The Force Awakens The Force Awakens SPOILERS ALLOWED Discussion Thread

[Jay 37,374]

Anybody else feel like TFA was a 2 1/2 hour movie that was cut down to 2 hours as the months of post-production went on? A times it really felt like scenes were missing. And things just zip by so fast!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

It did feel like everything was happening quite fast (maybe even a tad too fast), but it didn't really feel like a lot of stuff (deleted scenes, that is) was missing.

[leeallen01 2,136]

Here is what I would have written for the plot of the Force Awakens -

I would have had everything mostly the same up until they leave Jakku, then I would have them head straight for the Ileanium system or wherever they said the resistance was based. (They don't run into Han and Chewie)

When they get there, they are reunited with Poe, who Finn thought was dead, and meet 3PO and R2. They learn that Leia was once with the resistance but she left to find Luke many years ago. She is a Jedi herself who trained with Luke and the other children after ROTJ.

They then put the map together and learn where Luke is. What they didn't know was that they were being pursued by the first order when Ren detected the Falcon was on the move (because Ren found the Falcon a few years ago and put a tracking beacon on the ship because he thought it could lead him to Luke if Solo found it. Also Ren isn't Han and Leia's son).

Ren tracks them to the resistance where the first order discover them and launch an attack. The first order cripple the resistance, and Akbar, leader of the resistance, tells them to leave quickly with the map and find Luke and maybe even Leia too as a result, who could stop Ren and the first order. Poe is involved in the defence of the resistance base and tells them if they make it to Luke, to meet at a secret resistance rondezvous point. They find and remove the tracking device and escape in the falcon just in time as the resistance base is overrun by the first order.

There is no Starkiller base, no snoke as well, just General Hux is the leader of the first order and Ren is the darkside presence with them.

At the end of the second act, they make it to Luke, ( He has his own lightsaber with him) who they discover blames himself for Ren's fall to the darkside because he should have seen the darkness within when training Ren. Luke also senses a power within Rey but doesn't tell her. They leave the first jedi temple on the falcon (Rey, Finn, BB8, Luke, R2 and 3PO). R2 gets jealous of 3PO talking to BB8 and they have a sort of lovers tiff for a bit of lighthearted humour and R2 and BB8 have a little scrap with their many accessories and gadgets. 3PO puts a stop to it.

They head to the secret rondezvous point that Poe told them about. They get there and Poe isn't there, but some resistance are, who tell them the resistance main base has been destroyed and that only the forces at the rondezvous are left and a few smaller factions elsewhere.

The third act sees Rey becoming interested in the force and she even moves something with the force slightly, but gets scared by it and stops, telling no one. Luke watches her with interest.

Finn wants to go and find Poe, who he believes he owes a debt to after helping him escape the first order. Rey agrees they must search for survivors, but the resistance at the secret point tell them they have lost all communications with the resistance main base and they have heard from no one. They still refuse to not help and just leave anyone who might be captured.

3PO and R2 stay put and Rey, Finn Luke and BB8 head for the resistance base to search for survivors and discover if anyone has been captured. They arrive in the falcon and find it totally decimated. No first order ships are around. They land and look around the wreckage. They find no survivors. They hear an alarm from the falcon, a ship approaches. They rush back and find a first order destroyer has emerged. They attempt to escape, but are shot down and crash on the planet surface.

They are brought aboard as prisoners to the destroyer, as is the falcon itself (luke doesn't fight back against their capture as he wants to get to Ren). They discover Akbar, a couple of senior officers of the resistance and Poe and a couple of pilots are prisoners also. Rey and Finn are escorted to a separate cell, but Phasma intercepts the troopers and tells them she will deal with Finn herself. She takes him and Rey is distressed, angry and shouts for him. The walls slightly shake around her in the corridor from her force anger, and Ren appears, and tells her to come with him. He takes her to a room where Luke is being held, and Ren shouts at Luke to tell him who this Rey is and why Ren can sense a power within her. Luke doesn't tell. He just says "why?" to Ren.

Meanwhile BB8 appears out of a small compartment in the falcon. He was hiding in the falcon as the others were captured. He sneaks out into the first order ship and heads to a control panel. He finds where they are being held. He shuts down power to the section where Poe, Akbar and the other resistance are being held. They try to fight their way out.

