Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jay said: Live is nothing like those other bands and I'm not sure why Disco Stu is connecting them. Weird. Nothing? What? Big crunching guitars with melodramatic annoying wailing “sensitive” dudes who I just want to punch in the face. Shit bands like Lifehouse are definitely in the same lineage as Live. The 90s destroyed mainstream rock. Of course a lot of amazing music got made but what got popular got worse and worse until rock is just a husk now SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Nothing? What? Big crunching guitars with melodramatic annoying wailing “sensitive” dudes who I just want to punch in the face. Shit bands like Lifehouse are defyin the same lineage as Live. The 90s destroyed mainstream rock. Of course a lot of amazing music got made but what got popular got worse and worse until rock is just a husk now Preach brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I listen to real music, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Bottom line is that the Mummy Returns song is pure shit. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 You get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 It probably convinced some people in 2001 to spend money on an Alan Silvestri score they wouldn't have purchased otherwise. And maybe they even listened to it! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,380 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Nothing? What? Big crunching guitars with melodramatic annoying wailing “sensitive” dudes who I just want to punch in the face. Shit bands like Lifehouse are definitely in the same lineage as Live. The 90s destroyed mainstream rock. Of course a lot of amazing music got made but what got popular got worse and worse until rock is just a husk now I disagree. Live doesn't sound like those other bands to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, Jay said: I disagree. Live doesn't sound like those other bands to me. They're certainly not as bad, and are better musicians for sure. But one lead to the other in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I was half expecting to read that My First Bus Ride (Original) and Dirigible Montage were recorded in L.A.. Both of those have, to my ears, a really muddy mix, with the brass buried somewhere in the strings. The OST versions (and the revised Bus Ride) sound great in comparison. Whether there's an isolated mixing issue or they're different recordings, I don't know, but something's up there. Edit - Sandcastles too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 806 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I’ve always liked “Forever May Not Be Long Enough”, but then again, I’m a sucker for any music with Middle Eastern influence. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 One day I'd love to hear the story of how the hell they forgot mentioning the LA sessions, and why they sound the way they do. Were they recorded badly, kept badly, or they found them later in the album production process and didn't want to push it back and hire a magician to make something of them? The Intrada site data is incomplete, CD2 Tracks 9, 20 and 21 were also recorded in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 The Mummy Returns LA recordings were stored in the same place as the ROTJ score and the Botanicus Theme. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 It even varies from track to track, probably based on how orchestrally busy they are or what segments they focus on. Evy's Flashback Swordfight (which is low moods, then solo percussion, then DOMINE-ting choir - sorry) and the Credits (again overpowering choir, percussion and that guitar thing) are pretty well off compared to the rest, which sometimes are just a little bit off, sometimes sound positively muffled and muddy, and some of them occupy a very narrow stereo field. The choir, anvils and more exotic percussion really pop out with their sound, even though the booklet says Silvestri made a big thing out of recording everything together and not striping anything. So it could just be a rushed recording setup - "Eh, the movie has to open in 3 weeks and this won't be on the album anyway, who cares?". OK, the credits isn't perfect either, the brass is a mess, but that only really comes out at the solo at 2:15, and it is much better than in the movie, in which the sound even pops wide into the left channel from muffled during the final fadeout! Is that a fault with the rip I got or with the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Maybe Dan Wallin did the LA recordings? >D Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Holko said: One day I'd love to hear the story of how the hell they forgot mentioning the LA sessions, and why they sound the way they do. Were they recorded badly, kept badly, or they found them later in the album production process and didn't want to push it back and hire a magician to make something of them? Nah, they sound the same on the boot. My money would be on a rushed last minute recording. Possibly with your suggestion that Silvestri knew they wouldn't make the album so didn't worry about how they sounded. Why the London cues vary in sound so much... who knows. All I can see is that most of it sounds really great, with a handful of cues dotted around sounding like the mix is all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just now, Richard Penna said: Nah, they sound the same on the boot. My money would be on a rushed last minute recording. Possibly with the suggestion below that Silvestri knew they wouldn't make the album so didn't worry about how they sounded. 1 hour ago, Holko said: So it could just be a rushed recording setup - "Eh, the movie has to open in 3 weeks and this won't be on the album anyway, who cares?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Yeah realised that after I'd submitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 The technology simply wasn't advanced enough in 2001 to record music with proper fidelity and clarity that we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 In the insignificant third world country known as Hollywood, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: The Mummy Returns LA recordings were stored in the same place as the ROTJ score and the Botanicus Theme. In the empty swimming pool of that one guy that nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,100 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,212 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Holko said: even though the booklet says Silvestri made a big thing out of recording everything together and not striping anything. I believe I recall Dennis Sands saying that he's not fond of striping and prefers recording the whole orchestra as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 So My First Bus Ride, one of the main signature standout tracks of this score, has a pretty noticeable performance flub in the version included in the main presentation at 1:08, while we know from the booklet there are at least 4 takes to choose replacement bars from (unless the takes between 11 and 14 were warmups, or planned inserts before they decided to rerecord the entire thing), or just substitute them with the ones from the original take included on Disc 2, which doesn't have the flub. There are other examples where certain bars from different takes are used. Is this the level of attention to detail that we're dealing with here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,320 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Unfortunately once you get used to the Matessino treatment of expansions, with his intricate ear for detail, nothing else comes close. Gave my second listen to The Mummy over the weekend and the brickwalling just kills the listening experience; the brass and percussion is so "hot". Surely the score wasn't mixed/recorded this way? Would love to see a spectrogram comparison with the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Forget the brickwalling, the limited stereo field is a much bigger issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Is it possible it might be an issue with the actual source? Maybe it deteriorated badly over the past 17 years? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,320 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, publicist said: Forget the brickwalling, the limited stereo field is a much bigger issue here. Care to elaborate? I did notice the score has a real lack of "space". The orchestra doesn't breathe and it doesn't sound much like a normal recording studio. It often sounds very mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 So far I've only noticed very narrow stereo fields in the Returns LA cues, I only have minor preference issues with the mastering of the Goldsmith one like the overpowering brass in Tuareg Attack or the newly surfaced synths in The Sarcophagus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Care to elaborate? I did notice the score has a real lack of "space". The orchestra doesn't breathe and it doesn't sound much like a normal recording studio. It often sounds very mono. I already specified in this thread (and partly in the corresponding Mummy thread): regardless of the session involved a lot of cues have a narrow stereo field, sometimes approaching mono quality. If you use headphones and compare the major tracks of the Decca and Intrada, you will notice that even London cues like 'Evy Kidnapped' severely reduce the stereo spread. Even within Intrada's set you'll notice cues that sound wide and open (Legend of the Scorpion King), others (Scorpion Shoes, Canyon Deluge, Evy Kidneapped and so on) have this aforementioned tinny sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,320 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Sounds similar to the issues on the Star Wars remasters. Someone screwed up when downmixing the multi-track channels into stereo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just that in this case you would be afraid to address it, or you risk a dressdown from Doug Fake and his minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 He'll unleash his beret on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I'm glad I decided to skip these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 It's most unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,100 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I seeee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,320 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, publicist said: Just that in this case you would be afraid to address it, or you risk a dressdown from Doug Fake and his minions. I don't have any idea what this comment means, nor who Doug Fake is. He sounds like a bit of a phony, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 hours ago, publicist said: I already specified in this thread (and partly in the corresponding Mummy thread): regardless of the session involved a lot of cues have a narrow stereo field, sometimes approaching mono quality. If you use headphones and compare the major tracks of the Decca and Intrada, you will notice that even London cues like 'Evy Kidnapped' severely reduce the stereo spread. Even within Intrada's set you'll notice cues that sound wide and open (Legend of the Scorpion King), others (Scorpion Shoes, Canyon Deluge, Evy Kidneapped and so on) have this aforementioned tinny sound. Are there any other Silvestri or Goldsmith Intrada releases with these issues? I've never had any problem with anything from Intrada (so far?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I don't have all but i don't know of any major new-ish release with problems as glaring as TMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Intrada initially screwed up the Rambo 2 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Intrada initially screwed up the Rambo 2 release. They did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,320 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 They didn't screw it up unless they admit they screwed it up. Just look at Disney Records and the new Star Wars releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 hours ago, Holko said: So My First Bus Ride, one of the main signature standout tracks of this score, has a pretty noticeable performance flub in the version included in the main presentation at 1:08, while we know from the booklet there are at least 4 takes to choose replacement bars from (unless the takes between 11 and 14 were warmups, or planned inserts before they decided to rerecord the entire thing), or just substitute them with the ones from the original take included on Disc 2, which doesn't have the flub. There are other examples where certain bars from different takes are used. Is this the level of attention to detail that we're dealing with here? The performance flub has always been there on the album (which I think is take 14 in it's entirety, despite what the liner notes say). The film uses take 14 for the most part, with the unflubbed performance of that section edited in from take 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,535 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 That's what they should have recreated, and it's in the liner notes, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,380 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Mike M would have recreated the performance edit used in the film for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, publicist said: I don't have all but i don't know of any major new-ish release with problems as glaring as TMR. So you don't consider TM a release with glaring problems? (I don't have the CD yet and want to know whether it's justified looking forward to it.) 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Intrada initially screwed up the Rambo 2 release. It also sounds too bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 No. Especially when you have the whole original album to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Ah okay, nice to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 The sound issue with The Mummy Returns is the same as the boot. I think Intrada used the same masters or something similar. I think it was just how the score was recorded is why it sounds like it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Nah. The issues are on many tracks which sound perfectly fine on the Decca (as i listed above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,212 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 There really isn't much wrong with The Mummy. It sounds hotter than the album, but not problematically so. It's more apparent when you compare the new mix with the album cues, obviously. My biggest annoyance may in fact be that Goldsmith's original Sand Volcano is only present in the album mix, which sounds a bit jarring if you put it at the end of the full score instead of the copy paste credits. Brundlefly and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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