Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It was not as bad as it's being made out to be, but it wasn't great or anything. The fight with the CGI monster was horrendous and obviously the weakest part of the whole thing. Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman wanted to be in a better movie without all this Superman crap. My favorite scenes were the Batman killing spree with automatic weapons and the dream sequence where he shoots guys in the desert. Jeremy Irons was cool. Luthor was actually really good. I wasn't feeling these versions of Supes and Lois. Ugh. The score was horrendous. Visually, it was kind of a huge disappointment. I was expecting better from Snyder. It did drag at points, but that usually happens when these flicks surpass 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Probably needs a 90 minute cut. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 A 90 minute cut of Batman killing people. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Fuck yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Sharky said: I wish they'd bring intermissions and overtures back. Since a few years intermissions are back (in Belgium) and I hate it. People just get refills. Hideous places, that's what they are. 1 hour ago, Drax said: Probably needs a 90 minute cut. The cut will only get longer (a few more violence bits will be added again). 3 hours ago, crocodile said: But what I liked it is that it is more interesting visually, at least for the most part, than Man of Steel. Feels like there is a filmmaker's stamp all over it, even if it might sometimes hurt the film. Karol That's the part of the movie I'm curious about. Surely, it's not hyper stylized as 300 or Watchmen, right? MOS was made to be less artificial (more natural and realistic). I've heard that they would maintain the same style of the first film. OTOH, the filmmaker's stamp is precisely what is encouraged at DC. 5 hours ago, Sharky said: Terrifically shot, staged and scored. Better than MOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Playboy review gives it a quick pounding: http://www.playboy.com/articles/movie-review-batman-v-superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Playboy has reviews? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The review has good points, though I don't personally mind a darker, less funny version of the MCU. It's main problem lies in the whole Batman versus Superman concept. Even though the motivations, build up and actual fight all do work better then expected, it is still a movie that can only ever end in a stalemate. So it's more like a WWE Wrestling match in a way then a true battle between titans. That the real "enemy" then turns out to be a imposing, but completely characterless CGI monster that grows bigger every time you try to blow it up (which they keep trying anyway) doesnt actually help the film. Batman and Superman team up, which is ultimately what you want, but against a foe which just isnt interesting (I never read the comics, so I have no idea if Doomsday is better there). I'm curious to see how Civil War will handle it's very similar premise. They obviously won't have a giant CGI monster appear for it's final act. But pitting one half of the MCU against the other and and having everyone come out friends again is not going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Doomsday is just a relentless killing machine in the comics who doesn't speak and only wants to destroy everything on its path. Superman and Justice League chase him all around the USA and eventually they end up in Metropolis where Superman and Doomsday essentially pound each other to death. His origin is slightly different (no General Zod or anything like that), but there's a Kryptonian connection in there as well. Plus, his origin was revealed some years later and wasn't part of the original storyline. And Luthor had nothing to do with it as Doomsday was created in Krypton (I think). And, as I mentioned in my previous post, it was supposed to be backbone for Tim Burton film in the 1990's. Well, the first half of it anyway. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 That doesnt sound very interesting. If I were to compare BvS to anything in the MCU then I would say structurally it comes closest to Iron Man 2. Which also is a film with several plots jammed into a single film, where the switch from one story line to another often seem arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Back in 2008 to 2010, were people aware that Marvel was building a "shared cinematic universe"? I only became aware of this when I saw Captain America: The First Avenger. I wasn't aware that Thor was part of this "universe" when I saw it initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Well, the best thing about the death of Superman storyline in the comics is what happened in between the final blow and his eventual return maaaany months later. Since it is all relevant to the topic, here is a documentary about the Doomsday comic book event (which was a big thing back then): And here is a long document about the unmade Tim Burton film (pretty cool stuff): Karol Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Johnny Depp as Superman? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Neither Smith's or Burton's visions really look like they would have worked. (Cage as Superman? Depp as Superman?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Cage is just so un-Superman looking, with that slackjawed face, balding head, and his turkey neck. Ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Drax said: Back in 2008 to 2010, were people aware that Marvel was building a "shared cinematic universe"? I only became aware of this when I saw Captain America: The First Avenger. I wasn't aware that Thor was part of this "universe" when I saw it initially. The seeds were sown in 2008, when RDJ appeared in the post-credits scene of The Incredible Hulk. (Would have made more sense for Fury or Coulson to show up, given the circumstance, but RDJ was a much more exciting cameo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Even after the first Iron Man, with that first extra post-credit scene, I assumed they were laying the groundwork, even though I didn't know at the time what the exact plan was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 For me, Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman annihilated the Nolan interpretation. I liked that they delved more into his psyche with nightmares and that he was ultimately a darker, more disturbed guy. They also didn't screw it up with a romance, which I was worried about from the trailers. Batman settling down and getting married in some foreign country is not my Batman. What was that all about? It wasn't perfect, but I blame that on all the Superman crap. The movie basically falls apart after the Batman/Superman brawl, with the exception of Batman kicking ass (which the "no killing" rule alleged long-time comic fanboys have been calling out) and other assorted moments. There's 2/3 of a decent movie with awesome Batman material that was unfortunately constrained by the Superman material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I have no real problem with the Batman killing thing. It's not my preferred Batman, but I enjoy Tim Burton's Batman movies and Nolan's Batman movies, which all employ some murder or at least condoning of murder on