As that is happening, Phasma is interogating Finn about what he has learned in his time with the resistance and Luke, but as power is shut down, Phasma dispatches troopers to the prisoner cells to contain them. As she is distracted, Finn attempts to escape but she knocks him down. They begin to fight.

The action cuts back to Ren, Luke and Rey in a room together. Rey asks Ren "who are you?" and Ren replies "I was like you once. Young, naive. I thought I could stop the darkness. But it isn't a choice. It's destiny." Luke has known who Ren is all along and says "The force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister...." Cue some Williams Imperial March. Rey looks in utter disbelief at Ren (now revealed as Leia, but she never removes her helmet the entire film) Leia/Ren then turns her lightsaber on and points in at Rey. "You couldn't save me. Now you can't save her."

It cuts to the resistance fighting their way out to a ship. Poe sees Finn getting his ass kicked by Phasma and goes to help, shooting Phasma in the side from afar. Finn then kicks Phasma to the ground and runs. Phasma is still alive but unconscious. Finn joins the few resistance who are escaping, and get to the hangar bay. BB8 is there waiting and directs them to the falcon. Finn asks Poe where Rey is and he says he doesn't know. Finn says he has to find her and runs off, Poe tells the few resistance to take off and says "take care of them BB8." Who looks sad to see his master leave. Poe follows Finn saying "I have a bad feeling about this."

Luke looks worried for Rey but defeated and ashamed as Leia turn her lightsaber to him. He sits there in despair, not wanting to escape, but Rey closes her eyes and uses the force to snap her restraints. Leia throws her across the room into a wall using the force. And she is seemingly knocked out. Leia force rips Luke's restrains off and takes out his lightsaber from her cloak and throws it at Luke saying "take it. This ends now." Luke gets up and throws his saber to the ground, "I will not fight you sister." As he says that, he has a little flashback in his head, just Vader's voice saying "sister, you have a twin sister. If you will not turn to the darkside then perhaps she will." And Luke closes his eyes, ready for death (like Obi Wan in A New Hope) but as Leia pulls back her lightsaber to swing at Luke, you here Luke's saber turn on. Leia looks behind and sees Rey standing there holding it. She says "who are you?!!" And Rey replies "I'm no one" and swings her saber at Leia. They begin a lightsaber duel, but Rey is being dominated.

After a short but brutal duel, just as Rey is about to be killed, you hear Finn shout "Rey!" And Leia turns to them, and Luke suddenly grabs Rey and pulls her away. Leia is shot at repeatedly by Finn and Poe but reflects the blasts easily. But it gives Luke and Rey time to escape. As Finn and Poe run off too, Ren pursues with storm troopers. They make it to the Falcon, but the troopers and Leia catch up and Luke tells them to go on without him as he uses the force to literally stop Leia and the troopers dead in their tracks. They can't move. Rey wont leave without him, as Leia slowly moves towards them, like she is walking in slow motion against Luke's force. He says to Rey "I wont be able to hold them for long. You have to go. I have seen great power in you. You must realise your potential. You must live. Go to where you found me. Learn the ways of the force. Go." They leave and jump to hyperspace.

Leia reaches Luke as he stops using the force, and he says "When I lost you Leia, I saw no way back. But now there is hope." Leia replies "You cannot save me." And Luke says "I know. But there is one who can." We cut to Rey, who stares out the cockpit of the Falcon. She understands she must realise her destiny.

CUE THE END TITLES.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I've been reflecting on Rey and what they intend to do with her character in future installments. What's in store for her? What are the big challenges she's set to face? Is she exceptional because she became a master swordswoman in the snap of a moment? How powerful is she? What could possibly tempt her to the dark side? How will her relationship with Luke unfold? What will be so different about her compared to her predecessors?

Okay, big questions. Lots of big questions. What can we expect in Rey's heroic journey as this already familiar tale is retold for a new generation?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Finn is given the lightsaber and out of nowhere a Stormtrooper confronts him with a weapon that can deflect lightsabers. How convenient! It was like something out of Power Rangers.

[Jay 37,374]

Yup I thought that was really stupid and made no sense

Plus, it should have been Phasma he fought, not a random stormtrooper

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

For such a tall and imposing lady, Plasma was a real dud.

[Jay 37,374]

And it was ridiculous they let her live for no reason at all, after having no problem killing every other stormtrooper in their way before and after that

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

But do the good guys murder in cold blood?

