Edmilson 7,471 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: And "Solo A Star Wars story"? Yeah, but that was mostly Powell. Also, JW was only there because it was Star Wars franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Hopefully the actual concert version Irina's theme and not the edit from film cues on the OST. Sure it's lame that JW didn't record a "real" concert version for the OST, but it's just a case of knowing too much. If I didn't know how it was put together I'd have no problem with it.. it was one of my favorite tracks when I first got the OST. bollemanneke and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, rough cut said: The Journey to Akator (0:00-1:15) Is that the market place source music? I quite like that. Otherwise... your list looks like it maaay be slightly in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 The source music is at the end of that track, not the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 It's great! It sounds great! I'm excited to get it for real. Thing is, Mike does such a great job with the majority of these that there probably isn't that much to be discussed about the expansion itself, especially when it's not as significant an upgrade as it could be with other scores. 1 hour ago, Jay said: Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 The sound quality really is quite remarkable. It's really pleasant to listen to, if that makes any sense. bollemanneke, Pieter Boelen and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: I'm just curious how this partnership between JW and Ron Howard came to be. I don't know who contacted who initially, but Williams has said in interviews that he was attracted to the project because he wanted to write Irish music (wanting to write in certain musical idioms has often been a reason to him, like HOME ALONE or THE PATRIOT). Maybe it's all in the liner notes. Those of you who have it can check. Pieter Boelen and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 The liner notes indicate Howard wanted to work with The Chieftains first, and then: Quote Howard had contacted John Williams when he noted that The Chieftains were appearing with the Boston Pops Orchestra in May 1991 at the start of the composer’s 12th season as principal conductor. Williams was slated to complete Oliver Stone’s JFK and Steven Spielberg’s Hook that autumn, but could compose and score Far and Away in Los Angeles in the early part of 1992. During his 1991 holiday Pops concerts in Boston, Williams flew to New York, meeting with Howard and viewing some footage Edmilson, Pieter Boelen and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? Stuck in customs since Monday. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: The sound quality really is quite remarkable. It's really pleasant to listen to, if that makes any sense. I was happy with the sound too. It seems to have a layer of ambient room noise and/or tape hiss, not the distracting type, but the kind that gives it a presence and makes you glad DNR was not applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,116 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Im curious about the alternates here. Can anyone which si the most standout alternate cue here. I understand the End Credits hasn't much to offer in terms of significant new material but I'm curious about the others. Also is the sound quality noticebly improved ?? (Not that I have issues with original OST album-it still sounds pretty good to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: Otherwise... your list looks like it maaay be slightly in jest. Haha, no, no, I’m real. 😎 (Okay, so putting the Raiders March in there makes the whole thing look hooky, since neither the composition nor the arrangement is ‘new’, but there you have it - The best of KOTCS 😁) Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Does any European usually order from music box records? I'm thinking of ordering this from there, along with 4-5 other Williams expansions, to avoid customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Does any European usually order from music box records? I'm thinking of ordering this from there, along with 4-5 other Williams expansions, to avoid customs. Yeah, they're trustworthy and pack things well. Chris's Soundtrack Corner (soundtrackcorner.de), too, though things are usually priced just a tad higher there than on MBR and the site looks less professional. Be aware that MBR has shut down shipping due to covid-19 and will only process orders once things get more normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Amer said: Im curious about the alternates here. Can anyone which si the most standout alternate cue here. I understand the End Credits hasn't much to offer in terms of significant new material but I'm curious about the others. 1-3 Joe Sr.’s Passing vs 2-7 Joe Sr.’s Passing (Alternate) The original album contained JW's original intended version of this cue, but the ending was cut off because he crossfaded to The Duel Scene within the same track long before the cue was over. Disc 1, track 3 finally presents the entire cue with the full ending (which wasn't even on the bootleg). Later, a new ending was written and recorded, and used in the film. This new ending is edited into the cue for the alternate in disc 2, track 7, which also uses an alternate take compared to the album version for the beginning part. This new ending is far less interesting musically than his original intended ending, so I'm glad the film ending is in the bonus track and his original ending is in the main program. 