phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Yep, Jay's spot on. It would be Ramiro handling the edits. I think he got a few things wrong with JP that Matessino corrected, so it's conceivable the same thing might happen with these. Alternate takes for the prequels would be great! Yeh, I think MM mentioned something about the speed not being correct and the edits were not exactly precise but they were okay musically. I could be wrong about this, but I'd dare to say that Ramiro didn't need to steech takes into a final cue on JP as the tapes used were already edited for that. Depending on the source used for those SW remasters, he will have to do that. And how good is his level of attention on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 So we just have to wait until 2021 for Matessino's complete expansions then. Alan and phbart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 My expectation for this new SW remasters are regarding sound quality only. For everything else, we'll definitely have to wait. But I agree with Alan in that if Disney is going to all of this trouble to search for elements, transfering them and re-creating OST albums, then they must have something else on their minds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Ramiro, don't you dare screw this up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: So we just have to wait until 2021 for Matessino's complete expansions then. Seems like the expected amount of time to wait to include the complete score for Episode 9 as part of a saga set... Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, phbart said: Yeh, I think MM mentioned something about the speed not being correct and the edits were not exactly precise but they were okay musically. I could be wrong about this, but I'd dare to say that Ramiro didn't need to steech takes into a final cue in JP as the tapes used were already edited for that. Depending on the source used for those SW remasters, he will have to do that. And how good is he on that? Not sure about this. Matessino used the same 2013 scans for the LLL expansion that were used for the 20th Anniversary release, which means Universal had the entire JP recording sessions scanned in 2013 (The Lost World, however, was freshly scanned in 2016 for their release). Supposedly Ramiro re-assembled the OST presentation from scratch using the original, uncut sessions. He also swapped out film takes for alternate takes wherever he heard studio noise (such as the infamous creaking chair in Journey to the Island), whereas Matessino isolated those sounds and removed them digitally while retaining the correct film takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Ramiro assembled the entire OST from scratch using the raw sessions, supposedly. He also swapped out film takes for alternate takes wherever he heard studio noise in the sessions (such as the infamous creaking chair at the end of Journey to the Island), whereas Matessino was able to isolate those sounds and remove them digitally while retaining the correct film takes. Is MM the only guy in the industry who gives a damn? Holko, crumbs and Amer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Hmm... I'll pray the orchestra players behaved and were good boys and girls on the selected takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 This set could be a real mixed bag, considering the volume of music across the six films. I'm secretly hoping some of the microedits (in the prequels especially) get overlooked and we end up with more music than the OSTs had. That infamous microedit at the end of Anakin's Dark Deeds springs to mind, which could easily be forgotten... well, hopefully. Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yeh, like I said, my only expectation is about the sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is MM the only guy in the industry who gives a damn? Neil S Bulk has the same work ethic and attention to detail as MM Ricard, crumbs and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'm not familiar with that name. Is he also a freelancer working with the independent companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yep! Some of his great work includes Total Recall and Basic Instinct for Quartet, The Abyss for Varese, the reworked Batman in the Danny Elfman Batman Collection (he is the guy who found the better tapes) as well as Ferris Beuller, Dances With Wolves, Titanic, the Lethal Weapon box, and many others for LLL. He also used to be the moderator for JWFan before me. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 He was a member here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I realized I got one of his "works"; The La-La Land release of Cliffhanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 And what a massive improvement over the Intrada edition that was! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yeah, but too bad the score doesn't have the same attention to details as the composer's Mohicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,631 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I'm secretly hoping some of the microedits (in the prequels especially) get overlooked and we end up with more music than the OSTs had. That infamous microedit at the end of Anakin's Dark Deeds springs to mind, which could easily be forgotten... well, hopefully. oh, it'll still be there. Mark my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 There's no reason to expect any of the edit points to be any different. The only possibility is some alternate takes get in if Ramiro chooses one with less studio noise than the selected take, like how he handled the JP 20th anniversay edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 This may be a little "off topic", and please forgive me if it seems that way, but I've been reading these posts, and it's got me thinking. Taking into consideration all cues heard in the film/OST, and alternate, rerecorded, and unused cues (including any concert arrangements recorded at the time, and any source music), what is the most extensive, most complete soundtrack available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 The 1997 2CD sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Thank you, Jay. I understand that that would apply to STAR WARS, but I meant "by anyone" (sorry for the confusion)? The recent BEN-HUR, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 So does this mean that we won't be seeing Massetino re-releases of the prequels (that are complete) anytime soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 12:47 PM, Richard said: Thank you, Jay. I understand that that would apply to STAR WARS, but I meant "by anyone" (sorry for the confusion)? The recent BEN-HUR, maybe? In that case, the answer is... a multi-way tie between every title the specialty labels have tackled that they didn't miss something on? I don't really understand exactly what you're trying to get at. I mean, finding all the alternates, concert arrangements, source music, and combining it all with the film cues is literally how every specialty label tackles every title they license, with the occasional exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: This set could be a real mixed bag, considering the volume of music across the six films. I'm secretly hoping