[Quintus 5,399]

This is what's going to happen for the next 2 years now isn't it. You're all gonna pick it apart like fucking nerds till you forcibly break it and you won't be happy till you do.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Phasma was one of many characters and things in the film that vanished without a trace or weren't explained, and were ultimately unsatisfying for whatever reason. I found myself wanting to see more of certain characters and things, or simply questioning their existence. That includes Max Von Sydow, Threepio's red arm, Maz Kanata, Maz's lightsaber acquisition story, why an energy weapon now "calls to you" like Harry Potter's wand, everyone knowing Snoke, Rey immediately having the powers, Luke being in Highlander etc.

[Jay 37,374]

Its a film very flawed on a script level, like most of JJ's previous films

[Quintus 5,399]

The dialogue itself was solid. I'm inclined to think last minute structural adjustments and perhaps more significant changes are to blame rather than screenplay shortcomings. Abrams himself was on the radio here in the past hour and he said the changes they made towards the end were stressful and that he was just relieved it was finally done.

[Jay 37,374]

I think Disney interfered with this film much more than they will with Rogue One or Episode 8

[Quintus 5,399]

Even if any of that is true, it still turned out okay - and a million times better than the prequels.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

A "million times better" is a gross exaggeration. This movie introduces its own set of plotting and structural problems.

[Not Mr. Big 4,642]

The pacing did feel a little bit too fast but it's hard to complain after having to endure near-3 hour Marvel "epics".

I would actually like to see an extended cut of the movie though.

[Jay 37,374]

Definitely a much better film than any of the prequels in almost every way!

[Not Mr. Big 4,642]

Definitely a much better film than any of the prequels in almost every way!

Except that one thing...

[Quintus 5,399]

A "million times better" is a gross exaggeration.

Thanks for this information, Drax. I'd be lost without you.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Is Finn in a coma?

[Jay 37,374]

I didn't get the point of that either. Why not just have him be awake to say a few things to Rey before she leaves?

That reminds me about another thing about Finn: I really didn't ilke that he was going to abandon our heroes and just run away at Maz's place. I get that Han Solo was gonna do the same, but it fit that character much more than Finn's who was completely heroic and self-less up until that point.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

A "million times better" is a gross exaggeration.

Thanks for this information, Drax. I'd be lost without you.

Would 500,000 be more closely accurate?

[Quintus 5,399]

Only Stephen Hawking could work out these sorts of numbers.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Only Stephen Hawkins could work out these sorts of numbers.

I didn't know Sally had a genius sibling!

[Quintus 5,399]

Who?

[Indianagirl 298]

Its a film very flawed on a script level, like most of JJ's previous films

I agree with this but I also think this film demonstrates how great a filmmaker George Lucas was. Especially in terms of editorial. There were lots of goofy things in the prequels but Force Awakens felt very jumpy and badly crafted as a film. The wipes felt forced rather than organic. It felt like they were there wiping onto action rather than establishing shots in order to create a false sense of intensity in the first act of the movie. The final act when Rey and Kylo's scenes inercut with the xwing battle was the most glaringly obvious that JJ is not George Lucas. George could inercut from story line to story line and it seemed inevitable. When JJ cut to the dogfight sequences it had the effect of "Oh it's these guys again. What are they doing again?" I saw the film last night and I have already forgotten what it was exactly that blew up the trumped up death star. Was it an xwing? I can't remember and says it all.

Also what was the plot of the film? What is the mission of the First Order? Find Luke? That's it?

Snoke felt like a Marvel character.

I can't believe I let myself get excited about this film. Given everything over the past several years I should have known better. I feel stupid.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

It was Poe Freakin' Dameron!

[Jay 37,374]

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Why did Ren want Luke's lightsaber?

[Indianagirl 298]

Yeah I'm sure he did but I have no visual memory of it. Which is damning to this film.

[leeallen01 2,136]

Poe literally flew down a trench and into a small gap which he destroyed. So basically exactly what happened in A New Hope. Some may call the Force Awakens an homage, a tribute but it was a remake pure and simple.

[SteveMc 2,674]

Here is what I would have written for the plot of the Force Awakens -

I would have had everything mostly the same up until they leave Jakku, then I would have them head straight for the Ileanium system or wherever they said the resistance was based. (They don't run into Han and Chewie)

When they get there, they are reunited with Poe, who Finn thought was dead, and meet 3PO and R2. They learn that Leia was once with the resistance but she left to find Luke many years ago. She is a Jedi herself who trained with Luke and the other children after ROTJ.

