Hal Leonard Signature Editions

[mrbellamy 7,276]

Maybe that's what took so long 

[DangerMotif 1,275]

I wish We Go Together would have been included 

[DangerMotif 1,275]

[Jay 42,355]

Interesting!

[SilverTrumpet 645]

You’ll never believe it! 
 

 

[ricsim88 314]

11 hours ago, SilverTrumpet said:

You’ll never believe it! 
 

 

Where from?

 

[filmmusic 2,605]

What pieces does it include?

[SilverTrumpet 645]

3 hours ago, ricsim88 said:

Where from?

 

 

https://www.jwpepper.com/11523048.item

 

3 hours ago, filmmusic said:

What pieces does it include?

 

It has The Rise of Skywalker, Psalm of the Sith, Rey and Ben, and Speeder Chase. 

[MovieMusicMaestro 38]

I cannot find it at halleonard.com and at sheetmusicplus.com.

[Tom 5,590]

2 hours ago, MovieMusicMaestro said:

I cannot find it at halleonard.com and at sheetmusicplus.com.

It was limited to just the one copy.  

[Jay 42,355]

Another copy found in the wild

 

Spoiler

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/904229429654872/posts/7191941554216930/

[ricsim88 314]

Thanks for reminding me to check Sheetmusic plus for it. And finally it was there, so I ordered a copy.

 

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/en/product/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-suite-for-orchestra-deluxe-score-22621443.html

 

[Jay 42,355]

Nice

[NewBlueEyes 34]

Since there's a suite for the rise of skywalker, which signature edition study should be next?

 

A) Soundings

B) tributes (for seiji)

C) suite from the fabelmans

D) Helena's theme and others from Indiana Jones trilogy

[ricsim88 314]

I would put money on Helena’s theme.

[WilliamsStarShip2282 326]

The concert pieces are actually in the HL rental library, but as of fall 2022 (when I emailed them to ask about it) they only have the "solo with orchestra" works, which had a lot but not all of them, including Highwood. You can rent the full score from them for 100 bucks, but you may need to have a reason for it I can't remember. Scherzo for piano was not included at that time, and neither the second violin concerto, but the first was. The cello concerto and elegy were also included, but no heartwood. no clarinet concerto either actually.

[NewBlueEyes 34]

I'm surprised that the suite from the reivers, with narrator and orchestra for the signature edition. That would have been interesting for story listeners and symphony lovers

[Tom 5,590]

Both Of Grit and Glory and Obi Wan now have signature editions.  

[DangerMotif 1,275]

Really happy to hear

just need a Dial Of Destiny suite now

[Tom 5,590]

One odd thing, on the length of the pieces, Of Grit makes sense at 3:50, but Obi-Wan says 3:00.  That is a full minute shorter than the original piece.  I wonder if that is a mistake or Williams cut out a sizeable chunk.  

[KingPin 233]

On 20/2/2024 at 3:44 AM, ricsim88 said:

I would put money on Helena’s theme.

Ask and you shall receive: https://www.halleonard.com/product/4493059/helenas-theme-deluxe-score

[bollemanneke 3,999]

1 hour ago, KingPin said:

Ask and you shall receive: https://www.halleonard.com/product/4493059/helenas-theme-deluxe-score

In that case I will ask HL again if they can start selling these scores in MIDI.

[BB-8 4,954]

Btw, what's a "Deluxe Score"?

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Just means it hasn't got individual parts, I think.

[That_Bloke 166]

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

Btw, what's a "Deluxe Score"?

This format has many names:

- partitura,

- full score,

- orchestral score,

- conductor('s) score, and

- open score.

 

"Deluxe score" is used mainly for marketing/retail purposes.

 

It's the music score that shows what each instrument plays throughout the piece. Each instrument, or instrumental group, is given its own stave (set of 5 horizontal lines). In this way the conductor can see who's playing what and when during the piece.

 

This format differs from "reduced score", or "piano reduction" format, where all the orchestra parts have been compressed / reduced / whittled down to a format that can be played on a single piano, or single piano plus another instrument.   

 

 

[BB-8 4,954]

1 hour ago, That_Bloke said:

This format has many names:

- partitura,

- full score,

- orchestral score,

- conductor('s) score, and

- open score.

 

"Deluxe score" is used mainly for marketing/retail purposes.

 

It's the music score that shows what each instrument plays throughout the piece. Each instrument, or instrumental group, is given its own stave (set of 5 horizontal lines). In this way the conductor can see who's playing what and when during the piece.

 

This format differs from "reduced score", or "piano reduction" format, where all the orchestra parts have been compressed / reduced / whittled down to a format that can be played on a single piano, or single piano plus another instrument.   

 

 

Ah, so it's just a normal full score.

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Where do you get these as a European without getting customs nonsense?

[JWScores 73]

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

Ah, so it's just a normal full score.

 

Yes, but in a large format that is meant more for conducting than for studying - in other words, you can buy it alone for studying purposes, but it's exactly the same book that the conductor has on his stand during a performance. I guess "Deluxe" also refers to the fact that it costs about 5 to 10 times (depending on the score) what you would normally want to spend for a similar amount of "normal" sheet music. It should be said that the printing quality is truly good.   

 

56 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Where do you get these as a European without getting customs nonsense?

