RomanticStrings 10 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Does ~8:00 and then again at ~8:45 and on, but most especially at ~9:15 on in "The Train" (Horner, The Legend of Zorro) sound like music for the Resistance in Star Wars: The Force Awakens? For me, I now hear those strings at ~1:00 in "Scherzo for X-Wings" as castanets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Nah sounds like classic Horner to me Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 It's the subsequent stuff, closer to ~9:30, those trumpet blasts on one note, that do it for me. I realized it's more Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, though. The former relation is certainly possible, though the latter film was out the same year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I do hear some similarity in the flavor of the scores. Probably unintentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Clemmenson claimed The Train sounded like more of a Williams action cue. I don't agree with that but I do agree that it was a rather intense action cue from him in 2005 with a lot of moving parts, counter-point and theme interaction. Its quality took me by surprise but did not make me think of another composer Madmartigan JC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Not the first time JWfan has speculated about this particular cue! To complicate matters further, I wonder if Gordy Haab had Horner's "The Ride" and/or "The Train" from Zorro 1/2 in his ear when writing "Han's Kessel Run" -- which I further suspect Williams had in his ear when writing "The Adventures of Han." SteveMc and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, RomanticStrings said: It's the subsequent stuff, closer to ~9:30, those trumpet blasts on one note, that do it for me. I realized it's more Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, though. The former relation is certainly possible, though the latter film was out the same year. You're referring to the trumpets at 9:59, right? Yes, those sound like pure Williams for sure. Very little else in that track does, though, at least to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 To be honest, from about 8:30 I felt rather reminded of this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Falstaft beat me to it with the link to the fifteen year old thread, so here's a contemporaneous one from FSM (with classic Ford Thaxton): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42799&archive=0 Falstaft and Madmartigan JC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I was just listening to this cue yesterday. Mind blowing. Going from Mask of Zorro to Legend of Zorro, the overall feel of the scores seems to change. Don’t know if Horner leveled-up in his writing between 1998 and 2005. I don’t know if Horner got new or orchestrators or what. But Legend of Zorro certainly is a much more flashy score than MoZ I’d say. Bring on the expansions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jim Ware said: Falstaft beat me to it with the link to the fifteen year old thread, so here's a contemporaneous one from FSM (with classic Ford Thaxton): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42799&archive=0 Incredible read, better than television. Thank you. When you're bored, there's always Ford. Bayesian, Smeltington and Falstaft 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Wasn't this Zorro cue ghost-written by Conrad Pope? I remember reading something like that a long time ago. Edit: Ah, that's what I get for not reading the whole thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Jim Ware said: Falstaft beat me to it with the link to the fifteen year old thread, so here's a contemporaneous one from FSM (with classic Ford Thaxton): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42799&archive=0 I am 2 for 2 in missing old posts by not searching well enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I believe the comments from Neil S. Bulk on the FSM thread; the question is, who is 'harryfrishberg'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I've never thought of any similarity between THE MASK OF ZORRO and THE FORCE AWAKENS. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Jim Ware said: I believe the comments from Neil S. Bulk on the FSM thread; the question is, who is 'harryfrishberg'? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/profile/1328-harryfrishberg/ harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post harryfrishberg 37 Posted June 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Jim Ware said: I believe the comments from Neil S. Bulk on the FSM thread; the question is, who is 'harryfrishberg'? Hi! Falstaft, Jim Ware, Jay and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Is “Did Conrad Pope write “The Train?” the sequel to “Did William Ross write COS?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Well we all know the answer to THAT! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Actually back in 2005 I thought it sounded a bit like Battle of the Heroes in places. At least the last 3 minutes or so. Karol MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 11:36 PM, Muad'Dib said: Wasn't this Zorro cue ghost-written by Conrad Pope? The first part is Horner (certainly the first 4-5 minutes), the last 3-5 minutes *might* be a case of ghostwriting, which *might* explain the Battle of the Heroes licks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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