They then put the map together and learn where Luke is. What they didn't know was that they were being pursued by the first order when Ren detected the Falcon was on the move (because Ren found the Falcon a few years ago and put a tracking beacon on the ship because he thought it could lead him to Luke if Solo found it. Also Ren isn't Han and Leia's son).

Ren tracks them to the resistance where the first order discover them and launch an attack. The first order cripple the resistance, and Akbar, leader of the resistance, tells them to leave quickly with the map and find Luke and maybe even Leia too as a result, who could stop Ren and the first order. Poe is involved in the defence of the resistance base and tells them if they make it to Luke, to meet at a secret resistance rondezvous point. They find and remove the tracking device and escape in the falcon just in time as the resistance base is overrun by the first order.

There is no Starkiller base, no snoke as well, just General Hux is the leader of the first order and Ren is the darkside presence with them.

At the end of the second act, they make it to Luke, ( He has his own lightsaber with him) who they discover blames himself for Ren's fall to the darkside because he should have seen the darkness within when training Ren. Luke also senses a power within Rey but doesn't tell her. They leave the first jedi temple on the falcon (Rey, Finn, BB8, Luke, R2 and 3PO). R2 gets jealous of 3PO talking to BB8 and they have a sort of lovers tiff for a bit of lighthearted humour and R2 and BB8 have a little scrap with their many accessories and gadgets. 3PO puts a stop to it.

They head to the secret rondezvous point that Poe told them about. They get there and Poe isn't there, but some resistance are, who tell them the resistance main base has been destroyed and that only the forces at the rondezvous are left and a few smaller factions elsewhere.

The third act sees Rey becoming interested in the force and she even moves something with the force slightly, but gets scared by it and stops, telling no one. Luke watches her with interest.

Finn wants to go and find Poe, who he believes he owes a debt to after helping him escape the first order. Rey agrees they must search for survivors, but the resistance at the secret point tell them they have lost all communications with the resistance main base and they have heard from no one. They still refuse to not help and just leave anyone who might be captured.

3PO and R2 stay put and Rey, Finn Luke and BB8 head for the resistance base to search for survivors and discover if anyone has been captured. They arrive in the falcon and find it totally decimated. No first order ships are around. They land and look around the wreckage. They find no survivors. They hear an alarm from the falcon, a ship approaches. They rush back and find a first order destroyer has emerged. They attempt to escape, but are shot down and crash on the planet surface.

They are brought aboard as prisoners to the destroyer, as is the falcon itself (luke doesn't fight back against their capture as he wants to get to Ren). They discover Akbar, a couple of senior officers of the resistance and Poe and a couple of pilots are prisoners also. Rey and Finn are escorted to a separate cell, but Phasma intercepts the troopers and tells them she will deal with Finn herself. She takes him and Rey is distressed, angry and shouts for him. The walls slightly shake around her in the corridor from her force anger, and Ren appears, and tells her to come with him. He takes her to a room where Luke is being held, and Ren shouts at Luke to tell him who this Rey is and why Ren can sense a power within her. Luke doesn't tell. He just says "why?" to Ren.

Meanwhile BB8 appears out of a small compartment in the falcon. He was hiding in the falcon as the others were captured. He sneaks out into the first order ship and heads to a control panel. He finds where they are being held. He shuts down power to the section where Poe, Akbar and the other resistance are being held. They try to fight their way out.

As that is happening, Phasma is interogating Finn about what he has learned in his time with the resistance and Luke, but as power is shut down, Phasma dispatches troopers to the prisoner cells to contain them. As she is distracted, Finn attempts to escape but she knocks him down. They begin to fight.

The action cuts back to Ren, Luke and Rey in a room together. Rey asks Ren "who are you?" and Ren replies "I was like you once. Young, naive. I thought I could stop the darkness. But it isn't a choice. It's destiny." Luke has known who Ren is all along and says "The force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister...." Cue some Williams Imperial March. Rey looks in utter disbelief at Ren (now revealed as Leia, but she never removes her helmet the entire film) Leia/Ren then turns her lightsaber on and points in at Rey. "You couldn't save me. Now you can't save her."