 

As far as I know, the best way to go is Music Shop Europe (I'm open to other suggestions, if any). Prices will be higher than the Hal Leonard ones, but at least you know what you're paying, and you won't get a surprise when they delivery the score to you.

[BB-8 4,954]

 

So the Deluxe Scores are spiral-bound?

[KingPin 233]

16 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

 

So the Deluxe Scores are spiral-bound?

Yes.

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Has anyone ever tried scanning these and converting them to MIDI? I'd like some feedback before I start investing.

[filmmusic 2,605]

45 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Has anyone ever tried scanning these and converting them to MIDI? I'd like some feedback before I start investing.

Why should anyone do that while we have wonderful recordings?

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Because I'd like to study the scores but can't read the pages, so I'd like to listen to the parts.

[QuartalHarmony 802]

4 hours ago, JWScores said:

the best way to go is Music Shop Europe (I'm open to other suggestions, if any)

I’ve used Presto Music several times for the HL Signature Editions and they’ve been great. They seem to regularly do them on a 25% off offer, which is most welcome.

 

Mark

[ricsim88 314]

I have an extensive list I’m willing to sell. 
Let me know if you’re looking for something specific. 
 

[MovieMusicMaestro 38]

According to Sheet Music Plus, the score of Helena's Theme has 16 pages. Duration: 215 seconds.

[QuartalHarmony 802]

On 17/10/2024 at 6:17 PM, QuartalHarmony said:

They seem to regularly do them on a 25% off offer, which is most welcome.

…and I’ve just realised they have that offer on right now, until the end of November!

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Does Williams include Italian tempo indications and metronome marks in these editions?

[Jesse 81]

16 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Does Williams include Italian tempo indications and metronome marks in these editions?

Yes he does.
For example: Jurassic Park is marked Andante (quarter note=ca. 56) for the Intro before the Strings come in.

[bollemanneke 3,999]

Thanks. I'll need to find someone to make me a list of these.

[DangerMotif 1,275]

I could be wrong but is there actually no Deluxe Score for anything from the AI score?

[QuartalHarmony 802]

3 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Does Williams include Italian tempo indications and metronome marks in these editions?

Yes, though not with complete consistency, now I come to check on it. For example, in Star Wars Suite for Orchestra:

 

Main Title: Italian tempo markings throughout, plus several metronome markings. However, ‘With great force’ in English at b86.

 

but

 

Princess Leia’s Theme: more Italian tempo descriptions, but no metronome markings and all percussion indications are in English (e.g. ‘Vibraphone with soft mallets’ at b29). At b34 A Little Broader is in English rather than the Italian equivalent. 
 

Similarly, in Throne Room, almost all tempo descriptions are Italian, but for A Little More Deliberate at b116.

 

*Shrug*

Not sure there’s much significance in this.

 

Mark

[Jurassic Shark 14,938]

7 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

At b34 A Little Broader is in English rather than the Italian equivalent. 

 

What's the Italian equivalent for this?

[bollemanneke 3,999]

22 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Yes, though not with complete consistency, now I come to check on it. For example, in Star Wars Suite for Orchestra:

 

Main Title: Italian tempo markings throughout, plus several metronome markings. However, ‘With great force’ in English at b86.

 

but

 

Princess Leia’s Theme: more Italian tempo descriptions, but no metronome markings and all percussion indications are in English (e.g. ‘Vibraphone with soft mallets’ at b29). At b34 A Little Broader is in English rather than the Italian equivalent. 
 

Similarly, in Throne Room, almost all tempo descriptions are Italian, but for A Little More Deliberate at b116.

 

*Shrug*

Not sure there’s much significance in this.

 

Mark

Thanks a lot for this. If you are ever in a position to do so, would you mind listing the Italian tempos for the Harry Potter 1 suite (any of the two?) Unless they're scatttererd throughout, of course.

(Another massive thank-you to Hal Leonard for refusing to sell digital copies.)

[Meredith McKay 7,842]

19 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

What's the Italian equivalent for this?

Una piccola donna

 

 

(un po' più ampio, according to Google)

[QuartalHarmony 802]

13 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

What's the Italian equivalent for this?

 

Allargando is usually translating as 'broadening', and is fairly common in scores so would be the most immediately recognizable equivalent. Perhaps (un) poco allargando might capture the idea of 'a little' slightly better.

 

From a musical point of view, I don't recognise either of @Meredith McKay's suggestions.

 

[Jurassic Shark 14,938]

4 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

 

Allargando is usually translating as 'broadening', and is fairly common in musical scores so would be the most immediately recognizable equivalent. Perhaps (un) poco allargando might capture the idea of 'a little' slightly better.

 

 

Thanks for the explanation. And broadening means somewhat slower?

[QuartalHarmony 802]

Crikey, this is turning into a theory lesson...

 

Yes, a combination of slightly slower, plus expand the sound to be more majestic or stately, more consciously emotional.

 

It's a word often associated with Elgar when he's doing his Pomp & Circumstance/Land of Hope & Glory/Throne Room and End Titles thing, if that's more helpful.

[Jurassic Shark 14,938]

10 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Crikey, this is turning into a theory lesson...

 

Just write a book while you're at it.

[QuartalHarmony 802]

Oh, there’s people round here way more qualified than me to do that!

 

I'm little more than a self-taught dilettante.