Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 There are directors that have their composers. If you hire a director, you're indadvertedly hiring their composer. Disney knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 George wants to make money and to hand off his legacy to a new generation.At what point do people associate John Williams with a new generation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think the thing about it is just that Giacchino's respect for Williams likely wouldn't allow him to be comfortable taking the job until he's gotten the official decline and blessing from the Maestro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I can't imagine Williams just being left out of it altogether. While I agree that the chances of him actually scoring the upcoming films are probably pretty low, my feeling is that there will at least be some gesture of passing the torch to Giacchino.But if Giacchino does it... will he record the score with the LSO?If Giacchino scores the picture, I think we can be 99% positive he'll use the same players he's been using all these years. From the sound of things, he's quite attached to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 George wants to make money and to hand off his legacy to a new generation.At what point do people associate John Williams with a new generation?I remember reading that Williams still gets offers from major commercial directors, but since 2005 has turned them all down. I mean, just ten years ago he was working for Roland Emmerich of all people. I guess a lot changes in ten years, but I'm not sure he's as irrelevant as you claim. Not that I expect him to score the film, of course, but an offer doesn't seem so outlandish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 456 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 If Giacchino scores the picture, I think we can be 99% positive he'll use the same players he's been using all these years. From the sound of things, he's quite attached to them.I think that's a given. And I would bet money that if Williams did Episode VII, he'd use his L.A. session players as well. Kathleen Kennedy's not the kind of producer who forces composers on directors or 'encourages' them to record it where she prefers (unlike Lucas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yeah, even Williams using the LSO would be somewhat of a surprise at this point - albeit a welcome one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanner251 17 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That mock trailer is horrifying...... but so preparative...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,363 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Williams will be offered out of courtesy. Indeed, ignoring him would be a mistake. Whoever does the score is going to need Williams' blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,363 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 And don't forget to sync your movement to the click track in your headphones. It goes tick, tick, tick, tick, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No one is going to ignore Williams. And while I think it's probably accurate that Abrams has the right by contract to assemble whichever creative team he wishes, including the composer, the notion that he wouldn't at least informally offer the project to Williams is probably inaccurate. Abrams was as big a fan of the original movies and the music as anyone. Even if it's with the understanding that Williams will refuse, I believe the offer will come to him. He'll pass, and Gia will do it. What's more interesting to me is whether they'll use any tracked Williams music during the opening scroll or the first minutes of the end credits as a kind of tribute (or for consistency), before segueing into Gia's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I just can't imagine them screwing around with that. The opening crawl and iris out music are part of the package, and devoted fans like Abrams and Giacchino aren't going to change that. If Lucas, who was more than happy to muck around with things, ended up not going with a new crawl for the prequels, are Abrams and Giacchino really going to do anything like that with the sequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I just can't imagine them screwing around with that. The opening crawl and iris out music are part of the package, and devoted fans like Abrams and Giacchino aren't going to change that. If Lucas, who was more than happy to muck around with things, ended up not going with a new crawl for the prequels, are Abrams and Giacchino really going to do anything like that with the sequels?Oh, I agree that Williams composition for the opening crawl will remain...I'm just wondering whether Gia (if it's indeed him) will record his own version of it or they'll just track in one of William's recordings.Hmmmm....did they track in William's Superman march for the 2006 movie, or did John Ottman record his own version of it (which I assume is what happened). Anyone? I know Singer offered the job to Williams initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Ottman recorded his own version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Ottman recorded his own versionThanks. I'm guessing this is what Gia (or whoever) will do with the Star Wars Main Title. But perhaps they'll track in Williams, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 why?I don't know, consistency? Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 what consistency?the OT used a different rendition for every film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't need that music to be pasted over the new film. In fact, I find it disappointing that they didn't find something new for the prequels. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 what consistency?the OT used a different rendition for every filmI understand...but as far as I know all those renditions were conducted by Williams and performed by the LSO. We're talking about one of the most iconic (and recognisable) pieces of music in film history. There's a certain sound associated with that main title that people have come to expect when they see the scroll, and I was just speculating on whether, for whatever reason (consistency, a homage to Williams, sentiment, whatever), they might choose to keep it. Yes, I believe it unlikely, but stranger things have happened, director's sometimes make odd choices when editing a score. Just one of many questions I have about the choices they'll make for these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sorry, doubtfull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,794 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sorry, doubtfull.I'm sure you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 I wonder whether they'll even go to London for this one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Has Gia ever recorded there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think so.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 They should give the London Philharmonic a turn!I think their brass is even better than the LSO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I hope they do new recordings of the main title for each film. It was disappointing to have TPM tracked into AOTC and ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Especially since the TPM performance isnt that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I hope they do new recordings of the main title for each film. It was disappointing to have TPM tracked into AOTC and ROTS.Wait,"each film"?When did this evolve into a multiple pictures thing? Or are you just (rightfully) assuming Disney will milk this until the end of days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think they announced at least three new films (or something like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The decision of who's going to score is probably all up to John Williams. Giacchino really respects him and would only score it if John Williams himself declines.Yes.And Williams will be so generous to give him the job.Not interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think they announced at least three new films (or something like that).They announced a new trilogy. And they said they hoped to keep the franchise going for the generations to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 A trilogy every decade. Mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Every other decadeOriginal trilogy 70s-80sPrequel trilogy 90s-00sSequel trilogy 10s-20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Judging by the current excitement. It will not make it to a decade. More like every five years, after the last trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't feel much excitement. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It would be even more mind boggling if Jack Sparrow will make a cameo in the new trilogy. A complete "WTF?!" moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I feel none. Show me a trailer. Then I might even consider going to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It would be even more mind boggling if Jack Sparrow will make a cameo in the new trilogy. A complete "WTF?!" moment.This is when we'll find out he's Han's son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Brave, but foolish my Jwfanner friend. You're obviously outnumbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm suddenly excited about this for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm excited for the moment, because anything is possible regarding the story, the music... When the first pictures, videos and script infos are going to be released, my excitement will probably be quite tempered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm excited for the moment, because anything is possible regarding the story, the music... When the first pictures, videos and script infos are going to be released, my excitement will probably be quite tempered...Like Steef in an Alice induced obsession... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm excited for the moment, because anything is possible regarding the story, the music... When the first pictures, videos and script infos are going to be released, my excitement will probably be quite tempered...I started to write a short sketch with story ideas for fun, as if I were the script writer for the film, and I realized just what you're saying.At some point in the future I'll start going "no, not like that!!"I always fall in the same cycle of illusion-disappointment, and it's impossible to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Regarding the main title...I thought about that, but if Giacchino gets the job, I'd be surprised if there isn't a fresh recording of the main title. Probably with no real modifications to the arrangement, but it would still fit better into this new sonic universe than a recording of a different orchestra with a different recording crew in a different hall on a different continent in a different millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 No one should touch the main title if his name is not JW. That would be a travesty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 There has to be a fresh recording, if only to set the "tone" of the orchestra, its players, the music and the mixing, and match it to what Williams established.Giacchino probably already has the prequel recording sessions on his iPod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,363 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I feel none. Show me a trailer. Then I might even consider going to see this.Didn't George already write the outlines of the story back in the '70s? Or is Disney free to take it wherever they want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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