some of the microedits (in the prequels especially) get overlooked and we end up with more music than the OSTs had. That infamous microedit at the end of Anakin's Dark Deeds springs to mind, which could easily be forgotten... well, hopefully. This will probably be a painfully obvious question for many here, but what is the timestamp for the microedit in this track? I can’t seem to pick it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay said: The only possibility is some alternate takes get in if Ramiro chooses one with less studio noise than the selected take, like how he handled the JP 20th anniversay edition. Oh, that's news to me. Which cues had alternate takes on that one? Not that it matters, I still can't purchase JP 20th in my country (five years later). Geffen Records needs to get their shit together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I don't understand, there is no reason to purchase the 20th anniversary edition of JP any more, because the 2016 La-La Land release contained everything on it and more http://www.lalalandrecords.com/Site/JohnWilliamsJurassicParkCollection.html As for the alternate takes, don't get too excited; They are practically the same as the selected takes, just technically not the same ones as used in the film. There wasn't that many IIRC, and in fact the only 2 places I can even remember there being any difference is a small portion of Journey To The Island, where he chose a take without the creaking chair noise, and the very end of The Falling Car, where Ramiro chose a different take of the final chord (understandably so, as if you listen to the original OST, there's a wicked loud stage noise there). In both cases Matessino used the proper album/film take, but digitally removed the noise (actually in the latter case, I believe he just lowered the volume of the loud stage noise rather than remove it entirely) 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Besides stage noises, there's another problem that can affect the editor's decision to select the correct take, and I believe SW OT is specially plagued with this problem: tape deterioration. We saw that happening to "Man Against Beast" in Jaws. MM skillfully restored the correct performance for the 2015 Intrada release. For those who are not aware or don't remember, the 2000 Decca release people chose to go with another take because of deterioration on the portion of the tape that featured the correct take. MM himself said that any engineer who would look at the problem say that it couldn't be dealt with. We also know SW OT had a rough past regarding the proper storage of the music elements, so we better expect some alternate takes à la 93 Anthology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sure, it is possible that Ramiro might have chosen an alternate take than the film take if the film take was now damaged after 4 decades of storage, but he also could just pull the right take from the '93 transfers if he had to. Who knows how Ramiro operates, or even what sort of budget and timeframe he had to work with on this project; if he was only given a short time to get it all done, vs being given months to do it at his own pace, could lead to a world of difference in assembly choices. We just don't know any details about this project yet. 37 days of speculating to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Scintillating_CA said: This will probably be a painfully obvious question for many here, but what is the timestamp for the microedit in this track? I can’t seem to pick it out. There's a trumpet fanfare at the end that is missing in the album version. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, Jay said: We just don't know any details about this project yet. You know! You just won't tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Nope. I know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Weren't there a few segues in the JP 20 that were slightly different? (And a cue that previously had the reverb tail of the previous cue at the start of the track?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 On the original OST album, A Tree for My Bed begins while Dennis Steals the Embryo is still fading out. On the 20th and LLL, they don't overlap any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I must have listend for the difference on the beginning of ”A tree for a bed” a thousand times. The OST cd and the LLL starts exactly the same. I can’t hear any difference at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Well, there is no difference in the music, it is the same take; Dennis Steals The Embryo is simply still fading out when it starts, on the OST, while on the future editions they are fully separated by a complete fade-out then a moment of silence. In other words, the final fadeout of Dennis Steals The Embryo bleeds across the changeover from one track to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Jay said: ...Dennis Steals The Embryo bleeds across the changeover from one track to the next. Why so much violence? We should organize a protest demanding peace and stop this bloodshed between tracks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 French editions now on Amazon.fr, coming with track titles: https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07CCZXJ1T/ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07CCZX8T2/ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07BQNDXJF/ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07BQP1GBK/ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07BQNDXJG/ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07C9D8SW2/ No "On the Conveyor Belt"! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Well, that's lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Maybe it'll be a hidden track, not listed anywhere, but actually on the CD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,077 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hopefully so well hidden that it's not on the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Converyor Belt was a bonus track, it will reappear on the hypothetical future expanded sets, not in this collection. Is it clear? Can we avoid 5 pages more of this thread to discuss it, mercy? Thanks. Chewy and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 The track lists were posted by Amir on the previous page On 3/26/2018 at 10:38 PM, Amer said: Interesting 😎 https://theseconddisc.com/2018/03/the-saga-continues-disney-to-reconstruct-reissue-original-star-wars-soundtracks-on-cd/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Are people dumb or what? The guy in this article just repeated the tracklists we all know from the OST. There's no real problem to Fake News, but there's problem with dumb people.. and this forum, sorry to tell it, begins to contain a lot more than usual. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Bespin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just now, Jay said: Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Bespin? Not only this morning. Holko and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, Bespin said: Are people dumb or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Mid life crisis can be hard, bes. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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