Seth 67 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Star Trek: TMP is the only Goldsmith score I have. Where should I go after that? I've seen Patton and Tora! Tora! Tora! and liked them in the film, but are they the same on album? I'm not sure I would like his predominantly electronic music right now, so I think I would prefer recommendations for the more orchestral works at first. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The Omen or Poltergeist would be two good scores to continue with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The Omen or Poltergeist would be two good scores to continue with.I'd save those until you've fully attenuated your ears to Goldsmith...Until then...next up...Star Trek V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarbas 1 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Rudy, The Ghost and the Darkness, Papillon, Rambo 2 are very orchestral works! Poltergeist is an amazing score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The Mummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,061 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Air Force OneThe Final ConflictIslands In The StreamThe Wind And The LionAlienThe Blue MaxPapillion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 First KnightOne of my first scores and still a favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Star Trek First Contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I second Rudy, an easy score to get into but also good enough to sustain your interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Supergirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Total RecallNeil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I'll second The Wind and the Lion.Ozzel - who is taking notes because his Goldsmith collection is far too small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Great starter scores:Action: Total RecallPopcorn action: The MummyAction horror: PoltergeistCreepy horror: AlienDark, brooding horror: The Omen, Damien: Omen IIWonder, bombast and evil: The Final ConflictLyrical and feel-good action: RudyAirplanes and war action: The Blue MaxFlying: Night CrossingFun and adventure: The Great Train RobberyOff-beat action comedy: Gremlins 2Light comedy: Fierce Creatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I started with Golsmith by getting all his Trek scores, I'd reccomend the same approach to get familiar with his sound. After that, you can't go wrong with Patton. And The Mummy is good late Goldsmith action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Masada, The Russia House and Under Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Twilight Zone: The MovieThe Final ConflictThe ShadowLegendLionheartBasic Instinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I'm not sure I would like his predominantly electronic music right now, so I think I would prefer recommendations for the more orchestral works at first.I reccomend:RunawayAlien NationThe Lonely GuyS*P*Y*Sand Tron.Wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 These recommendations are sending him all over the place. Lets keep it simple.I started with Golsmith by getting all his Trek scores, I'd reccomend the same approach to get familiar with his sound.There you go.So your list should be:Star Trek V: The Final FrontierStar Trek First ContactStar Trek InsurrectionStar Trek Nemesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Listen to John Crichton. Stick with Star Trek at first.Go with ST V next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Air Force One, Rudy, The Mummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,799 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I would suggest mulan, The 13th Warrior (much better than the mummy that is not bad but the complete score suffers from some repetition/tracking?), Alien... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Timeline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 So your list should be:Star Trek V: The Final FrontierStar Trek First ContactStar Trek InsurrectionStar Trek NemesisNemesis is, in my opinion, perhaps the weakest of the Trek scores (and not just the Goldsmith ones). Insurrection is great, but only in its complete form.I'd think it more wise to branch out a bit, there's much more to Goldsmith than "just" Trek music (even though that's somewhat varied, too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Well, branching out after you become familiar with the composer with some of his more accessible scores yes. Diving from the first score of his you listened to something like Total Recall would be quite a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The Omen is a perfectly valid point to continue at after TMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,061 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Personally I think my list above makes much more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Oh yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Well, branching out after you become familiar with the composer with some of his more accessible scores yes. Diving from the first score of his you listened to something like Total Recall would be quite a shock.Not if you want action music. Which is my I categorised my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Guys, isn't good music good music regardless of how you encounter it? The idea that one needs to somehow ease his way into liking Goldsmith music . . . that seems odd to me. And frankly, compared to ST:TMP, the rest of his Trek scores are weak stuff. Not bad, but huge steps down from his first Trek music, in my opinion. So following up ST:TMP with the other Trek scores seems like a bad idea to me.I'm not an expert on the subject of Goldsmith, by any means, but (aside from the luminous Star Trek: The Motion Picture, of course) my favorite scores of his are music that, in my opinion, speaks for itself: Poltergeist, Planet of the Apes, Chinatown, and Mulan (which also has good non-Goldsmith songs). That said, if you've not seen those movies, you might consider doing that first; they're all good, especially Chinatown, which is awesome.I'd say an even better bet would be to