The Dark Knight 2-CD Special Edition official thread (what a mouthful)

[Corellian2019 386]

Right then.

The topic description pretty much says it all, but I'd also like to mention that come December 9, I hope this thread will be getting a lot more action. Right now all we have to go on is anticipation and excitement, my friends (and my disinterest in the 4 remixes). I've already asked my parents for this set for Christmas and won't be opening it until the 25th (but I WILL be opening other goodies before then , but that's for another thread). Till then, I'd love to hear thoughts, opinions, comments, and reviews about this new set, especially from those of you who listen to it before Christmas.

Now, first order of business: audio samples and track times for the 2nd disc (obviously ). Does anyone have any links or clues to a website that has them?

[Koray Savas 2,251]

This has been discussed in The Dark Knight thread and the HZ Appreciation Thread.

I'm thrilled that you like to go into this much detail about Hans, but this thread will get little to no responses. A lot of the people here have a mindset that Zimmer is utter trash. Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

[Trent B 337]

Welcome to the board, but there was definitely no reason to make a new thread about this. You should have looked before creating a new thread. Hopefully Marc or Neil locks this up.

[indy4 155]

Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

People aren't bashing Zimmer because they think his fans dislike JW. People bash him because they dislike his music.

I for the record, love most of Zimmer's work. I liked most of TDK.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

People aren't bashing Zimmer because they think his fans dislike JW. People bash him because they dislike his music.

I am aware. But there's no need for it. It's like some just can't accept that he's living and breathing and that millions of people actually like his music.

[Ollie 1,059]

If you don't like it you can always go somewhere else.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'd take more pleasure in staying knowing that I may annoy some people.

[Ollie 1,059]

No one said you were annoying.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

That's why I said "may." I'm sure there a couple people here that don't like me.

[indy4 155]

Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

People aren't bashing Zimmer because they think his fans dislike JW. People bash him because they dislike his music.

I am aware. But there's no need for it. It's like some just can't accept that he's living and breathing and that millions of people actually like his music.

Actually the thoughtful criticism of Zimmer can be quite interesting (and refreshing) to read, even if I disagree with it.

The mindless bashing...yes, that is incredibly annoying.

[Delorean90 42]

This has been discussed in The Dark Knight thread and the HZ Appreciation Thread.

I'm thrilled that you like to go into this much detail about Hans, but this thread will get little to no responses. A lot of the people here have a mindset that Zimmer is utter trash. Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

You've never been to IMDB, have you?

[Corellian2019 386]

This has been discussed in The Dark Knight thread and the HZ Appreciation Thread.

I'm thrilled that you like to go into this much detail about Hans, but this thread will get little to no responses. A lot of the people here have a mindset that Zimmer is utter trash. Of course it makes no sense, because no Zimmer fan has ever shown hate for John Williams or others of the like. Maybe just some people are intolerant.

I am aware of the official Dark Knight thread, but I wanted to start my own focusing only on next month's 2-CD release and assessing the cues and whether it really is the complete score, among other things; everything else can be relegated to the other official thread.

@Vosk:

Thank you for welcoming me.

But please refer to my above post to see why I created this thread. It's meant to focus exclusively on the 2-CD set of The Dark Knight.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

This score makes me

[indy4 155]

BB could put me to sleep, easily one of the worst HZ scores ever, one of the worst JNH scores ever, and possibly one of the worst scores ever (though I do enjoy "Molossus").

TDK is much different, though some bits of it are still unlistenable, a majority of it is quite good. I would call it a good soundtrack.

I don't remember what music is missing from the film, perhaps a second viewing would be necessary to determine whether I will buy this expansion.

[Desplat13 1]

Welcome to the board, but there was definitely no reason to make a new thread about this. You should have looked before creating a new thread. Hopefully Marc or Neil locks this up.

Yes, wecome to the forum, and no, there is no reason to lock this thread.

How many Indy4 threads did we have going? This is good because it is a specific place to talk about the 2CD release.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Did JNH even work on this score? I bet his credit was purely a contractual agreement.

