be the other way around?Wouldn't a guilty pleasure be a friend who's really fun to hang out with, but is a real jerk? Because then despite the fact that you know that he/she is a bad person, you still enjoy spending time with him/her, the same way you know RotS is a bad score but you still enjoy listening to it?As opposed to the nice friend who you hate spending time with, but you know is a good person, which is like a poorly written score that you know is a bad one, but you still enjoy listening to it?Or am I over analyzing this a bit? Actually, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 It's great to have friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I always thought that Williams was uhmm somehow dissapointed that he wasnt asked to compose the soundtrack for SOTE..I think that is a common false rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I always thought that Williams was uhmm somehow dissapointed that he wasnt asked to compose the soundtrack for SOTE..I think that is a common false rumour.More like fanboy wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I believe in an interview he expressed dissapointment the project went ahead even though he'd refused to do it. Though he was carefull not to critisize McNeely of the music he'd written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think it is a debunked rumour.On another matter:clickStar Wars: The Clone WarsOpens Friday, August 15, 2008 | Runtime:1 hr. 30 min.As I said, typical cartoon film runtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think it is a debunked rumour.On another matter:clickStar Wars: The Clone WarsOpens Friday, August 15, 2008 | Runtime:1 hr. 30 min.As I said, typical cartoon film runtime.It's also roughly the runtime of four half-hour TV episodes . . . which is what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 It's also roughly the runtime of four half-hour TV episodes . . . which is what this is.3 episodes....mmm they said it was four..then maybe its 2 hour afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I am wondering...will cringing I be when roll do the opening credits? Meditate on this I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Aren't you the guy who worships everything made by George Lucas? I guess you'll have to love the opening credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 It's also roughly the runtime of four half-hour TV episodes . . . which is what this is.3 episodes....mmm they said it was four..then maybe its 2 hour afterall.No, no . . . once you remove the commercials from a half-hour tv show, you're left with about 22 minutes. Multiply that by four, and you get roughly an hour and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Aren't you the guy who worships everything made by George Lucas? I guess you'll have to love the opening credits.That could also describe me.And now look at Steef's signature.It's also roughly the runtime of four half-hour TV episodes . . . which is what this is.3 episodes....mmm they said it was four..then maybe its 2 hour afterall.No, no . . . once you remove the commercials from a half-hour tv show, you're left with about 22 minutes. Multiply that by four, and you get roughly an hour and a half.Ah ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Aren't you the guy who worships everything made by George Lucas? I guess you'll have to love the opening credits.Yes, I'm one of them. Still, I fear my visit to the movie theater later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I listened to the music. It sounds more like Silvestri's Beowulf than Star Wars, but it's not as bad and flat as I expected. Definitely not like some of the MV scores, even though there is a small rip of Hans's Black Hawk Down (since I like that one, I don't mind it too much). Still, it's a mediocre score, like most of what is on the market thesedays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I did not like the more "tribal" arrangement of John William's theme, and the electric guitar does not bode well for the film. I will see it, nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have just seen the movie, and while I've got a few things to complain about (see below), I mostly loved it.THE BAD NEWS:(1) The score doesn't play very well in the movie. As it turns out, it doesn't much matter (not to me, at least), but it's still a disappointment. There IS substantial use of the electric guitar, by the way. It's mostly in the background of battle scenes, and Kiner manages to make it even more inappropriate than Williams did. I didn't mind it too much in Attack of the Clones, but here it's not very good at all. It's not foregrounded, though, so let's be thankful for that.(2) Some -- some -- of the dialogue is infantile. Asoka calling Anakin "Skyguy" and R2 "Artooie" is the worst of it. And that sucks. On the other hand, it only happens a few times, and is a very minor element of the movie. A lot of people will go nuts with bichery over this. One of my friends did. I would tell these people to chill out and pay attention to (most of) the rest of the movie.(3) There is a gangster character who pops up near the end who is almost as bad as Boss Nass. He really and truly sucks. At least, the decisions made with the character's voice-over suck. The character himself is okay, and (again, and thankfully) minor, so it doesn't really hurt the movie.(4) The replacement for the traditional title crawl is horrible. It's a voice-over in the style of WWII-era newsreels, and it does not work AT ALL. In fact, it's embarassing. It's fairly brief, and there is some cool stuff happening underneath it, but it's a big misstep, and hopefully not one that is going to be a permanent fixture of the series. I don't mind there not being a crawl, but surely somebody could have thought of something better than this.THE GOOD NEWS:(1) The animation is terrific. You may or may not like the character designs, but either way, I think you'll get used to them fairly quickly; they move very convincingly, but not too convincingly. This is what good "realistic" animation ought to be: it doesn't go too far into Uncanny Valley, but has enough realism that it allows the eye to accept what it's seeing. Considering that this was animated with television in mind, it's a pretty awesome achievement.(2) The battle scenes are plentiful, and they're good, and they're extremely well-animated. Happily, there is very little of the tendency the previous Clone Wars series had to go into weird flights of superhuman fancy. The Jedi are still superheros, but they've got their limits, and there's nothing here that wouldn't have fit into the prequels, storywise.(3) The story works for me. It's kinda slam-bang action, with a dash of political intrigue, but it works. And it doesn't particularly feel like it's just four episodes strung haphazardly together. It follows a single plot -- the kidnapping of Jabba the Hutt's son, and the attempts by the Jedi to rescue him -- and feels pretty seamless.