Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 It's inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Alan Silvestri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Silvestri would be great, but he doesn't seem to be doing that much projects these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm still not sure why he was dropped for the Avengers sequel after all the lavish praise Whedon heaped on him for his first score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 minute ago, crumbs said: I'm still not sure why he was dropped for the Avengers sequel after all the lavish praise Whedon heaped on him for his first score. Not epick enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Brad Fiedel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 James Newton-Howard! leeallen01 and JoeinAR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 hour ago, alextrombone94 said: James Newton Howard! One can hope! leeallen01 and JoeinAR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Getting Goldenthal on board would probably be the only thing that would make me look forward to these movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'd actually find it really cool if each film had a different composer, to give these sequels a unique flavour. Avatar just doesn't strike me as a series like Star Wars, needing themes carried over from film to film. I enjoy Horner's score but I also don't think there's anything crucial or iconic (thematically) that simply must be carried over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 9 hours ago, crumbs said: I'm still not sure why he was dropped for the Avengers sequel after all the lavish praise Whedon heaped on him for his first score. Maybe he didn't want to do it? Plus, it seems Whedon was very fond of Danny Elfman's theme (as he mentions his music several times during commentary track), so it's likely Brian Tyler was a studio's choice. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Apparently the Kevin Feige wasn't a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Of? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Maybe he didn't want to do it? Plus, it seems Whedon was very fond of Danny Elfman's theme (as he mentions his music several times during commentary track), so it's likely Brian Tyler was a studio's choice. Karol I would bet Tyler was the studio's choice - there were reports that he was the new voice of Marvel after the new logos, Thor 2, and Iron Man 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Was Tyler actually unavailable for rewrites, or was this more of a dissatisfaction/stealth replacement composer situation, like HGW on Prometheus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 The official story says that post-production and film editing got so frantic in late stages that he couldn't cope. And that the vibe of the entire thing changed and needed other elements. I also heard a rumour there were some scheduling conflicts with Furious 7. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Silvestri probably dodged a bullet there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 10 hours ago, crocodile said: I also heard a rumour there were some scheduling conflicts with Furious 7. Karol He "secretly" scored Furious 7 while working on Avengers 2 and Marvel wasn't happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I probably wouldn't be able to tell the scores apart if I had to do a blind listening test (no Elfman music allowed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 Both of their efforts were undone in the mix anyway. I mean, you can't really ever hear the music properly, save for couple of moments. There is much meddling, tracking as well that it feels pointless to have two composers waste their time. What a waste. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I listened to the Age of Ultron OST yesterday and it was really striking how easily you can tell which tracks are Elfman's and which are Tyler's. There's such a richness in texture, orchestration and musical flare with Elfman's, whereas Tyler's music sounds so harsh and flat, almost mono. Oh, and iTunes tells you the composer's name in the header, which also helps. I reckon Tyler's work from 7 or 8 years ago feels much more inventive and satisfying than most of his modern output. Iron Man 3's end credits are kinda neat, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On 2/3/2016 at 9:09 PM, alextrombone94 said: James Newton-Howard! I can dig it. On 2/3/2016 at 10:45 PM, Romão said: Getting Goldenthal on board would probably be the only thing that would make me look forward to these movies Not gonna happen, but I can dig it. On 2/3/2016 at 4:06 AM, crumbs said: Avatar just doesn't strike me as a series like Star Wars, needing themes carried over from film to film. I enjoy Horner's score but I also don't think there's anything crucial or iconic (thematically) that simply must be carried over. I recall exactly two themes from my theater viewing of the movie, the danger motif and the Glory theme. Not trying to crap on Horner here (a composer I enjoy) just being honest. So in that regard I agree that a new composer coming in could do something completely different and be in fine shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 After watching Good Dinosaur, is it strange to think Mychael Danna might be a dark horse for the assignment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 On 03/02/2016 at 10:17 AM, crumbs said: whereas Tyler's music sounds so harsh and flat, almost mono. That's because his soundtracks are usually brickwalled to shit. It doesn't even sound like an orchestra. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 36 minutes ago, Drax said: That's because his soundtracks are usually brickwalled to shit. It doesn't even sound like an orchestra. Yeah, that mastering does him no favours. It gives me a headache. Hard to believe an actual orchestra was even involved, it's so obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, crumbs said: Yeah, that mastering does him no favours. It gives me a headache. Hard to believe an actual orchestra was even involved, it's so obtuse. But it happens on pretty much all his soundtrack releases. Does Tyler himself insist on that kind of mastering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'd like to think not, because he has a much greater understanding of the craft than his RCP-lite scores indicate. Tyler's a proven talent with lush orchestral writing, but he's at the risk of shoehorning himself with these endlessly bland Marvel scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I can hear a good score somewhere in AVP:R underneath all that loud orchestral shouting. It needs a more careful remaster and an overhaul of the album program - needs to be shorter and rearranged. It's unfortunate that I find Harald Kloser's AVP score a substantially better listen on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I appreciate AVP:R more because Tyler was reasonably slavish to the orchestral texture that Goldenthal, Horner, Goldsmith and Silvestri established. On album the score is obnoxiously loud and undermines his writing, but there was a clear attempt to slot his score into an established series. Kloser did whatever the fuck he wanted with AVP; there's no connection to either franchise in his score. While it has a few memorable moments, overall it's a pretty pedestrian effort that feels distracting in places. To be fair, even the most talented composer would struggle to give a shit if scoring a Paul W.S. Anderson film. John Debney deserves much more love for Predators; a little reliant on Silvestri's sheet music but at least it treated the source material with reverence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 But in all previous Alien movies, each composer gave their film its own unique sound, so wasn't Kloser entitled to lend his own voice to the franchise in AVP? Instead I find the biggest weakness about AVP:R and Predators is their pandering to fanboys with their constant thematic references to previous films. In the context of those movies, it got annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I hope JunkieXL does it. His music is the junkie-est. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Avatar sequels are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, E.T. and Elliot said: Avatar sequels are irrelevant. except they will advance the technology. We're getting closer to no glasses 3D and when that happens it will become standard. Also Cameron isn't afraid of using color something many directors no longer do. We're in the cataract age of film-making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 "When it happens?" I've had glass-less 3D on my Nintendo 3DS since 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Nintendo is the new James Cameron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I guess the point is that glass-less 3D is much easier to do on a screen that fits into your entire line of vision, than it is a large screen that multiple people in a room all need to have the same experience on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Yep. It probably would be easier to achieve that with a TV than with a cinema screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 3D is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Yea I don't really like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 We live in a 4D world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 52 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: We live in a 4D world. Cameron is saving that for the fourth installment, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 James Cameron says that there will be four 'Avatar' sequels; sequels scheduled for 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 Unbelievable. How many Brinks trucks did Fox deliver to Cameron's home? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 What a dumb idea. The sequel won't make half as much money as the first one did, and they'll just keep dropping from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I don't mind the idea of a solid Avatar trilogy, but five total movies of this? It's hard to believe that by the time the next one come out it'll be nearly a decade since the first one came out. That window isn't as open as it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I'd much rather have The Abyss and True Lies on Blu Ray than have more Avatar movies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Why, Jim? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 22 minutes ago, Jay said: What a dumb idea. The sequel won't make half as much money as the first one did, and they'll just keep dropping from there. I can't envision many story ideas that would span two more films, let alone four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This would need to be in 4D to make as much money as the first one did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Maybe that's what's taking him so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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