Who was worse: Karen Allen in KOTCS or Carrie Fisher in TFA?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I have a feeling Carrie Fisher will win this battle, but in defense of Karen Allen, at least she sort of sounded like an older Marion Ravenwood as opposed to a completely different person with mush mouth.

[crocodile 8,014]

They're both on about the same level.

 

Karil

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

At least Karen Allen smiled.

[indy4 155]

Carrie Fisher was good in TFA.  Karen Allen was okay/bad on KotCS

[A24 4,333]

1 hour ago, Drax said:

At least Karen Allen smiled.

 

Carrie Fisher wanted to smile too but she couldn't.

[mstrox 6,651]

I think they both did well with what they were given.  Crystal Skull didn't really have any reason for Allen to be there, nor did it have anything for her to do besides go along for the journey.  Fisher was given a supporting role that worked in the film, so her performance worked better.

 

Carrie Fisher sounded one way in the 1970s and another way in the 2010s.  The character Leia aged the same amount.  I had no problem with the way she sounded in TFA.

[Brónach 1,302]

While seeing The Force Awakens I wondered if another actress of that age could have played the part. While seeing Crustal Skull I wondered if someone else could've written that and I didn't even focused con Allen much because the thing was broken before that.

[nightscape94 965]

At Leia had something to do.

 

[leeallen01 2,136]

I had no problem with Allen. She looked, sounded and acted like she had in previous Indy films. But I struggled to see Leia in Force Awakens properly. She doesn't even look like herself any more, so I found myself thinking "okay, that is Leia, that is Leia." At least Hamill and Ford actually look 30 years older than the last time we saw them in the Saga, yet Fisher looks and sounds like another actress.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

3 hours ago, Brónach said:

While seeing The Force Awakens I wondered if another actress of that age could have played the part. While seeing Crustal Skull I wondered if someone else could've written that and I didn't even focused con Allen much because the thing was broken before that.

 

I don't think either character was written well (I think the Han/Leia conversations are the worst scripted in TFA), though I agree that Marion was written worse. I also agree that the story didn't need her. For me, Allen still did better than Fisher however.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Fisher is actually fine for the most part. Though better when she's acting opposite Harrison Ford then anyone else.

 

I believed her though, when she did "The Force will be with you" line.

[leeallen01 2,136]

 

Just now, Stefancos said:

Fisher is actually fine for the most part. Though better when she's acting opposite Harrison Ford then anyone else.

 

I believed her though, when she did "The Force will be with you" line.

 

 

Is that what she said? I thought she said "mesh thesh forsh be wish yoush" 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

I guess I believed her when she "sensed"

 

Spoiler

Han's death on the Starkiller base,

 

but that's pretty much it.

 

Even that could probably be better. Not sure it's all her fault (as opposed to the script), but Leia is easily the weakest link of returning OT characters/plot elements.

[leeallen01 2,136]

I thought they hired Sean Connery when she said "It wash Schnoke"

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

They probably changed the script at the last minute when Fisher wasn't available and had Sean dub over her.

 

"It's perfect JJ baby, no one will ever notisch!"

[leeallen01 2,136]

I bet J.J and Kasdan were writing the script and coming up with the funniest lines to give her. "Screw it, let's call him Snoke. It's stupid but wait until Carrie has to say it. It'll be worth it."

[Quintus 5,399]

Ignoring the ageist/sexist agenda of the thread, I found Karen Allen far more uncomfortable to watch in KotCS, but not because of anything she did wrong. Spielberg and the script were at fault there. 

 

I'll be interested to see how Carrie Fisher fares in the next Star Wars movie. She didn't stand out to me much in TFA, as much as I'd hoped she would. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The two of you have no respect, obviously!

[leeallen01 2,136]

[Thor 7,504]

Tough one, but ultimately Karen Allen's role was better and more pronounced. Plus, she's a much better actress in general.

 

But Fisher was obviously not given much to work with in TFA.

[nightscape94 965]

54 minutes ago, amh1219 said:

I guess I believed her when she "sensed"

 

That was a nice touch.  I also like how long the camera held on her during that moment.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I liked her best in her last scene with Rey. It was only there where she looked, sounded and acted like an older Leia, and not the brain damaged Carrie Fisher we all feared would show up.

