Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 While there are many to choose from across the three films, what do you think was the absolute worst? For me it's easy...the scene where the Laketown survivors turn into a mob and try to murder Alfrid and Bard has to stop them. It's not that I have any love for Alfrid, I despise the character, but having a mob of common folk try to murder one of their own is about the most un-Tolkien like thing I can think of. The scene just rubs me the wrong way every time I see it, and reminds me off how far from the source material they let these movies stray. There are lots of other candidates of course...any scene with the Master & Alfrid, or Kili & Tauriel, etc. But what are the worst? If you can't pick just one, the worst from each movie is OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Watching Stephen Fry eat testicles was pretty unsavory. And, it's far from being the worst scene, but that bit where Bard careens down some stairs on a wagon to save someone (his kids, I think?) is just so goofy. Even the Legolas fight with Bolg was more believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 The healing scenes in DoS. Anything involving Kili and Tauriel in general really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 The awful CGI crap like Legolas climbing falling stones, Smaug covered in gold, naked dwarves in the fountain, Legolas jumping on heads in the river, and just how bad Damn looked. Should have stuck with the original prosthetic version. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Everything Tauriel/legolas-related, the singing Goblin King, Thorin saying 'this gold is priceless' over and over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2016 All the goofy scenes and terrible CGI scenes are a masterpiece compared to the criminal misuse of Shore's music by the filmmakers. For me, it is unforgivable that they used Gondor Reborn as Thorin hugged Bilbo. I have lovingly studied Shore's Scores for over a decade and I realise new things all the time that I didn't notice before. For all that painstaking work from Shore; developing Gondor's music over the trilogy and his gigantic tapestry overall, for it then to just be crapped on by the presumed words; "let's stick that there. That will sound cool," without any regard for Shore's artistic accomplishments is going too far and basically a betrayal of Shore and all of us who study and appreciate his work. A. A. Ron, Gnome in Plaid and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 12 hours ago, Barnald said: The healing scenes in DoS. Anything involving Kili and Tauriel in general really. "You cannot be her. She is far away from here..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 12 hours ago, Barnald said: The healing scenes in DoS. Anything involving Kili and Tauriel in general really. Actually, any gimmicks that were a shot redo of something they did in LOTR made me cringe...i.e. a shadow falling over Gandalf as he grows a couple feet taller and bellows in a deep voice when he's angry, the angelic Tauriel playing healer ala Arwen, etc. By the time BOTFA rolled around, I was expecting Bard to say "This army" and a bunch of undead magically appear. Those things worked, and beautifully, in LOTR, but in The Hobbit they just seem like cheap fan service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 The hydraulic Disney World ride which occurs during the Misty Mountains passage. Thorin Oakenshield charging in slowmo to the Ringwraith music. Bridges were burnt there. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, Quintus said: Bridges were burnt there. Some hurts take hold, go too deep, and you realise...there is no going back. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I forgot to mention the second theme park sequence in the trilogy. The one with the lava sleds. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Any scene with Alfrid is repugnant. As is Fili/Taurial. And the CGI clownshows. Basically everything everyone else mentioned. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted September 4, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Red said: Any scene... is repugnant. Gnome in Plaid, crumbs and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 19 hours ago, Quintus said: Thorin Oakenshield charging in slowmo to the Ringwraith music. Bridges were burnt there. Indeed! What was Shore thinking? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Alfrid's death. And it's not even close. Makes you gaze with a blank stare and wonder how this was considered not too childish and dumb, but a talking wallet was. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Quintus said: Hehe Shore must share some of the responsibility for that travesty though. Since he agreed to rescore it with that inappropriate Ringwraith theme Imagine if PJ had asked Herrmann to do that? He would have been stabbed in the chest with a baton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Most of DoS. I don't think Herrmann would've taken kindly to most of what goes on in today's scoring world. He should've stuck to the concert hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Shore must share some of the responsibility for that travesty though. Since he agreed to rescore it with that inappropriate Ringwraith theme After the King Kong debacle Shore probably just shrugged, sighed quietly and said "okay fine, Pete. Fine." bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 20 minutes ago, Quintus said: After the King Kong debacle Shore probably just shrugged, sighed quietly and said "okay fine, Pete. Fine." Everyone working on the film was so constantly exhausted by the ridiculous deadline that I wouldn't be surprised if Shore would've felt guilty if he complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 I don't think Shore and Jackson will ever work together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Bloody hell! Didn't anyone like anything about "THE HOBBIT"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Well, duh! It just seems such a negative thread, is all. Besides, there's a "everything that's wrong with..." site. I'm sure "THE HOBBIT" is in there, somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Not Mr. Big and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 48 minutes ago, Richard said: Bloody hell! Didn't anyone like anything about "THE HOBBIT"? As the person who considers these to be straight up bad films and not just bad adaptations, I will say that I liked the casting. I also liked large swaths of the scores. I did take personal issue with each and every one of the things listed earlier in this thread however. Not even the best fan edits can save movies that are so wrongly conceived from start to finish. 