(4) Battle droids. Lots of dumb-ass battle droids. They're usually good for a chuckle, and they get several good ones in this movie.(5) Asoka. A lot of people are going to hate this character, but I grew to like her quite a bit during the course of the movie.(6) Ventress. She's a bad-ass. And she's kinda hot, in that weird way that animated characters can be hot. Or is that just me that that happens to? Heh heh, um...This is probably not for people who hated the prequels, but some of you who were at least somewhat lenient on that subject might want to check it out if you've got nothing better to do this weekend. Who knows, you might have a good time.For the people who liked the prequels, it's a no-brainer. I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't like this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 For the people who liked the prequels, it's a no-brainer. I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't like this movie.The score...Nevertheless I think I wil like it, if I can exorcise the score in mi mind...I knew the opening was not going to work, and i think its going to be the same in the TV series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I watched only the preview and it looked quite good, still I lost my interest in Star Wars enough not to go to the theatre for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hey.. I just got back from the Premiere.. and again I have to say:I enjoyed this much more than Indy IV!and why? because again, I didn't expect a movie of epic scale. I am not dissapointed atall (well exept for the score on some occasions and one characters voiceover... funny idea but after 5 sentences just annoying!)I enjoyed it because I stopped taking Star Wars serious since Episode II .. this is clearly meant to be for a younger audience.. 9-14 maybe and some jokes in there are just hilarious over the top funny.. I enjoyed theBattle droidsBryant Burnette really summed it up perfectly..but I can hear people saying. "it's going downhill with star wars"..and then someone will add a clever remark.." it started going downhill with Return of the Jedi"anyone who goes in that movie with a high Star Wars movie expectation..should rethink his philosophy and focus on what this is.. a nice 90 minutes experience that is kinda cool and has well not sooo much to do with that Star Wars sparkle sprit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 The critics are tearing it a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,064 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 this is clearly meant to be for a younger audience.. 9-14 maybe and some jokes in there are just hilarious over the top funny.. I enjoyed theBattle droidsanyone who goes in that movie with a high Star Wars movie expectation..should rethink his philosophy and focus on what this is..I'm 40 and Star Wars and Empire set the bar rather high as far as quality goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 this is clearly meant to be for a younger audience.. 9-14 maybe and some jokes in there are just hilarious over the top funny.. I enjoyed theBattle droidsanyone who goes in that movie with a high Star Wars movie expectation..should rethink his philosophy and focus on what this is..I'm 40 and Star Wars and Empire set the bar rather high as far as quality goes.If thats the case..and you want to watch it.. just be prepared ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 The critics are tearing it a new one.The new feature-length Star Wars cartoon is so cute that I want to hug it. Tightly. Until it stops breathing. Still, I'm sure I'll enjoy it well enough when it comes to DVD. The micro-series was fun and I'll definitely be watching the new series when it launches in the fall. That is, if it doesn't totally suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I'm glad that the Jedi acrobatics have been toned down, that went way too far in the first Clone Wars series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Just saw it...it was terrible. And I LOVE the prequels.The story was good, the animation was good, and the action was fine (especially the one that took place up the cliff), but that was some of the only good bits.The dialouge sucked, moreso than the previous SW films (which had some good lines, some bad, and some suitable ones). It was cheesy, it was poorly voice acted, and it was boring as hell. I hate the use of "Skyguy," among others. And Yoda's voice sounded out of place and wrong. I hated the comical twist that was added to all the battle droids, it made them seem like blundering idiots. They were no longer mindless machines intent on killing, they were clowns from a circus.I hate the replacement of the title crawl, it sounded like a spoof of a commercial you might find on SNL or some other purposefully corny sketch. And the redone SW march was awful.Dooku cackles at one point, in a moment that rivals Vader's "Noooooooooooooooo," so often quoted by Henry (it was one of the few moments I disliked in RotS).All of this would have been almost excusable if the film was interesting or exciting, but I was bored to death by it. It is by far the worst film of the summer, and the worst SW film that I've seen.*1/2/***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 That almost deterred me from seeing it tuesday...almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Just saw it...it was terrible. And I LOVE the prequels.The story was good, the animation was good, and the action was fine (especially the one that took place up the cliff), but that was some of the only good bits.The dialouge sucked, moreso than the previous SW films (which had some good lines, some bad, and some suitable ones). It was cheesy, it was poorly voice acted, and it was boring as hell. I hate the use of "Skyguy," among others. And Yoda's voice sounded out of place and wrong.I hated the comical twist that was added to all the battle droids, it made them seem like blundering idiots. They were no longer mindless machines intent on killing, they were clowns from a circus.I hate the replacement of the title crawl, it sounded like a spoof of a commercial you might find on SNL or some other purposefully corny sketch. And the redone SW march was awful.Dooku cackles at one point, in a moment that rivals Vader's "Noooooooooooooooo," so often quoted by Henry (it was one of the few moments I disliked in RotS).All of this would have been almost excusable if the film was interesting or exciting, but I was bored to death by it. It is by far the worst film of the summer, and the worst SW film that I've seen.*1/2/*****That's good, indy4. You've taken your first step into a larger world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yeah, it feels pretty cool to finally agree with the criticism this film has and will recieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Well, I guess I'm crazy. I liked this movie, but it appears that I may well be the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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