Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 ymenard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I don’t get it. But JP is much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Ha, nice catch! I hear the I-V II-VI similitarity between the two themes, but I highly doubt it was temp-tracked Ricardo Mortimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Enlighten us noobs, please! I can't hear any similarity between SILVERADO and JURASSIC PARK other than that they're both orchestral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I mean all I can really hear is brass melodies with strong intervals of 4th/5ths based on the harmonic series... which is entirely idiosyncratic or brass instruments considering the fact that they were literally designed to sound good doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I did a very quick MIDI approximation of the Silverado theme, all stripped down you can hear JP in there xDsilverado.wav *i probably got some notes wrong of the B-part of the theme but whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Am I really the first one to point out he put Quess instead of Guess in the thread title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,193 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Thor said: Enlighten us noobs, please! I can't hear any similarity between SILVERADO and JURASSIC PARK other than that they're both orchestral. Spot on! 21 minutes ago, Jay said: Am I really the first one to point out he put Quess instead of Guess in the thread title? You're the first one who felt the need to point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Que? Quoi? Ques? Quois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 3:19 PM, Thor said: Enlighten us noobs, please! I can't hear any similarity between SILVERADO and JURASSIC PARK other than that they're both orchestral. Afair, it was (or was rumored to be) the temp track for the island arrival scene, just like the Henry V piece for the ailing dinosaur scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Silverado, a score I've only ever heard playing on the muzak at Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Silverado, a score I've only ever heard playing on the muzak at Disney. Muzak? That's some challenging muzak, because a lot of the score is quite abrasive. But it's a great one; a big operatic western score, and among Broughton's very best. But I've never ever thought there was any similarity to JURASSIC PARK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 556 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Listening to JFK just now, I’m struck by the similarities between Arlington and Barber’s Adagio for Strings. Anyone else? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said: Listening to JFK just now, I’m struck by the similarities between Arlington and Barber’s Adagio for Strings. Anyone else? Mark Nah. Just the general feel. Maybe. That one should be pretty obvious. That Italian guy sings pretty good, dontcha think?😉 0:55- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 309 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 There's a part of the melody at 18 seconds that is the first two notes of the JP theme but thats it bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,251 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 Same key, same violin figurations, similar harp, and a woodwind melody centered around the fifth degree of the scale… Falstaft, Ludwig and TheUlyssesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 19 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said: Listening to JFK just now, I’m struck by the similarities between Arlington and Barber’s Adagio for Strings. Anyone else? Yeah, this is indisputable. And well-justified too, given the strong linkage of the Barber adagio with Kennedy -- both as a piece he personally admired and one that was indelibly linked with his memorialization following his death. It's also a piece Stone had already mined in Platoon, directly as well as the the original Delerue score that at times is undisguised Barber pastiche. And of course Williams had already channeled another Barber work, the Violin Concerto, if anything more pervasively in Born on the Fourth of July. Sources: Larson, The Saddest Music Ever Written; Howard, "The Popular Reception of Samuel Barber's 'Adagio for Strings'", Audissino, John Williams's Film Music, this earlier thread: 14 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Same key, same violin figurations, similar harp, and a woodwind melody centered around the fifth degree of the scale… I've also always been struck by the affinity between this cue from Jaws and the mysterious coda at the end of Vaughan Williams's Second Symphony. It's not the only place in the Jaws score that seems to draw from that coda (the end of "Preparing the Cage" too). And Goldsmith also drew a lot from this piece, and RVW more generally, esp. in Alien. publicist, Ludwig, The Illustrious Jerry and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Falstaft said: I've also always been struck by the affinity between this cue from Jaws and the mysterious coda at the end of Vaughan Williams's Second Symphony. It's not the only place in the Jaws score that seems to draw from that coda (the end of "Preparing the Cage" too). And Goldsmith also drew a lot from this piece, and RVW more generally, esp. in Alien. And the Calm Sea theme in Jaws also greatly reminds of