1-15 The Big Match vs 2-10 The Big Match (Alternate) The original album contained JW's original intended version of this cue. Later, they decided to try having the music actually begin later in the scene, and also change the tone a bit of how the music started. So an approx 35 second insert was recorded, meant to replace the first approx 1:20 of the original cue, making the final cue actually shorter than the original version, In the end, this insert wasn't used, and they stuck with the original cue as intended in the final cut. So JW's original intention remains in the main program, and the shorter version with the new opening is in the bonus tracks. The bonus track version also features 5 extra seconds of dissonance at 3:34 (this is the full ending of 9M4/10M1 Facing Goliath) because the OST version shortened this dissonance and Mike replicated that edit for the main program version; I believe some different takes crop up towards the end here as well. 2-1 Oklahoma Territory vs 2-11 Oklahoma Territory (Film Version) The original album contained JW's original intended version of this cue. Later, a new opening minute was written and recorded, and replaced the original opening minute in the film. For the LLL, his original intended version remains in the main program, and a version with the new opening minute is in the bonus tracks. I personally much prefer his original version over the rewrite so I'm glad it's in the main program and the rewrite is in the bonus tracks, but YMMV (I know Tim Burden prefers the rewrite over the original). 2-5 Joseph And Shannon vs 2-13 Joseph And Shannon (Alternate) The album version was already the same as the film version, which features a drum overlay from 2:04-2:10. The bootleg presented some wrong takes of this cue and no overlay, so the bonus track version here is also those wrong takes and no drum overlay. 1-6 The Barn vs 2-8 The Barn (Alternate) 1-13 My Own Man vs 2-9 My Own Man (Alternate) 2-2 The Land Race vs 2-12 The Land Race (Alternate) 2-6 End Credits vs 2-14 End Credits (Alternate) These are just different takes, not different compositions. I believe these are only here because these takes were on the bootleg and Mike didn't want anyone to have a reason to keep that. Quote Also is the sound quality noticebly improved ?? (Not that I have issues with original OST album-it still sounds pretty good to me) The sound quality is noticeably improved, there's been multiple posts saying as such on this and other recent pages. Holko, Amer, Edmilson and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Holko said: Be aware that MBR has shut down shipping due to covid-19 and will only process orders once things get more normal. Ah really? Didn't know about that. Thanks. 21 minutes ago, Jay said: 2-2 The Land Race vs 2-12 The Land Race (Alternate) I am almost sure this has an alternate section. are you sure they are just different takes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Ah really? Didn't know about that. Thanks. Yeah, it's right on the main page, quoted for anyone else affected: Quote Update March 23, 2020 Dear Customer, We are sorry to inform you that, during this covid-19 pandemic, we can no longer ship your orders for now. As the delivery services may be uncertain in France and worldwide, we prefer to stop shipping and we'll process them as soon as everything returns to normal. However, online orders can still be placed during this time. Feel free to contact us by email for more information. Thank you very much for your understanding. Be safe and stay home! filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I am almost sure this has an alternate section. are you sure they are just different takes? Yes, 2:10-2:46 is the most noticeable difference, but it's just a different take, not a different composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: Yes, 2:10-2:46 is the most noticeable difference, but it's just a different take, not a different composition. I haven't listened yet to the expansion but i remember it was a totally different composition. I'll check the sheet music too. there is an insert there that replaces some bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Jay, thanks for your breakdown of all the alternates! Pure gold!! If I could pick one thing to have written in the CD booklet, it would be that. If I could have two things, I'd add the "tech talk" that Mike sometimes does. bollemanneke and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Looks totally like a proper different insert to me. EDIT: actually listening to it, it does just seem like a pretty different take, balancing and mix of the same material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Out of interest, Jay, could you comment on the non-JW source music? Was it excluded as per JW's wishes or because it couldn't be located? How much of it can be obtained elsewhere, excluding Shannon's piano recital, of course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I have no idea about any of that stuff. You seem to be the only one that has any interest in it bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I haven't listened yet to the expansion but i remember it was a totally different composition. I'll check the sheet music too. there is an insert there that replaces some bars. Ok, i listened now to the 2 different versions (not from this expansion so i cannot comment on that), and you're right. It's not a different composition but it's not an alternate take either. it's different orchestration! When we say alternate take, i assume the section is exactly the same, just a different recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Sure, there's usually various orchestrational changes from take to take, that's why you go again, well that and performance issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: I have no idea about any of that stuff. You seem to be the only one that has any interest in it Yeah, I seem to be one of the only ones who watched this film more than once as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I watched the theatrical version once and the extended version once within the last 4 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, I seem to be one of the only ones who watched this film more than once as well. I've seen it 2-3 times over the years. But the last time was probably a decade ago. I see it for the Williams connection; perhaps also Solomon's cinematography. It doesn't have much else going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jay said: I watched the theatrical version once and the extended version once within the last 4 months There's an extended version? I never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 It's far superior to the theatrical cut! It aired on ABC in the 90s over two nights, so two 2-hour blocks (with commercials). If you cut out all the commercials and recaps and repeated credits, etc, it adds about 29 minutes of new footage Here's an example of how the start of The Land Race was different in the TV cut And this is not even a great example of why the extended cut is better, most of the other new footage adds great world building and character development. Oh, and the name of the movie comes from deleted dialogue that reappears in the extended cut. All the music in the new scenes is entirely tracked in from other cues, btw; Williams scored the theatrical cut. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The extended cut needs to be released on Blu-ray! Re this expansion, it's going to be a few months before I can get it. Our country is going into lockdown tomorrow for three weeks. My Minority Report and Disaster Box (how ironic) and various other items are stuck somewhere in the UK. Oh well, it's time for me to catch up on all those Williams releases I have not yet listened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Oh my God, I never knew this existed! As far as I knew the DVD/Blu-Ray didn't even contain extra scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: The extended cut needs to be released on Blu-ray! Unfortunately, Mike posted bad news about it on FSM: Quote You'll need to keep at the filmmakers, because all of the edited masters of the TV version were destroyed in the Universal fire. They'll have to go back to the film elements and recreate it, do all the sound mixing over again, etc. bollemanneke, Chewy, 1977 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I thought the Universal fire only affected music not film elements?! Shocking to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Yea I was surprised by that news as well. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Is it normal that the YouTube clip's score portions switch to mono during (I presume) the edits? Is that how they broadcast it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 That's a fan edit integrating the new footage from the TV cut (mono) into a blu ray rip of the theatrical cut (stereo) bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: 4 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: The extended cut needs to be released on Blu-ray! Unfortunately, Mike posted bad news about it on FSM: Quote You'll need to keep at the filmmakers, because all of the edited masters of the TV version were destroyed in the Universal fire. They'll have to go back to the film elements and recreate it, do all the sound mixing over again, etc. More info from Mike: Quote The building that burned in the Universal fire had a great many NTSC video masters in it, so they were not necessarily useful for today’s HD world, but it would have included things like TV edits and bonus feature materials done for Laserdisc and early DVD 1977 and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,350 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Do we know why all that used mateiral never made it onto the Blu-Ray? I mean, it's not a movie with a big '30th anniversary' market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Are you asking why something destroyed in a fire in 2008 wasn't added to a blu ray that came out in 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Even if they had the elements, I wonder if they would have been in any kind of shape to be released on Blu-Ray, if they were originally prepared for TV. It might take more budget to redo it for Blu-Ray than the studio was willing to pay. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 It probably would have only been able to be released as a standard def bonus feature in the state it was in. It seems to have been made more like the 1941 extended cut, IE made only for home video/broadcast, rather than the Superman The Movie or Waterworld extended cuts, ei cut on film then prepared for broadcast from that. I doubt the film's been popular enough since it came out to justify Universal pulling the negatives and rebuilding the extended cut again and doing it all in HD. Seems like a pipedream. Luckily an SVHS recording of the broadcast airing survived and was digitized for the fan market. 1977 and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 12:14 AM, Marian Schedenig said: Stuck in customs since Monday. Tracking now says that customs are holding it because it doesn't include an invoice. Which means I have to email them a scan/screenshot of the invoice, but first I have to wait for a letter from them telling me to do that (I can't send it in advance because I won't know the customs case number until I get the letter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 #firstworldproblems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I just received this message from MusicBox Records: Quote Dear customer, Your order has been packed but we cannot ship it for the moment, due to covid-19 pandemic. As the delivery services are uncertain in France and worldwide, we will ship your order as soon as everything returns to normal. Thank you very much for your understanding. Be safe and stay home! MUSIC BOX RECORDS I guess I'll need to wait a bit more to get this set, but good to know it has arrived in France anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I'm sure you'll have it within two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Oh you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 It's worth the wait! Very enjoyable release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Well I just got an update on my tracking and it seems my copy has been languishing in the USPS LA international distribution center for nearly two weeks after it was shipped. Understandable in these times though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,116 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Yes most International flights stand canceled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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