find a copy of the CD Jerry Goldsmith: Frontiers, which has music from various of his sci-fi scores like Logan's Run and The Illustrated Man. It'll give you a good sampling of his work.Say this reminds me: I need to develop a Goldsmith obsession! I've been threatening to do that for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Patton, Capricorne one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Say this reminds me: I need to develop a Goldsmith obsession! I've been threatening to do that for years.After you've completed the Goldsmith fanboy journey, you'll enter the ascended esoteric realm of James Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Planet of the Apes (1968).I see someone's using my copyrighted image again. Alma dear, dial M for me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Ack! That whole time I thought it was Hitch talking! Hitchcock avatars need to have a password protect so there's no confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I have not a shadow of a doubt that to catch this notorious avatar thief, Hitch will hang him over his family plot with rope from a rear window to sabotage his vertigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Say this reminds me: I need to develop a Goldsmith obsession! I've been threatening to do that for years.After you've completed the Goldsmith fanboy journey, you'll enter the ascended esoteric realm of James Horner.Not a chance. I got over Horner about a decade ago. (I still love Wrath of Khan and Krull, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,061 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Most wise people gave up on Horner 10-15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Guys, isn't good music good music regardless of how you encounter it? The idea that one needs to somehow ease his way into liking Goldsmith music . . . that seems odd to me.Sometimes a period in which you acclimate yourself to the composer's vocabulary and syntax is necessary. If you start off with scores that tend to be more readily accessible, it may be easier to appreciate the more challenging music. Also, some scores are arguably more representative of a composer's canon than other works. In the case of Williams, after Harry Potter, for instance, it might be wiser to refer someone to Hook or to Star Wars than to, say, Images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Most wise people gave up on Horner 10-15 years ago.Apart from myself and Drax that is...we will continue to support James Horner till our dying days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Dang, he's taking your image and bashing Horner. You gonna take that lying down, Hitch? As far as actual recommendations, although I do need to better familiarize myself with Goldsmith, I can definitely recommend Patton (the release of the original recordings from FSM is hard to get a hold of for a reasonable price now, I understand), Alien, The Wind and the Lion, and Rudy. All are fairly accessible--even Alien makes sense in its more out-there moments, and certainly has enough "normal" music to be worth it--"Main Title," "Hyper Sleep," "The Landing", "Out the Door," and "End Credits" would be the standouts in that vein, I would say. But the more avant garde or exotic cues are still quite interesting, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 655 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Dang, he's taking your image and bashing Horner. You gonna take that lying down, Hitch?No Horner-bashing implied. He still does good stuff -- witness Apocalypto, and even The Spiderwick Chronicles. I just haven't felt the need to buy any of his CDs in quite some time. Titanic was probably the last one.As for the alleged image-stealing, isn't this where you can find the person I supposedly stole the image from:http://www.links2love.com/date_doctor_dating_help.htmHeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 By the way I bought the Krull DVD (inexpensive). It almost destroyed my Krull listening athmosphere. I thought the film would be very good judging by the music. Do not watch it, heed my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 If you've got Star Treks II and III and Willow, you've got pretty much everything you need from Horner.John- still not much of a Krull fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,061 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 That's because you haven't had the 2 disc set pounded into your brain yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I've had it for a while (the 2 disc boot) but only listened to it once and was really underwhelemed. I'll give another chance one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,061 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 There was a boot for Krull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Oh, was it an official release? Sheesh, at this point I just automatically assume those things are boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 According to myth, the Krull 2 cd set (Super Tracks STCE 01/02) is indeed a bootleg. But don't let that put you off from listening to or buying one of the greatest fantasy film scores of all time. Long live James Horner and all those who sail on jim...him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I was thinking about purchasing "Timeline," but I don't know too much about Goldsmith's score. Can anyone share any details about the score?Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 download the theme to the Waltons, next to the themes for Lost In Space, that is the best TV theme ever, so much going on. Do not listen to his awful recreations for orchestra, they are an abomination, but the original theme and end titles are terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I was thinking about purchasing "Timeline," but I don't know too much about Goldsmith's score. Can anyone share any details about the score?Ted Some people love it. I don't quite understand those people. I find it to be just another Goldsmith historical-action score, and the least of all the ones I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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