20 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said: Those everything wrong with videos suck. I think some of them are funny and even spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 No they're not, they're funny. "ETWE SKYFALL" is brilliant. "Adele" (ping) Anyhoo...it seems that PJ was rather hamstrung by Warner Bros. waving Blu rays of LOTR, $400 million in front of him, and a big neon sign that said "MORE OF THE SAME, PLEASE". That's the downfall of the second trilogy: it tried too hard to be like LOTR. Really, it never stood a chance. That it is as good as it is, is no mean feat, given the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Richard said: That it is as good as it is, is no mean feat, given the circumstances. If you say so. To me, it looks like they just threw all kinds of shit up on the screen to see if anything would stick and nothing really did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: Shore must share some of the responsibility for that travesty though. Since he agreed to rescore it with that inappropriate Ringwraith theme Imagine if PJ had asked Herrmann to do that? He would have been stabbed in the chest with a baton! And what is he supposed to do when PJÖNGJANG tells him to do something with the temp? Quit? He wrote his own version. Thanks for using my baton joke. That will be 0.99 Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Some of THE HOBBIT is very good, indeed. I like the fact that the respect that JRRT had for both music, and nature, is more apparent in the second trilogy. Sylvester McCoy is finally getting his dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 He's still The Doctor that nearly killed off the show forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Nah. Michael Grade did that in 1985. When it came back, it was always living on borrowed time. Pity. Some of McCoy's stories are just fantastic (REMEMBERANCE OF THE DALEKS; SILVER NEMESIS; THE CURSE OF FENRIC; GHOSTLIGHT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 To be honest, for me there's a dark void between Tom Baker and Chris Eccleston. A rupture in time where there was literally nothing. Some Dalek plot, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Thorin's hallucination/visions in film three. For many reasons - it looks shite, the sudden transition/character change... and just really awkward. Karol mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, Stefancos said: To be honest, for me there's a dark void between Tom Baker and Chris Eccleston. A rupture in time where there was literally nothing. Some Dalek plot, no doubt. It's probably more to do with JNT than the actors. He did, somewhat, infantalize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ive never seen Colin Baker as the Doctor though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 He's better than most people realize. He's worth seeing just for Peri ("Oh Yeah", by Yello starts playing...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Thorin's hallucination/visions in film three. For many reasons - it looks shite, the sudden transition/character change... and just really awkward. Karol Another victim of the movie being too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 The film is not too short. It just wastes time on unimportant stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Like what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 The race of men. Bard, Alfrid. Sauron, the Nazgul etc... A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I really like the Hobbit films, but think that if they take 30 mins off each film and made it two, rather than three, then we would have gotten two very focused films of high quality and that can live more comfortably next to LOTR. Two 3 hour films, instead of three 2.5 hour films. I'd call the two films; An Unexpected Journey and The Battle of the Five Armies and I would end the first film at the originally intended point; after the Barrel sequence, and the dwarves (like Frodo and Sam) begin to walk aimlessly over the rocks and into the distance, and I would have the Bree flashback at the start of the second film and return to the real-time action as Bard appears. Also NO cgi Azog and Bolg. Just Bolg in Azogs role, and played by an actor in prosthetics. AUJ - I would remove about 10 mins from the Bag End build up, 10 mins from the random travelling, and 10 mins from the third acts various action scenes. DOS - Remove 10 mins from the various Forest scenes. 10 mins from Laketown and the entire Smaug action scene. Instead I'd have him wake up, have the great back and forth with Bilbo, try and kill the Dwarves for a minute or two, then go to attack Laketown. None of the lighting the molten gold crap. BOTFA - Remove 20 mins of Alfrid scenes/Dwarves and Men sitting around doing nothing in Erebor and Dale respectively, 10 mins from the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 8 hours ago, Nick66 said: I don't think Shore and Jackson will ever work together again. I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Bag End taking almost a movie in itself to be finished with in the first movie is a fucking massive cardinal sin of these movies. Jackson the fat fuck and his greasy finger n thumb licking over indulgence ruined what should have been a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Wha? They are out if Bag End by like the 40 minute mark. And 10 of that was the prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 40 minutes before the adventure begins proper is bang out of order, it's inexcusable laziness and never more than in these movies. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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