In the film, it allk just sounds like Hans.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

That's because it's Zimmer's project, all of his ideas. Nolan asked Zimmer, and then Zimmer went to Howard because they always planned on working together.

In Batman Begins, you can hear what the two composers worked on. Not so much on The Dark Knight. As Howard said, he went into a room by himself to work and then before he knew it he had a bunch of people coming in trying to help out. He got sucked into the Zimmer way.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What a humiliation it must have been for him!

[Koray Savas 2,251]

He seemed to be fine with it, most of his scores are recorded at Remote Control now. He also uses some of their orchestrators.

[Richard Penna 3,696]

Did JNH even work on this score? I bet his credit was purely a contractual agreement.

In the film, it allk just sounds like Hans.

There are at least 3 cues he wrote. I heard he basically handled all the Dent material, and apparently that encompassed 'Harvey Two-Face', 'Blood on my Hands' and 'Watch the World Burn'. The first two of them are fairly standard JNH fare, I thought the third was Zimmer at first.

I'll be downloading the second disc to see if there's any more JNH music that's worth having (I bought the above 3 tracks from 7Digital).

[Ollie 1,059]

Yes, wecome to the forum, and no, there is no reason to lock this thread.

How many Indy4 threads did we have going? This is good because it is a specific place to talk about the 2CD release.

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

May as well have a "Hansy" sub-forum.

[fommes 153]

Analysis and discussion of the old and new music in the upcoming set

Well, I've done a comparison in Audacity between Zimmer's Joker theme and somebody scratching her nails on a blackboard and there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with the pitch!

[Desplat13 1]

Yes, wecome to the forum, and no, there is no reason to lock this thread.

How many Indy4 threads did we have going? This is good because it is a specific place to talk about the 2CD release.

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

There you go, ruining all the little Zimmerites Christmas. You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.

[Greg1138 3]

Analysis and discussion of the old and new music in the upcoming set

Well, I've done a comparison in Audacity between Zimmer's Joker theme and somebody scratching her nails on a blackboard and there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with the pitch!

Oh - and welcome to Corellian, by the way

[Ollie 1,059]

There you go, ruining all the little Zimmerites Christmas. You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.

Yes I've been told I have all the tender sweetness of a seasick crocodile.

[Corellian2019 386]

@ colinthomson and Greg1138: Thanks for welcoming me, guys!

There are at least 3 cues he wrote. I heard he basically handled all the Dent material, and apparently that encompassed 'Harvey Two-Face', 'Blood on my Hands' and 'Watch the World Burn'. The first two of them are fairly standard JNH fare, I thought the third was Zimmer at first.

I'll be sure to check that out.

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

You watch, just for that I'm gonna start a Vangelis thread pretty soon

[MissPadmé 17]

well I really want to have that. I liked the movie and I don't have the regular OST. So I might get it. The music was very effective I really like it.

also the CD looks fantastisch!

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Analysis and discussion of the old and new music in the upcoming set

Well, I've done a comparison in Audacity between Zimmer's Joker theme and somebody scratching her nails on a blackboard and there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with the pitch!

I actually think that might have been the intention.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

If it's a John Williams message board, better then just lock up and delete everything that's not related to John Williams. So no JNH, no Goldsmith, no Horner, no Herrmann, no Rosza, etc. etc. This is a film music forum, that just happens to be centric on a particular composer.

Analysis and discussion of the old and new music in the upcoming set

Well, I've done a comparison in Audacity between Zimmer's Joker theme and somebody scratching her nails on a blackboard and there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with the pitch!

I actually think that might have been the intention.

That would be correct.

[indy4 155]

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

If it's a John Williams message board, better then just lock up and delete everything that's not related to John Williams. So no JNH, no Goldsmith, no Horner, no Herrmann, no Rosza, etc. etc. This is a film music forum, that just happens to be centric on a particular composer.