It cuts to the resistance fighting their way out to a ship. Poe sees Finn getting his ass kicked by Phasma and goes to help, shooting Phasma in the side from afar. Finn then kicks Phasma to the ground and runs. Phasma is still alive but unconscious. Finn joins the few resistance who are escaping, and get to the hangar bay. BB8 is there waiting and directs them to the falcon. Finn asks Poe where Rey is and he says he doesn't know. Finn says he has to find her and runs off, Poe tells the few resistance to take off and says "take care of them BB8." Who looks sad to see his master leave. Poe follows Finn saying "I have a bad feeling about this."

Luke looks worried for Rey but defeated and ashamed as Leia turn her lightsaber to him. He sits there in despair, not wanting to escape, but Rey closes her eyes and uses the force to snap her restraints. Leia throws her across the room into a wall using the force. And she is seemingly knocked out. Leia force rips Luke's restrains off and takes out his lightsaber from her cloak and throws it at Luke saying "take it. This ends now." Luke gets up and throws his saber to the ground, "I will not fight you sister." As he says that, he has a little flashback in his head, just Vader's voice saying "sister, you have a twin sister. If you will not turn to the darkside then perhaps she will." And Luke closes his eyes, ready for death (like Obi Wan in A New Hope) but as Leia pulls back her lightsaber to swing at Luke, you here Luke's saber turn on. Leia looks behind and sees Rey standing there holding it. She says "who are you?!!" And Rey replies "I'm no one" and swings her saber at Leia. They begin a lightsaber duel, but Rey is being dominated.

After a short but brutal duel, just as Rey is about to be killed, you hear Finn shout "Rey!" And Leia turns to them, and Luke suddenly grabs Rey and pulls her away. Leia is shot at repeatedly by Finn and Poe but reflects the blasts easily. But it gives Luke and Rey time to escape. As Finn and Poe run off too, Ren pursues with storm troopers. They make it to the Falcon, but the troopers and Leia catch up and Luke tells them to go on without him as he uses the force to literally stop Leia and the troopers dead in their tracks. They can't move. Rey wont leave without him, as Leia slowly moves towards them, like she is walking in slow motion against Luke's force. He says to Rey "I wont be able to hold them for long. You have to go. I have seen great power in you. You must realise your potential. You must live. Go to where you found me. Learn the ways of the force. Go." They leave and jump to hyperspace.

Leia reaches Luke as he stops using the force, and he says "When I lost you Leia, I saw no way back. But now there is hope." Leia replies "You cannot save me." And Luke says "I know. But there is one who can." We cut to Rey, who stares out the cockpit of the Falcon. She understands she must realise her destiny.

CUE THE END TITLES.

You know, that's not too bad. Knowing screenplay structure, though, I can tell you that your third act has to be divided. There making it to Luke has to be the midpoint. But, really, your plot is a real plot.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Why did Ren want Luke's lightsaber?

Ugh, just read the books! Rowling wrote it all down.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

You know, that's not too bad. Knowing screenplay structure, though, I can tell you that your third act has to be divided. There making it to Luke has to be the midpoint. But, really, your plot is a real plot.

"Your plot is a real plot".

Well, there's a real compliment, if there ever was one.

[crocodile 8,020]

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Oh god, we need prequels now to explain everything!

They are evil fascist groups who were Empire sympathizers and want to take control over galaxy.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[SteveMc 2,674]

Real plots grow out of dynamic characters and unusual situations. Not out of a desire for toy and ticket sales.

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Oh god, we need prequels now to explain everything!

They are evil fascist groups who were Empire sympathizers and want to take control over galaxy.

Karol

I was thinking the same thing.

[leeallen01 2,136]

I want to know what happened to Salacious B. Crumb. I think in Ep.8 Luke will confront Snoke and you will just hear "niyahahahahahaha" from behind.

[crocodile 8,020]

No Star Wars film ever explains itself in full, just throws you into the middle. It either appears in the follow up films or can be understood from context. Besides, I don't even really know how you explain a fairy tale?

The Force, for instance, was never touched upon in the original SW. It was explained with one or two throwaway line of Obi-Wan and never really explored. Luke gets a lightsaber... but never uses it for anything. Empire is never explained, or even Rebellion. Darth Vader doesn't have a motivation. And so on...

Karol

[KK 3,307]

I was more disappointed that Leia was relegated to slightly extended cameo participation, because I'd imagined her aboard the Falcon with Solo and the newbies, getting into space debris scrapes, that sort of thing. Her inclusion instead felt rather forced, in this first movie.

