Popular Post enderdrag64 749 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 Decided to start a thread to list all of these since I've started documenting them. There are a surprising number of these available to the public. From ANH, everyone knows about takes 16-20 of 1m2 Star Wars on the 1997 set, and the alternate takes throughout the 1993 album are pretty well known as well (though not necessarily documented). But I was surprised to find that the 1997 and 2018 albums actually have alternate takes too! Here's a few that I've found already: 1M3 The War has an alternate take on the 1993 set from 2:15-2:58, the 1997/2018 sets have the correct one. 2M3 The Little People has an alternate take in a couple spots. The 1993 and 1997 sets both have the wrong take from 3:12-3:16, where the 2018 has the right one. However, the 1993 and 2018 sets have the wrong take for the ending Imperial statement, where the 1997 set has the correct one. 2M5 More Little People has an alternate mix for 1:25-end on the 1993 and 1997 sets, where the 2018 has the correct mix. I thought this was a different take originally but @Manakin Skywalker noticed that the 1997 and 2018 versions do indeed phase, so it must be a different mix and not a different take. I'll keep updating this thread as I find more. Feel free to include ones from other Star Wars scores, they don't have to just be ANH Cameron007, Manakin Skywalker, Andy and 7 others 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,918 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Do the 1993 / 2018 sets match the original 1977 LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 23 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Do the 1993 / 2018 sets match the original 1977 LP? I didn't include the 1977 set in my comparisons since the entire set is a completely different mix from the ground up, so it neither looks nor sounds like the film or any other set. That said the 1977 and 2018 have identical programs. The 1993's program is loosely based on the 1977 set but with some microedits restored and with a more chronological order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 621 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 One thing I noticed is the "Detention Block Ambush" portion of the "The Last Battle", from about 1:00 to the end of it (when Han tries to stall the troopers from the radio, and Lukes rushes to the Princess' cell to rescue her and delivers the memorable line "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!), a different take was used on the '77 album that is not present on the '93 Anthology nor the '97 SE. According to the booklet, takes 150 to 154 were recorded, and takes 153 and 154 were selected (which I assume are the takes used to create both the film mix and the 97 SE as well). The curious thing is that the 2018 dismaster did not replicate that unique take of the '77 album, so it remains exclusive to the album (and the 2016 re-release of it). enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,918 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 25 minutes ago, phbart said: One thing I noticed is the "Detention Block Ambush" portion of the "The Last Battle", from about 1:00 to the end of it (when Han tries to stall the troopers from the radio, and Lukes rushes to the Princess' cell to rescue her and delivers the memorable line "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!), a different take was used on the '77 album that is not present on the '93 Anthology nor the '97 SE. According to the booklet, takes 150 to 154 were recorded, and takes 153 and 154 were selected (which I assume are the takes used to create both the film mix and the 97 SE as well). The curious thing is that the 2018 dismaster did not replicate that unique take of the '77 album, so it remains exclusive to the album (and the 2016 re-release of it). Is it at least the same on the 198x CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 621 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 25 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Is it at least the same on the 198x CD? Oh yes, I forgot to mention the 1980s CD release... it's the same. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,918 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 34 minutes ago, phbart said: Oh yes, I forgot to mention the 1980s CD release... it's the same. I know it's got the little "whine" at the beginning of The Princess Appears. I miss that! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,526 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Either they screwed up the mix or used the wrong take at 1:03 here, when they demastered AOTC. Compare the horns/percussion: 2002 OST: 2018 Demaster: enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,884 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 The mix is all over the place in the new "Remasters". Some of the tracks are hard to listen to. Thank god I have rips of all my old CDs still. Trope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,526 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 This probably counts as an alternate mix but there's all kinds of bizarre differences between OST and Demaster version of Augie's Great Municipal Band: OST: Demaster: enderdrag64 and Trope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, crumbs said: This probably counts as an alternate mix but there's all kinds of bizarre differences between OST and Demaster version of Augie's Great Municipal Band: OST: Demaster: Wow yeah I'd never actually listened to the 2018 version of this. The OST mix is bad enough it's impressive how much worse they managed to make it I'm very glad for the film mix ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trope 637 Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 On the topic of The Phantom Menace 2018 Demaster, there are several incorrect takes that plague that release. Duel of the Fates is far and away (see what I did there) Williams' most popular track on Spotify, and the 2018 release includes a portion of a take which is different to the original 1999 OST at 2:55 (listen to the trumpet/s): This segment with the ascending trumpet as heard on the 2018 Demaster was actually used in the film, and hence appears on this track from the Ultimate Edition release at 0:18: BTW this is such a great thread and I'm learning new