This is a John Williams forum that just happens to have members that like broader aspects of film music.

[Red 75]

With the price and content of this (first disc just being the OST) this set is dying to be pirated.

[Richard Penna 3,696]

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

If it's a John Williams message board, better then just lock up and delete everything that's not related to John Williams. So no JNH, no Goldsmith, no Horner, no Herrmann, no Rosza, etc. etc. This is a film music forum, that just happens to be centric on a particular composer.

This is a John Williams forum that just happens to have members that like broader aspects of film music.

This is turning into another Zimmer bashing thread...

And there's a simple way to avoid it IMO. If anyone's going to use 'excrutiating noise' anywhere in their next post in this thread... well, Mark put it succinctly:

If you don't like it you can always go somewhere else.

Works both ways Mark.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

This is a John Williams message board, not Hans Zimmer.

We don't have multiple threads for other composers and we sure as hell don't need them for Zimmer.

If it's a John Williams message board, better then just lock up and delete everything that's not related to John Williams. So no JNH, no Goldsmith, no Horner, no Herrmann, no Rosza, etc. etc. This is a film music forum, that just happens to be centric on a particular composer.

This is a John Williams forum that just happens to have members that like broader aspects of film music.

Well considering every member likes broader aspects of film music, why not include them in the description of the forum. It's like the term PMS. It's obsolete, a syndrome means not everyone gets it, but it's a fact that every woman gets it. Therefore, it is PMDD-ing, not PMS-ing.

[Richard Penna 3,696]

We don't have multiple threads for other composers

I think you'll find we do. You just don't like this particular brand.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

does anyone else find it humorous to see the word special associated with the "score"?

[Richard Penna 3,696]

Not really, although obviously it applies a lot better in some cases than others.

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

Eek. I have to say i'm happy this is getting its own thread. I had no idea it was coming out.

But that price....ugh.

[Corellian2019 386]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0...music&img=1

[Richard Penna 3,696]

Meh.

Still can't believe that of all the scores being expanded, it's this. Was it subject to reuse fees?

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I think the ridiculous price is probably going towards those re-use fees.

[Ollie 1,059]

Just remember all of the Titanic related albums that were released, including a second one from Horner, due to that film's popularity.

I would imagine it's the same case with TDK.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

You know, I don't really think it's a great score, but it has gotten a lot of listens in my car's CD player.

For one simple fact: on the highway at night on the drive home from work, it is a fantastic listen.

Seriously, if you have it, I recommend trying it out. At your own risk of course.

[Ollie 1,059]

Eh, I prefer Mark Mancina's Speed for that.

[Richard Penna 3,696]

You like Speed? You enjoy a MV score? Well I'll be damned.

I had a listen to some of the Zimmer tracks. At the ultimate guilty pleasure level, they were a non-offensive background listen, but all the time I wanted the orchestra to do something... anything.. except propelling rhythms and directionless brass anthems. I mean the brass theme in the latter half of Like a Dog Chasing Cars almost reaches something interesting for me, but never quite gets there with the chopping strings etc. The lighter stuff at the end of the track, I admit, is rather cool in a way.

It's a score from which I could probably make a small suite of Zimmer's material, nothing more.

[Vaderbait1 1]

I bashed the score pretty hard when it first came out, but it's grown on me in a shallow, dumb entertainment sort of way. It has a bit of atmosphere.

But the problem was it was too long as it was. Reducing it to...I don't know....four tracks would suffice. But a $50 dollar two-disc set? What could possibly be unreleased other than a few tones?

[Red 75]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0...music&img=1

It has nice presentation, I'll give it that.

[Trent B 337]

Depending on how long this stays around I MIGHT get it.

[Desplat13 1]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0...music&img=1

It has nice presentation, I'll give it that.

Life isn't fair....

[Red 75]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0...music&img=1

It has nice presentation, I'll give it that.

Life isn't fair....

I guess so, but what does that have to do with TDK set? The fact that it's overpriced?