the very first minutes of the same symphony Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Charles Ives " The Unanswered Question" is the piece associated with Kennedy. It played at his funeral iirc BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Charles Ives " The Unanswered Question" is the piece associated with Kennedy. It played at his funeral iirc Don't mean to be argumentative, but that simply isn't the case. Barber's Adagio was and remains closely associated with the JFK assassination, and was played on the radio very shortly after his death on CBS radio, and repeatedly thereafter (though not at his funeral itself, as is sometimes erroneously stated). Ives was at that point still not a widely known or widely performed figure outside of composer circles, and "The Unanswered Question" in particular only became a standard repertory item after the 1970s, largely thanks to Leonard Bernstein's advocacy. BrotherSound and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Pretty sure Bernstein conducted it at a memorial for JFK. ( fyi I recently got a documentary about LB. Maybe it will answer the question😊) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Pretty sure Bernstein conducted it at a memorial for JFK. To the best of my knowledge, the famous televised Bernstein performance in memoriam of JFK was Mahler 2, not Ives. (Source: NYPhil). You can actually watch it on youtube: But Bernstein conducted a lot, so maybe there's something I'm missing. Curious what you turn up. To return to the original purpose of this thread, here's another potential source of inspiration for another 1993 score. I'm not certain that much of Schindler's List was actively tracked with anything. (Well, besides the obvious Kilar "Exodus" for "Schindler's Workforce"...). In this case, I imagine it's more that to prepare to write the score, Williams immersed himself in this idiom, and perhaps this particular album, as a way of getting into the desired sound-world. And maybe even this particular track, whose orchestrations, melodic & harmonic gestures, and especially cadential formulas remind me of "Remembrances" quite a lot. And the Oyfn Pripetshik lullaby of course appeared in the score & soundtrack in different forms too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Bernard Herrmann championed Ives even before Lenny! I still think Ives was played either during the funeral procession or at the memorial service/concert. Thanks for that video. Love the Resurrection symphony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 7 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Pretty sure Bernstein conducted it at a memorial for JFK. ( fyi I recently got a documentary about LB. Maybe it will answer the question😊) No answers from the doc " Larger than Life". There is a short clip of him conducting the Mahler second! Suggestion: Merge this thread with the " JW PLAGIARIZING" thread. They pretty much cover the same ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 556 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 The talk of the women's choir in ESB on another thread reminded me: Arrival at Cloud City was surely temped with the latter part of Neptune from Holst's Planets, right down to the female wordless choir. Also, the Imperial March - temped with Montagues and Capulets from Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet ballet music? It's certainly about the right length to cover the initial sequence of the Imperial Fleet massing. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 556 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 All this talk of ESB and temp tracks rang a vague bell, so I dug out my ancient copy of Once Upon a Galaxy: a journal of the making of the Empire Strikes Back by Alan Arnold. In it, Arnold talks of visiting Irvin Kershner just as he was choosing records to take to the temp track session. Here's one interesting passage: 'Behind me, Kersh had begun to rummage, picking out one LP* after another from the shelves that framed the stereo, He played only bits of them, and as the pace of his selections grew more frenzied my musical senses were treated to a most unfeeling assault. In the space on minutes he had played and rejected snatches from Stravinsky and Shostakovich, Hindemith and Copland, Prokofiev and Bliss.' [p249] * note for younger readers: an LP is what we used to called an album on vinyl. 30cm diameter, 33rpm, total playing time about 40 minutes. Blimey, I feel old. Later, as they're driving to the session: 'As we turned a corner, one record slipped from the pile and I saw that it was the Prokofiev score for Eistenstein's film October.' [p250] Only problem is, Prokofiev didn't write a score for Eisenstein's October: ten days that shook the world (1928)! It was a silent film, although Shostakovitch wrote a score for it in 1966 which he then repurposed as a tone poem (Op. 131). Listening to the tone poem, there are bits that possibly could have been used to temp action/battle scenes (about 3 to 5 minutes in, for example), or the last couple of minutes could perhaps have temped the escape from Cloud City. Anyone know any more? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/8/2020 at 11:25 AM, bruce marshall said: Charles Ives " The Unanswered Question" is the piece associated with Kennedy. It played at his funeral iirc This is the closest I came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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