#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 What's with all the Frenchy love this year at the Oscars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So WH didn't win a single Oscar??Just as I predicted: a repeat of the Empire of the Sun fiasco!But who the hell cares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.Even a stopped clock is right tw. . . ah never mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfan 128 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Do we have the actual vote count to see if War Horse + Tintin had more combined votes than the Artist? As I recall this was the case in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Do we have the actual vote count to see if War Horse + Tintin had more combined votes than the Artist? As I recall this was the case in 2005.2005?Williams was nominated only for PoA, wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Azkaban was 2004 Josh. Munich and MotG were 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, right!I was thinking of the year the Academy Award is held... which is of course always in February of the following year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 War Horse deserved a nomination for Best Director. Not a win, but a nomination.In fact, Spielberg should have a nomination for Best Director in everything he does. The films might be good or bad, but the direction is always brilliant and creative.Oh, and I laughed big time when Billy Crystal improvised what Scorcese was thinking; and even Marty participated a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Congrats on Bernard Herrmann for his second oscar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Congrats on Bernard Herrmann for his second oscar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Do we have the actual vote count to see if War Horse + Tintin had more combined votes than the Artist? As I recall this was the case in 2005.Wait, the votes were actually released? I always thought that was just speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,504 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I've never heard of the actual vote counts being released before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Funniest moment: Christopher Guest's troupe as test audience for Wizard of Oz.Most uncomfortable moment: The painfully unfunny "documentary-style" bit with Robert Downey Jr.Moment when I actually punched the air: Christopher Plummer finally getting an Oscar.Moment when I turned off and went to bed: After the music awards were announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,338 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 And The Artist won best picture too. Well I suppose I should see it now. I cant imagine I'll end up thinking its a better film than Hugo, Dragon Tattoo, or Midnight in ParisYou probably won't if you go into it like that. It's a lovely movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,504 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'll go in to it with an open mind.None of the clips I saw during the ceremony last night made me excited for it, and I've never seen a trailer or anythingRegardless, I won't go in expecting to hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 In fact, Spielberg should have a nomination for Best Director in everything he does. The films might be good or bad, but the direction is always brilliant and creative.That makes no sense. That's like saying your company's employees are terrible, but the managers are all doing a fantastic job. It's not their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,504 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 War Horse wasnt snubbed if you ask me, it wasnt that great of a film.Only the score and cinematography were really exceptional. I do think the score deserved to win but after finally seeing Hugo last night I cannot argue with it winning for cinematography. War Horse's cinematography was excellent but Hugo's was really, really, REALLY excellent. The entire film was a joy to watch from the first frame to the last.You obviously haven't seen The Tree Of Life.I haven't seen The Tree Of Life yet, but I definitely want to. I'm only speaking of the films I *have* seen, and out of the two I mentioned, I preferred Hugo's cinematography to War Horse's. But both were very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So WH didn't win a single Oscar??Just as I predicted: a repeat of the Empire of the Sun fiasco!But who the hell cares! Only that EMPIRE OF THE SUN is a sublime masterpiece compared to WAR HORSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 That makes no sense. That's like saying your company's employees are terrible, but the managers are all doing a fantastic job. It's not their fault.It makes perfect sense. A movie might be bad but it could still very well directed... Or a bad animated movie that still has great animation. It's the same.I didn't say it was anybody's fault, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 JW's loss was not unexpected, but still disappointing.War Horse is one of the most beautiful scores I've heard in years. I can't say anything against the Artist, since I haven't seen it or heard the score, but JW definitely earned his nominations this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 325 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I personally am not disappointed with the Oscar winner for Best Score.The thing is, we all know how great Williams' music is, but there really is nothing in either War Horse or Tintin that is all that new or innovative.They are Williams on great, standard form as far as I can tell. Of course, that is fantastic, and a high bar for any composer to reach.But The Artist would die completely without the score it had. It's a silent movie, and the score was so much a part of what made it what it was, in a way no other score this year could possibly claim.As great as Williams is, The Artist was something quite special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.That Oscar belonged to Gary Oldman....As many have said, Williams loss was expected but still disappointing. But Bource's score was great and I admire the class that Bource displayed. Personally thanking and shaking the hands of his fellow nominees, his humility was touching. I respect Bource and would be very happy with his win if he hadn't stolen it from the maestro...But still, I'm happy for Bource. Congratulations.I think the big events at the Oscars tonight was the fact that Plummer won his first Oscar and Streep won her first one in 30 years (no more tiring comedic jabs at her lack of wins). Other than that, everything was terribly predictable, but still a fun watch (as always for me). It was certainly not as dull as last year, although Billy Crystal seemed quite restrained this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,688 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 While I tend to agree that War Horse and Tintin are not all that original in William's canon, either (particularly Warhorse) was as deserving an Oscar as any other because non of their antecedents won an Oscar either. It seems disingenious to say Warhorse is undeserving since it sounds a bit like Far and Away, given the the latter did not win either. War Horse does not sound all that much like Williams's other Oscar wins and neither does Tintin, though maybe ET is a distant relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 @OneBuckFilmsI don't doubt that what you're saying is true, but to use a sports analogy, even though you may acknowledge that the other team deserves it more, you're still disappointed when your team loses the Super Bowl or the World Cup or whatever.As a JW fan, I feel like John Williams is my "team" and I will always root for him to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 War Horse wasnt snubbed if you ask me, it wasnt that great of a film.Only the score and cinematography were really exceptional. I do think the score deserved to win but after finally seeing Hugo last night I cannot argue with it winning for cinematography. War Horse's cinematography was excellent but Hugo's was really, really, REALLY excellent. The entire film was a joy to watch from the first frame to the last.You obviously haven't seen The Tree Of Life.I haven't seen The Tree Of Life yet, but I definitely want to. I'm only speaking of the films I *have* seen, and out of the two I mentioned, I preferred Hugo's cinematography to War Horse's. But both were very good.You DO NOT want to see "The Tree of Life." Trust me. You have been warned. If you thought a movie like "Mullholland Drive" was disjointed and "out there," this one will be a true head-scratcher, especially when you get to the 30-minute mark. The cinematography was nice, but I wasn't sure why half the shots on screen were being shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,504 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I *LOVE* Mulholland Dr. The best movie of 2001! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.That Oscar belonged to Gary Oldman....If Dujardin didn't win, it would have been Clowney winning. I wouldn't have mind Oldman winning, but it was a Jean Vs George duel from the very beginning, and I'm glad Dujardin was the one taking the Oscar.Fair enough. I thought Clooney was going to take it home this year, but I would prefer Dujardin over Clooney though. But the fact is Oldman deserved that award!War Horse wasnt snubbed if you ask me, it wasnt that great of a film.Only the score and cinematography were really exceptional. I do think the score deserved to win but after finally seeing Hugo last night I cannot argue with it winning for cinematography. War Horse's cinematography was excellent but Hugo's was really, really, REALLY excellent. The entire film was a joy to watch from the first frame to the last.You obviously haven't seen The Tree Of Life.I haven't seen The Tree Of Life yet, but I definitely want to. I'm only speaking of the films I *have* seen, and out of the two I mentioned, I preferred Hugo's cinematography to War Horse's. But both were very good.You DO NOT want to see "The Tree of Life." Trust me. You have been warned. If you thought a movie like "Mullholland Drive" was disjointed and "out there," this one will be a true head-scratcher, especially when you get to the 30-minute mark. The cinematography was nice, but I wasn't sure why half the shots on screen were being shown.Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do. Its not a perfect film, but a great piece of work if you ask me. In the end, its basically the 2001: A Space Odyssey of this generation, except it does a far better job than its incomprehensible predecessor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do. What was Malick trying to do? You might be the first one to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Show the struggle between nature and grace on a human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I found Tree of Life more engaging than Moneyball. What a bore that was. Mostly do to the fact that I don't like Baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Show the struggle between nature and grace on a human being.Nope. Nature/grace were a symbiotic force, the technocratic man and his actions were the other force, even i figured that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 How can an interpretation be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Poor recording but until a better one shows up, I'll just post this in here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UZIz76tj8M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do. Its not a perfect film, but a great piece of work if you ask me. In the end, its basically the 2001: A Space Odyssey of this generation, except it does a far better job than its incomprehensible predecessor...Well I understand people unfamiliar with Kardashev III type civilizations and extropianism and singulitarianism might have a case of future shock with the film. In any case, The Tree of Life is an inferior film to 2001, and it's actually more vague, uncomprehensible and close minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Here's what I think: neither Tintin nor War Horse were 'Oscar worthy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,807 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 they said he had no musical training in the ceremony???? as if it was something to be proud of?OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 yeah my jaw dropped when they said that .Exactly at the time the passed by WilliamsJW must have cringed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Here's what I think: neither Tintin nor War Horse were 'Oscar worthy'.As I see it something that's better than everything else of its year is Oscar worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 none of the winners in the past 10 years were Oscar worthy scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Howard Shore's score for LotR: RotK was definitely Oscar-worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 JW was robbed again! And its just as bad and wrong as losing to Zimmer or Santaolalalala..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Im glad i did not stay up for this shambles.Its a fucking disgrace, and anyone who thinks otherwise should ask for their membership and posts to bd decimated from this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 they said he had no musical training in the ceremony???? as if it was something to be proud of?OMGyeah my jaw dropped when they said that .Exactly at the time the passed by WilliamsJW must have cringed tooJesus Christ, do you couple of mongolian inverts even realise that some of western popular culture's most celebrated musical artists are "untrained"?Whether JW cringed or not should be the least of your worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Funniest moment: Christopher Guest's troupe as test audience for Wizard of Oz.I thought this was one of the least funny moments.Most uncomfortable moment: The painfully unfunny "documentary-style" bit with Robert Downey Jr.I thought that would've been better if the audience had laughed more. There were a few places where I wanted to laugh, but the dead silence after the punchline was so shocking that I didn't.For me the funniest part was when Billy Crystal said "Eh..." after the giant book of music came up with that super dramatic music. Crystal seemed to get funnier as the night went on up until the Best Score, then he started getting less and less funny as the night finished.no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho.I wonder how heavily he relied on orchestrators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 The best ones usually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 The best ones usually are.Well, all of them usually are, so I don't think that's a fair statement. Williams and Shore barely use orchestrators, and their stuff is usually great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Funniest moment: Christopher Guest's troupe as test audience for Wizard of Oz.I thought this was one of the least funny moments.Most uncomfortable moment: The painfully unfunny "documentary-style" bit with Robert Downey Jr.I thought that would've been better if the audience had laughed more. There were a few places where I wanted to laugh, but the dead silence after the punchline was so shocking that I didn't.For me the funniest part was when Billy Crystal said "Eh..." after the giant book of music came up with that super dramatic music. Crystal seemed to get funnier as the night went on up until the Best Score, then he started getting less and less funny as the night finished.no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho.I wonder how heavily he relied on orchestrators?Probably a lot. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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