Agreed. Or at least I wish we got to see her play more of this "general" role. I like Fisher, but she was just an exposition device here, and not a very good one.

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Oh god, we need prequels now to explain everything!

They are evil fascist groups who were Empire sympathizers and want to take control over galaxy.

Karol

Yup. Kind of like ISIS after Al-Queada.

I just hope they way they execute their plans and stuff will be different from this point forward.

[Indianagirl 298]

I guess if I could sum up episode 7 in one word it would be: Unecessary.

If I had to sum it up in a phrase it would be: The final nail in the coffin.

[Damien F 1,742]

One thing I wasn't sure of is the extent and size of The First Order. Are they as large and domineering as the Empire or just a smaller terrorist group.

And the destruction of the republic was just a fleeting moment. It didn't have the emotional resonance it should have had. Hell, I felt the destruction of Alderon much more than the destruction of the whole republic.

[crocodile 8,020]

And the destruction of the republic was just a fleeting moment. It didn't have the emotional resonance it should have had. Hell, I felt the destruction of Alderon much more than the destruction of the whole republic.

I never had any emotional reaction to Alderaan. Nor did Leia, for that matter.

Karol

[A24 4,346]

Phasma was one of many characters and things in the film that vanished without a trace or weren't explained, and were ultimately unsatisfying for whatever reason.

I don't need Phasma to be explained to me. I get what they are trying to do. She's the female Bobba Fet. She looked promising in the trailer but in the movie she was a disappointment. I prefer her in GOT.

[crocodile 8,020]

I think they must have cut a lot of her material out.

Karol

[KK 3,307]

Gwendoline did a pretty extensive media circuit for having such little screentime. I wonder how she felt when she found out she only had like 3 or 4 lines in the movie.

[nightscape94 965]

I was more disappointed that Leia was relegated to slightly extended cameo participation, because I'd imagined her aboard the Falcon with Solo and the newbies, getting into space debris scrapes, that sort of thing. Her inclusion instead felt rather forced, in this first movie.

I agree. It's the same with 3PO and R2.

I was just thankful the old droids were used in an extremely limited capacity.

As a result, I wish BB8 had more to do after the mid-point. There were no classic pilot/droid moments during the final battle between Poe and BB8.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Star Wars: Episode VII - John Williams Awakens

Second viewing, and I actually ended up enjoying it more then my first. There is some great character stuff in this movie. I like the way Poe and Finn bond while escaping. And ofcourse Ford really nails Solo once again (love the bit where he's quite impressed by the power of Chewie's gun)

Daisy Ridley is a superb lead as Rey.

Ruminations. In her first meet with BB8 when he tells here that where he is from is "clasified", she tellms him that she's also "one big secret"

Her encounter with Luke's saber seems to have released something in her. Like it triggered the Force, which had laid dormant before. His vision ends with a dark saying "you have taken your first steps".

She is untrained, but apparently very powerful. The way she uses those powers to escape, and right of Kylo Ren was for me totally credible.

Daniel Craig is indeed the Stormtrooper in her holding cell. You can recognize the voice. Fun cameo.

Kylo Ren seems to have two themes associated with him. The 4 note motif, and the theme playing in The Abduction (13 seconds in)

The score really came to live on the screen now that I heard the OST a few times. Rey's theme especially, and the Resistance March are awesome themes.

Oscar Isaac isnt in it much, but he is very good. He will certainly fill the void left by Han.

I think they must have cut a lot of her material out.

Karol

It felt like that. I'm guessing a lot of stuff with her and Finn got cut out.

[Quintus 5,399]

Isn't Ren's motif 5 notes? Then 4.

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.

Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Oh god, we need prequels now to explain everything!

They are evil fascist groups who were Empire sympathizers and want to take control over galaxy.

Karol

Don't waste your time Croc, they're autistic.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yeah, I

Isn't Ren's motif 5 notes? Then 4.

The motivations of both the First Order and The Resistance were extremely muddled.


Yes, what was Ren's ultimate goals? What are Snoke's? What are Hux's?

Oh god, we need prequels now to explain everything!

They are evil fascist groups who were Empire sympathizers and want to take control over galaxy.

Karol

Don't waste your time Croc, they're autistic.

Yeah, I'm guessing after a few months all these threads will needs to be moved to a subforum for the OCD members to have at it.

People, this is the first of THREE films. Of course they arent going to explain everything straight away!