[nightscape94 965]

Savages, all of you.

[A24 4,333]

Both roles are a bit "Yes, fans of the old movies, it's me again!"

 

There's something embarrassingly self-aware about their performance. They don't disappear into the characters. Ford too had a moment like this when he had to say that "Yes, you new generation sitting there in the theatre, it's true, all of it" line.

 

 

 

Alex

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He delivered that line with gravitas!

[A24 4,333]

The line is bad.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its good!

[nightscape94 965]

18 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

He delivered that line with gravitas!

 

14 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Its good!

 

It's true, all of it!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

*sniff*

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I thought Ford probably gave the best performance of anybody, truly recreating the Han Solo I knew, but, yeah, that whole scene from the writing to the acting felt off.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He felt more "off" explaining Maz and Her watering hole.

[Quintus 5,399]

It's probably the most honest scene in the movie for me, I really like it. Because of the performances and the way the three are framed there, the dialogue in question feels nice and theatrical. I generally love anything like this in these sorts of movies. 

 

The best moment like it previous to this was Gandalf's look of wearied doom as he confirmed the terrible provenance of the One Ring to Frodo in Bag End. 

 

Pure unadulterated exposition!!! With an economy and prose that is completely alien to Christopher Nolan. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I love that moment in Fellowship!

[Quintus 5,399]

I must have rewound McKellen's delivery there about 20 times. It's fucking amazing. And Howard Shore's depressing descent down the horns seals it. 

[Brónach 1,302]

I suspect the best of the returning actors from the OT is going to be Mark Hamill anyways.

 

I wanted more from Leia, but on the other hand sometimes I felt the previously existing characters were cluttering a film meant for the new ones.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Mark Hamill is not a better actor then Harrison Ford!

[Brónach 1,302]

That might depend a bit on the context. I doubt Mark Hamill is going to turn out bored like Ford in Crystal Skull.

[publicist 4,643]

The only Ford scene that really didn't work was the face-off with his wretched filius but Ford, bless him, isn't Sir Alec. To give him these awful un-Fordian lines is a punishment unworthy of Han Solo.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Whatever you do, don't stare.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That's why Hamill has had a very successful career as a leading actor that has spanned decades and Harrison Ford has done nothing but Han Solo and The Joker voice-work!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Lol I actually do think that Hamill's lack of film roles has been deliberate on his part, at least in the last 25 years. Probably did get a lot of really bad offers through the 80s, but he seems like the type to avoid the limelight and his voice career has been rather successful as far as that goes. I respect the guy, he seems to be enjoying fame on his own terms and you look at his IMDb and he's been working non-stop, which is at least more than Hayden Christensen can say.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Hayden who?

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Exactly.

[A24 4,333]

13 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Its good!

 

The line is self-referential and in a revering way which makes it swollen (made worse by J.J.''s bloated registration of the moment) but somehow Ford managed to limit the damage. A weaker persona/actor would have made the room laugh (just imagine if they ask Leia that question). What can I say, it's not my kinda Star Wars. My Han Solo would have never said that line. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. He's the counterweight that's necessary to prevent things from becoming self-important. I guess the movie is giving that task to other characters now (Finn). 

 

Alex

[Thor 7,504]

Ford is a fantastic actor, and was one of the best parts of the film. I was amazed by how easy he went into the EXACT role he left more than 30 years ago (just as grumpy and confused as back then). The "it's all true" scene was one of the best scenes in the film, and with the Force theme in the background, it was one of the times I got a throat lump.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Thank you!

 

That scene actually showed that time had not stood still and that the experiences of the OT, and the 30 years after that have given Han a different perspective.

 

It's sad if some people still want Han to only be the scoundrel that shot first.

[A24 4,333]

13 minutes ago, Thor said:

The "it's all true" scene was one of the best scenes in the film, and with the Force theme in the background, it was one of the times I got a throat lump.

 

What can I say, I detest cheap sentiment.

 

Didn't you also love The Crystal Skull by any chance?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]