things already! Excited to uncover all these little details, and HOPEFULLY one day we will get definitive, complete releases for these incredible scores. Please, oh, please release them before the collapse of the Australian economy! That_Bloke, crumbs and ThePenitentMan1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,526 Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 Confusingly, I believe the film and Demaster actually present the cue as it was recorded. The OST tracked music from elsewhere in the cue (or possible another cue, I forget) to replace it. enderdrag64, Manakin Skywalker, ThePenitentMan1 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,918 Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 I feel so unnerdy reading this stuff. I just nod politely. "I'm sure they know what they're talking about." QuartalHarmony, That_Bloke and j39m 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 965 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I feel so unnerdy reading this stuff. I just nod politely. "I'm sure they know what they're talking about." Gaining the ability to discern incorrect takes, without having the ability to properly correct them from the source, isn't as fun as it sounds. If you can't tell them apart, then you're free to enjoy the score through whichever version of any given track you like the most. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 529 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 15 hours ago, crumbs said: Either they screwed up the mix or used the wrong take at 1:03 here, when they demastered AOTC. Compare the horns/percussion: 2002 OST: 2018 Demaster: This is the segue between 1m6 Zam's Dirty Trick and 1m7a Zam Chase Pt. 1 which is aligned slightly differently on the 2018. There aren't any horns playing it this point - just bones and tuba. crumbs and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 5,099 Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 10 hours ago, Trope said: On the topic of The Phantom Menace 2018 Demaster, there are several incorrect takes that plague that release. Duel of the Fates is far and away (see what I did there) Williams' most popular track on Spotify, and the 2018 release includes a portion of a take which is different to the original 1999 OST at 2:55 (listen to the trumpet/s): This segment with the ascending trumpet as heard on the 2018 Demaster was actually used in the film, and hence appears on this track from the Ultimate Edition release at 0:18: BTW this is such a great thread and I'm learning new things already! Excited to uncover all these little details, and HOPEFULLY one day we will get definitive, complete releases for these incredible scores. Please, oh, please release them before the collapse of the Australian economy! Just for clarification, that's the actual trumpet section that was meant to be there. The 1999 OST section is tracked from later in the cue, for some reason. EDIT: I see Crumbs already mentioned it. 👍 Trope, CGCJ, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 Some more alternate takes I found today: The entire film take of 3m1 The Princess Appears is completely unreleased; all 3 albums (the 1993/1997/2018) feature the same wrong take. 3m4-4m1 The Sandman Attacks has the wrong take for the opening on the 1997 set, specifically for the part that was previously unreleased and isn't on the other two albums. The parts that are released on all 3 are the same as the film take aj_vader and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enderdrag64 749 Posted May 16 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 16 On 08/04/2024 at 10:34 PM, enderdrag64 said: 3m4-4m1 The Sandman Attacks has the wrong take for the opening on the 1997 set, specifically for the part that was previously unreleased and isn't on the other two albums. The parts that are released on all 3 are the same as the film take Update on this: it's actually much more complicated than I originally described, all three sets are inaccurate to the film performance edit. The 1993 set has an incorrect take from 1:00-1:30 The 1997 set has incorrect takes from 0:00-0:19, 0:56-1:00, 1:19-1:30 The 2018 set has the correct takes everywhere, but transitions between them at the wrong point leading to a missing second at 0:59, this missing second can be recovered using the 1993 set Jay, crumbs, Brando and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 5m2 A Hive of Villainy has the wrong take for the first 44 seconds on the 1993 set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,918 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 hours ago, enderdrag64 said: 5m2 A Hive of Villainy has the wrong take for the first 44 seconds on the 1993 set Is it a different (correct?) take on the 97? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 4 hours ago, Tallguy said: Is it a different (correct?) take on the 97? The 1997 track is correct all the way through Tallguy and CGCJ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 749 Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 Not an alternate take but it appears that 9m1 The Walls Converge is the wrong speed/pitch on the 1997 set The entire track plays too fast, I had to change speed and pitch by a multiplier of 0.991 to get it to sync with the film and 2018 set The 1993 set is almost entirely made of alternate takes, except for 2:40-end which matches the other sets and the film Brando and CGCJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,817 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 24/05/2024 at 12:16 PM, enderdrag64 said: Not an alternate take but it appears that 9m1 The Walls Converge is the wrong speed/pitch on the 1997 set The entire track plays too fast, I had to change speed and pitch by a multiplier of 0.991 to get it to sync with the film and 2018 set The 1993 set is almost entirely made of alternate takes, except for 2:40-end which matches the other sets and the film I believe @Datameister mentioned that a few tracks from the SE's were like that. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron007 57 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Some of "Ben's Death" is an alternate take on the Anthology. There is a longer gap between the opening and the rebel fanfare ("Run, Luke, Run!"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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