Batman's part. But this movie looks like a joyless cartoon fart. I'm hopeful that I'll be surprised when this comes out on Blu-ray, but I'm certainly not paying $12/apiece to see it, even if I could get out of the house and away from my baby for three hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I was never really aware Batman had a "no killing" moral code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It became a big thing in the 70's. Right now, it's a defining trait of the character. Didn't you see Dark Knight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 How is Batman going to combat cunning terrorist organizations operating within the United States without weapons and with a "no killing" rule? Diplomacy? Y'all remember when Christian Bale's Batman stupidly went to confront Bane and his henchman in their stronghold on foot without weapons and got his ass rightfully handed to him? The Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck Batmen would have just blown the place sky high from a remote location and swooped in with a fighter jet to pick off any remaining guys with machine guns and missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The thing is, it was a tramautic, gun point murder that spawned Batman. His contempt for guns and murder would stem from this. It's my prefered version of Batman anyway, and one that features in pretty much all his greatest stories (minus The Killing Joke debate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 That might have flown back then. But in the 21st century, we're dealing with people armed with automatic weapons, chemical weapons, bombs etc. With a "no killing" Batman, Bane's reign of terror happens. I mean, I'm not saying it isn't a valid interpretation of the character, but it's not my preferred one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 At the moment I can not actually recall if Afflecks Batman actually kills anyone outright. Save the guy with the flame thrower i guess. But even that was self defense. It's implied that at this point Batman has become brutal and callous though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He certainly kills people with the Batmobile earlier on. But he becomes especially brutal when he swoops in with the Batwing and starts picking guys off and causing explosions. He then uses their guns against them and stabs a guy with a knife. I estimate he killed around 20-30 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 No wonder Supes thought he was dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Well, didn't Superman destroy Metropolis? What's his deal in this version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He did. Thats why Batman hates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I didn't see Superman destroy anything in Metropolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He and Zod leveled building. Including a Wayne Industies tower! You don't harm Batman's people, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I must have missed the alternate version where Superman joins Zod's team and helps him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 They are all Kryptonians! They look and smell alike! They come here, they refuse to intergrate and disrespect our culture! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Earth will need to build a giant space wall made of Kryptonite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: I was never really aware Batman had a "no killing" moral code. He didn't have one in the original comic books. Plus, this version originates from Frank Miller incarnation of the 1980's. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Those drawings look awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Frank Miller can't draw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Is that from The Dark Knight Returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Indeedie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Yup. Does anybody find it really weird/funny how Superman is sad and/or depressed throughout this film? Or pissed off. I felt really sorry for him, he looked quite miserable. That is why Hans Zimmer's film never appears in its heroic statement, it's just the melancholic piano statements. And you thought Brandon Routh was being mopey. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 10 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Better than MOS? I was talking about MOS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He saves all those lives, yet 'Merica hates him! Ofcourse he is sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I didn't really "get" this version of Superman. He was just kinda like an annoying monotone millennial guy who happened to be Superman. No charisma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: He saves all those lives, yet 'Merica hates him! Ofcourse he is sad So let me summarize Superman's story in this: He is sad and misunderstood and then it gets worse, then he gets his ass kicked repeatedly. And then he dies! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I quite like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The wildly eccentric Armond White, my favourite living film critic, likes it. Quote Fanboys do not own the franchises of Batman and Superman movies, so director Zack Snyder went against the mob and dared to raise the genre to a level of adult sophistication in 2013’s Man of Steel, the most emotionally powerful superhero movie ever made. (Fanboys hated it.) Snyder’s sequel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice adds politics, bringing to the fantasy some contemporary, real-world concerns. This is not conventional comic-book allegory; rather, Snyder uses the figures of Batman (Ben Affleck) and Superman (Henry Cavill) walloping each other to give visible substance to social and moral issues, much as Greek tragedy does. He takes the wildest, Bizarro World fiction — of two superheroes turned super foes — and uses the premise to explicate our current dilemmas concerning power, principles, and divinity. It helps that Snyder is also visionary, inclined to extravagant spectacle and gifted with a signature erotic touch. An early montage equates violence, wealth, loss, and grief through symbolic images of bullets, pearls, blood, and tears. It is witnessed by the young Bruce Wayne, a paranoid orphaned millionaire who misconstrues Superman’s involvement in the previous film’s battle that devastated Metropolis (and traumatized nearby Gotham City), and so he vows a vigilante’s revenge. With its legal-brief title, Batman v Superman reflects the confusion that pits secularists against believers, and the partisanship that inhibits national alliance. This tension is so visually amped up that the opposition of Batman to Superman feels revelatory: Man versus the god in Man. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433246/batman-v-superman-culture-war-gets-mythic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Important question: does WW fight either Batman or Superman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 No. She doesn't really have much of a character. She looks good. There's a nice upskirt shot during her fight scene. But she's just kinda there, helping out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Future movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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